In December the running game dominates

[T-RO]

I would like to hear one of you run-lovers talk about THIS!!!!


QB Rating is the #1 all-telling stat in football. If you can throw YOU DOMINATE

Current QB Ratings statistically
1 Drew Brees #1 (Team: 13-1)
2 Brett Favre #2 (Team: 11-2)
3 Phillip Rivers #3 (Team: 11-3)
4 Aaron Rodgers #4 (Team: 9-5)
5 Peyton Manning #5 (Team: 14-0)
Top 5 quarterbacks cumulative team record: 58-11

If you can run the ball----so what. It's largely irrelevant.
Current RB Yardage Leaders
1 Chris Johnson (Team: 7-7)
2 Stephen Jackson (Team: 1-13)
3 Maurice Jones-Drew (Team: 7-7)
4 Thomas Jones (Team: 7-7)
5 Adrian Peterson (11-2)
Top 5 running backs cumulative team record: 33-36

Slam the door. Debate over.

 

[tyke1doe]

QB Rating is the #1 all-telling stat in football. If you can throw YOU DOMINATE

Current QB Ratings statistically
1 Drew Brees #1 (Team: 13-1)
2 Brett Favre #2 (Team: 11-2)
3 Phillip Rivers #3 (Team: 11-3)
4 Aaron Rodgers #4 (Team: 9-5)
5 Peyton Manning #5 (Team: 14-0)
Top 5 quarterbacks cumulative team record: 58-11

If you can run the ball----so what. It's largely irrelevant.
Current RB Yardage Leaders
1 Chris Johnson (Team: 7-7)
2 Stephen Jackson (Team: 1-13)
3 Maurice Jones-Drew (Team: 7-7)
4 Thomas Jones (Team: 7-7)
5 Adrian Peterson (11-2)
Top 5 running backs cumulative team record: 33-36

Slam the door. Debate over.

Problem with your argument (among other problems I really don't feel like addressing) is that the season isn't over.

Let's wait until the playoffs and the Super Bowl before we start crowing.

I'm betting that the team that has the more balanced attack - a strong running game and moderate/good passing game- will do better down the stretch.

 

[T-RO]

Let's wait until the playoffs and the Super Bowl before we start crowing.

A month ago the argument was "Just wait for December" Now I hear "wait til January"

You dinos have run out of arguments and all you can say is "mãnãnã".

Clinging to yesterday you still hope tomorrow will bring validation to your arguments. It's over. You've lost.

The passing game is the beginning, the substance and the ultimate determination of NFL success. All drafting and personnel decisions and game strategy should be built accordingly.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

You win with a balanced attack... Why do you think Dallas beat so many teams in the 90's??

 

[ZeroClub]

I am calling out some of the silliness of the dinosoar-run-loving posters on this forum who assured me that "come December it will be running that wins football games"

Evidentally you've never been with a paradactyl. Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Once you go Dac, you'll never go back.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I would like to hear one of you run-lovers talk about THIS!!!!


QB Rating is the #1 all-telling stat in football. If you can throw YOU DOMINATE

Current QB Ratings statistically
1 Drew Brees #1 (Team: 13-1)
2 Brett Favre #2 (Team: 11-2)
3 Phillip Rivers #3 (Team: 11-3)
4 Aaron Rodgers #4 (Team: 9-5)
5 Peyton Manning #5 (Team: 14-0)
Top 5 quarterbacks cumulative team record: 58-11

If you can run the ball----so what. It's largely irrelevant.
Current RB Yardage Leaders
1 Chris Johnson (Team: 7-7)
2 Stephen Jackson (Team: 1-13)
3 Maurice Jones-Drew (Team: 7-7)
4 Thomas Jones (Team: 7-7)
5 Adrian Peterson (11-2)
Top 5 running backs cumulative team record: 33-36

Slam the door. Debate over.

In the modern NFL, the ideal pass/run ratio is approximately 55/45.

However, the above stats aren't particularly useful in making your point. Passer rating measures a quarterback's overall efficiency, not merely total his passing attempts and passing yards. Generally, the winning team is the one that passes most efficiently, not necessarily for the most yards.

 

[T-RO]

You win with a balanced attack... Why do you think Dallas beat so many teams in the 90's??

