In December the running game dominates

[T-RO]

DallasEast,

Thanks for the chart. You have to separate the teams that throw a lot by philosophical design and those that throw because they are down by three touchdowns after the first quarter.

It's a very, very big difference.

 

[T-RO]

Funny thing is T-RO uses the Cards as an example yet when you look at their post season run last year Warner did not have 1 single 300 yard game however their running attack started producing

Huh?

Super Bowl:

K. Warner 31/43 377



And the Steelers won it with even a more anemic runing performance: 25 carries: 58 yards

Yards per rush: 2.8

 

[Doomsday101]

Huh?

Super Bowl:

K. Warner 31/43 377



And the Steelers won it with even a more anemic runing performance: 25 carries: 58 yards

Yards per rush: 2.8

I did not say the SB I said throughout the post season and listed the games WC, Divisional and NFC Championship game. Cards were able to run the ball and it helped them out quite a bit. You end up 1 dimensional and you will get beat. Colts have one of the best passers in the NFL he has 1 ring, it takes more than just throwing the ball it takes balance if you want to be a great team. If you can't understand that then sorry. As much as you would like to think today football is just so much different it isn't, complete teams win more than 1 dimensional team and it has always been that way and still is today.

 

[T-RO]

As much as you would like to think today football is just so much different it isn't, complete teams win more than 1 dimensional team and it has always been that way and still is today.

The Colts and Chargers are completely one dimensional this season (no running game) yet they are the best in the AFC.

The numbers starkly, flatly and utterly contradict you. All the passing numbers are up dramatically from Troy's era: attempts, completions, touchdowns.

And you aren't just disagreeing with me. You are disagreeing with Troy Aikman and almost all the offensive coordinators in the game today.

The league is pass-first.....with the running game a distant second.

 

[Bleu Star]

In December the running game dominates----not!

I am calling out some of the silliness of the dinosoar-run-loving posters on this forum who assured me that "come December it will be running that wins football games"

300+ passing is the norm for the winners in the NOW-NFL.

Today:
Pittsburg 472 of 537 yards through the air. Big Ben 29/4 503 yrds 3TD 0 INT
Green Bay 383 of 436 yards through the air. Rogers 26/48 383 yards 3TD 0 INT
Philly 306 of 422 yards through the air. McNabb 21/36 306 yards
Colts 308 of 369 yards through the air. Manning 23/30 308 4 TDs 1 INT
Cinci 293 of 407 yards through the air. Palmer 27/40 314 yards
Chargers 296 of 366 yards through air. Rivers 24/38 308
Balt 222 of 346 through air. Flacco 21/29 234
Houston 367of 419 yards through air; Schaub 28/40 367
Cowboys 294 of 439 yards through the air; Romo 22/34 312
Titans 236 of 364 yards through the air; Young 14/27 236 3tds
Dolphins 347 of 468 yards through the air; Henne 29/46 349

The teams that were run heavy or were feeble with passing games generally lost--or are already hopeless irrelevant:
Raiders, Tampa Bay, Jets, Rams, Buff, etc.

Wow..... Yet another slanted stat line to attempt to make a failed argument. The run has often setup the pass in most of those situations. I don't need stats to prove that point. I've seen it with my own eyes thanks to the RZC.

 

[bayeslife]

Point is when facing top quality teams in post season there are times you need to be able to run the ball and the inability to run when they have to has hurt Philly in the post season which is why despite the playoff appearances they have yet to win the SB and only made it once. I do agree passing is important but teams who can show some balance in running and passing become harder to defend

I think you're overthinking this.

The Eagles suck because of Donovan McNabb and he has choked away all those opportunities. It was nothing to do with the running game.

 

[AdamJT13]

Those are some fancy stats...but how exactly did the Cleveland Browns win against the Pittsburg Steelers last Thursday?

As is usually the case in the NFL, they Browns won by having a more effective passing game than the Steelers did.

Browns: 4.2 yards per pass
Steelers: 3.5 yards per pass

 

[T-RO]

The words of Bill Cowher:


"The game has changed, the rules have changed," he said. "I think right now, I hate to say this, but the running game is a complement. It's not the foundation that it once was. You look at the last three AFC teams that were in the Super Bowl, that's Pittsburgh, New England and Indianapolis. They're all passing teams. The running game is a complement."


http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/scott-toole/index.ssf/2009/10/post.html

 

[T-RO]

Cowher, Dungee and Bilichick are all big-time devotees of pass-first offense.

And no one has won as much lately.

 

[Bleu Star]

The words of Bill Cowher:


"The game has changed, the rules have changed," he said. "I think right now, I hate to say this, but the running game is a complement. It's not the foundation that it once was. You look at the last three AFC teams that were in the Super Bowl, that's Pittsburgh, New England and Indianapolis. They're all passing teams. The running game is a complement."


http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/scott-toole/index.ssf/2009/10/post.html

Yes. It compliments the pass by setting up the play action and often making the safeties play honest. :laugh2: IOW the run sets up the pass.

 

[T-RO]

Bleu Star You are twisting Cowhers words and you know it.

The passing game is now central, foundational. The running game keeps defenses off-balance and complements the core of the offense, which is passing.

Troy says the same. Dungee says the same. Bilichick says the same. Today's offensive coordinators buy it completely unless they are in the sorry situation of not having a decent quarterback.

 

[T-RO]

And the Eagles have been a pass-first team throughout the decade.

No one in the NFC has won as many games.