The 90's are so.....90's

And Troy Aikman will tell you EXACTLY that message. It's all on the quarterback, receivers, pass rushers and dbs now.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You have to run successfully to win for the most part but we win not because we run well but when Romo plays well.

 

[T-RO]

In the modern NFL, the ideal pass/run ratio is approximately 55/45.

However, the above stats aren't particularly useful in making your point. Passer rating measures a quarterback's overall efficiency, not merely total his passing attempts and passing yards. Generally, the winning team is the one that passes most efficiently, not necessarily for the most yards.

Every single year ratio is moving towards more passing.

I checked your notion (about passing efficiency versus passing yards volume)

The numbers don't back you up. In fact they totally contradict you.

Top 12 in passing yardage:
Manning (playoffs)
Schaub (7-7)
Brees (playoffs)
Rodgers (playoffs)
Brady (playoffs)
Rivers (playoffs)
Romo (playoffs?)
Roethlesberger (defending champs)
Warner (playoffs)
Flacco (playoffs?)
Favre (playoffs)
Manning (playoffs?)

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Every single year ratio is moving towards more passing.

I checked your notion (about passing efficiency versus passing yards volume)

The numbers don't back you up. In fact they totally contradict you.

Actually, the numbers completely support my assertion:

Top 12 Teams in Passing Efficiency
1) Saints
2) Vikings
3) Chargers
4) Packers
5) Colts
6) Steelers
7) Cowboys
8) Texans
9) Patriots
10) Giants
11) Eagles
12) Cardinals

Four of the top five leaders in passing efficiency are currently either the number 1 or 2 playoff seed in their conference.

Every team listed above except one is a serious playoff contender, and most will probably make the playoffs.

 

[T-RO]

No you failed. You were trying to make some distinction between volume passing and efficient passing. Such a distinction in fact doesn't exist because you can't name even one "volume passing" team that doesn't also have a winning record.

Again I repeat. Not One----NOT ONE. Not a single volume yardage passing team among the top 12 has a losing record....

So when you can name ONE team that is pass heavy that isn't also successful - get back to me.

 

[T-RO]

Now we both know in sheer number of attempts you are going to find a handful of teams that are always 3 touchdowns behind and so are passing not as a philosophy but out of desperation.

 

[T-RO]

Teams no longer must have superior running games to win it all.

The Colts are currently 30th in running, yet undefeated.
The Chargers (maybe the second best team in the league) are 31st.
The Patriots are 24th in rushing.
Playoff bound Cinci is 20th in rushing
Minnesota is 20th (which makes Deion's comment about Peterson stirring the drink not Favre pretty laughable)

Good running is nice---but optional to a Super Bowl run. But you must have a defense and a quarterback.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

No you failed. You were trying to make some distinction between volume passing and efficient passing. Such a distinction in fact doesn't exist because you can't even one "volume passing" team that doesn't also have a winning record.

Again I repeat. Not One----NOT ONE. Not a single volume passing team among the top 12 has a losing record....

Actually, I succeeded brilliantly.

Let's compare the top 10 teams in passing efficiency with the top 10 teams in passing yards:

Top 10 Teams in Passing Efficiency
1) Saints 13-1
2) Vikings 11-3
3) Chargers 11-3
4) Packers 9-5
5) Colts 14-0
6) Steelers 7-7
7) Cowboys 9-5
8) Texans 7-7
9) Patriots 9-5
10) Giants 7-6


Top 10 Teams in Passing Yards
1) Colts 14-0
2) Texans 7-7
3) Saints 13-1
4) Patriots 9-5
5) Chargers 11-3
6) Steelers 7-7
7) Cowboys 9-5
8) Packers 9-5
9) Eagles 10-4
10) Cardinals 9-5

As you can see, the passing efficiency ratings are far more indicative of the current power structure in NFL. In the passing efficiency ratings, the top 4 NFL teams (Colts, Saints, Chargers, and Vikings) are all ranked in the top 5. Meanwhile, in the passing yard ranking, the 7-7 Texas are ranked number 2, and the Vikings aren't even included.

 

[kramskoi]

Wrong. Dallas does by far it's most damage via draw plays---those are the opposite of play action. You are using the PASS to set up the Run.

Passing dominates the NFL-NOW game. Dinosaurs just can't keep up with the facts.

...why the argumentative tone?:...Dallas had 145 yards rushing saturday night...if you think that did'nt have a lot to do with their success then you're dreaming my friend...

...spend some time on pro-reference football...and note particularly the rushing results for winning teams in the Superbowl over its entire history...i'll give you the 2000 Rams but every other winner had substantial contributions from the running game en route to victory...you can play one-dimensional against inferior teams and get away with it but not in the playoffs...and not in the Superbowl...the 2000 Rams notwithstanding......merry x-mas to you...

 

[DallasEast]

Teams no longer must have superior running games to win it all.

Zero teams have won Super Bowl XLIV.

Here is the ratio of total pass/run attempts through Week 15:

http://i356.***BLOCKED***/albums/oo4/DallasEast1701/PASSRUNRATIO_THRU14GAMES.png

 

[tyke1doe]

A month ago the argument was "Just wait for December" Now I hear "wait til January"

You dinos have run out of arguments and all you can say is "mãnãnã".

Clinging to yesterday you still hope tomorrow will bring validation to your arguments. It's over. You've lost.

The passing game is the beginning, the substance and the ultimate determination of NFL success. All drafting and personnel decisions and game strategy should be built accordingly.

You're arguing a straw man. I never said that.

Besides, the season doesn't end in December. Well, for some teams it doesn't.

The goal is to have success down the stretch. December starts that stretch.

Most teams that advance to the Super Bowl are balanced teams offensively. Oh, you may have a team here or there that gets to the Super Bowl simply by passing, but the better balanced team running and passing generally always wins the Super Bowl compare to a strictly passing team.

Besides that, your argument is terribly flawed, as has been pointed out already.

 

[tyke1doe]

...why the argumentative tone?:...Dallas had 145 yards rushing saturday night...if you think that did'nt have a lot to do with their success then you're dreaming my friend...

...spend some time on pro-reference football...and note particularly the rushing results for winning teams in the Superbowl over its entire history...i'll give you the 2000 Rams but every other winner had substantial contributions from the running game en route to victory...you can play one-dimensional against inferior teams and get away with it but not in the playoffs...and not in the Superbowl...the 2000 Rams notwithstanding......merry x-mas to you...

Exactly.

A lot of teams build their records and passing efficiency on sub-par teams. But it's a different story when you reach the playoffs and beyond.

People aren't just pulling this argument from their behinds. Teams with a balanced rushing attack generally wins over a team reliant heavily on the passing game.

 

[Doomsday101]

Exactly.

A lot of teams build their records and passing efficiency on sub-par teams. But it's a different story when you reach the playoffs and beyond.

People aren't just pulling this argument from their behinds. Teams with a balanced rushing attack generally wins over a team reliant heavily on the passing game.

I agree because at some point in time during the playoffs a team better be able to get production from their running game

Funny thing is T-RO uses the Cards as an example yet when you look at their post season run last year Warner did not have 1 single 300 yard game however their running attack started producing

In the WC game James had 73 yards on 16 carries with Hightower getting 23 on 6 carries

Division round Hightower had 76 yards on 17 carries and James 57 yards on 20 carries

NFC Championship game James 73 yards on 16 carries and Hightower 33 on 11 carries.

Cards ability to get a running game going during the post season played a big role in them reaching the SB

 

[khiladi]

I agree because at some point in time during the playoffs a team better be able to get production from their running game

Funny thing is T-RO uses the Cards as an example yet when you look at their post season run last year Warner did not have 1 single 300 yard game however their running attack started producing

In the WC game James had 73 yards on 16 carries with Hightower getting 23 on 6 carries

Division round Hightower had 76 yards on 17 carries and James 57 yards on 20 carries

NFC Championship game James 73 yards on 16 carries and Hightower 33 on 11 carries.


Cards ability to get a running game going during the post season played a big role in them reaching the SB

This is actually a really good point, because the Cardinals offense had actually stale-mated going into the play-offs. They were limping and one of the things they did in the play-offs was make a systematic effort to actually runt he ball, which led to their play-off success.