Indianapolis Colts...cheaters?

[Cochese]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/Moss_Catch_Audio.mp3

Listen to that. It sounds like the CD is skipping on the noise generator 3000 machine

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=300221

4. Milli Vanilli moment in Indy?
In the past, teams that have visited the RCA Dome have questioned whether the Colts pipe in artificial crowd noise in an effort to disrupt the road team's offense. Though the Colts have denied any such chicanery (thanks, Tiki), the suspicions remain.
And the suspicions will only grow stronger after Sunday's game against the Patriots. During the first play of the fourth quarter, the noise from the crowd contained a strange effect. It almost sounded like my kid was working the "Whammy Bar" while playing Guitar Hero.
We don't know whether that noise could be heard in the stadium, but it was obvious on the television broadcast. And it invites speculation as to whether the Colts are indeed piping in phony music -- and whether there was a malfunction of some sort on Sunday that offered proof of it.



Lets see some outrage....

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yeah, evidently the radio broadcasters heard the same thing and commented on it. Sounds like a CD skipping.

When spygate went down, Norm interviewed Jerry if the competition committee had put a lot of emphasis on play stealing, and Jerry said it wasn't a big deal. He had three different coaches tell him that teams in the 90's figured out our playcalls and differentiate our running calls from our passing calls, and could almost tell which side we were running to, and they still couldn't stop it. It all comes down to who has the talent and who can execute the best. However, he said the competition has had numerous complaints about piped in crowd noise, and they are going to start looking at that, because it's a very unfair advantage when a team can't even run their offense because of artificial sound noise. I expect it to become an issue in the offseason.

 

[joseephuss]

I have heard these accusations of the Colts piping in noise the last two seasons, so I am not surprised to hear it again.

 

[khiladi]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/Moss_Catch_Audio.mp3

Listen to that. It sounds like the CD is skipping on the noise generator 3000 machine

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=300221

4. Milli Vanilli moment in Indy?
In the past, teams that have visited the RCA Dome have questioned whether the Colts pipe in artificial crowd noise in an effort to disrupt the road team's offense. Though the Colts have denied any such chicanery (thanks, Tiki), the suspicions remain.
And the suspicions will only grow stronger after Sunday's game against the Patriots. During the first play of the fourth quarter, the noise from the crowd contained a strange effect. It almost sounded like my kid was working the "Whammy Bar" while playing Guitar Hero.
We don't know whether that noise could be heard in the stadium, but it was obvious on the television broadcast. And it invites speculation as to whether the Colts are indeed piping in phony music -- and whether there was a malfunction of some sort on Sunday that offered proof of it.

Lets see some outrage....

So what your saying saying is that it is all speculation..

Let us assume this is correct:

How does one team cheating justify another team cheating? And where is it written in the rules that one cannot play a cd, even if they did? And what does that have to do with knowing what the team is going to call, because one is stealing signals?

And how is generating noise related to stealing a teams signals? You do realize that certain stadiums, the noise factor is a major factor in giving a team an advantage, and noise oftne disrupts a team's play-calling.

Ahhh.. the Patriot fan... trying to find every justification for their cheating, despite the analogies being totally off-the-wall...

 

[Cochese]

So what your saying saying is that it is all speculation..

Let us assume this is correct:

How does one team cheating justify another team cheating? And where is it written in the rules that one cannot play a cd, even if they did? And what does that have to do with knowing what the team is going to call, because one is stealing signals?

And how is generating noise related to stealing a teams signals? You do realize that certain stadiums, the noise factor is a major factor in giving a team an advantage, and noise oftne disrupts a team's play-calling.

Ahhh.. the Patriot fan... trying to find every justification for their cheating, despite the analogies being totally off-the-wall...

Its not speculation, you can listen to it yourself on the link I posted. So purposely piping in artificial crowd noise to gain a competitive advantage is a-ok with you? I diddnt even say anything about stealing signals....

 

[khiladi]

Yeah, evidently the radio broadcasters heard the same thing and commented on it. Sounds like a CD skipping.

When spygate went down, Norm interviewed Jerry if the competition committee had put a lot of emphasis on play stealing, and Jerry said it wasn't a big deal. He had three different coaches tell him that teams in the 90's figured out our playcalls and differentiate our running calls from our passing calls, and could almost tell which side we were running to, and they still couldn't stop it. It all comes down to who has the talent and who can execute the best. However, he said the competition has had numerous complaints about piped in crowd noise, and they are going to start looking at that, because it's a very unfair advantage when a team can't even run their offense because of artificial sound noise. I expect it to become an issue in the offseason.

You mean it isn't illegal, like taping a team's signals...

And your saying knowing the plays had no effect, but piping noise does, because the players don't know the plays? what happened to execution... strange the logic...

 

[khiladi]

Its not speculation, you can listen to it yourself on the link I posted. So purposely piping in artificial crowd noise to gain a competitive advantage is a-ok with you? I diddnt even say anything about stealing signals....

We know your intent, and one more time for you... even if they did, IT IS NOT ILLEGAL, unlike what Bellichek was doing...

Your trying to find an excuse for the cheating the Patriots did... but it does absolutely nothing for you, other than proving you make basless analogies.. Bellichek is a cheater..

 

[Cochese]

You mean it isn't illegal, like taping a team's signals...

And your saying knowing the plays had no effect, but piping noise does, because the players don't know the plays? what happened to execution... strange the logic...

Please, take the Patriots talk to one of the million whinefest threads that exist around here, this isn't about them.

 

[thekavorka]

I thought all the different noises come from different feeds.

The commentators are on one feed, the crowd is on another feed. Everything is then played back on a slight delay.

So I don't think there's anything unusual about that.

 

[InmanRoshi]

You mean it isn't illegal, like taping a team's signals...

And your saying knowing the plays had no effect, but piping noise does, because the players don't know the plays? what happened to execution... strange the logic...

Actually, it is illegal. I don't believe you're allowed to play anything over the PA after the offense has been set.

It doesn't effect the players knowing the plays ... it does effect the QB from making calls at the line, changing plays and it forces the offense to go to silent count which puts the offensive line at a huge disadvantage (especially when facing an edge rushers like Freeney and Mathis). Hey, maybe youre right and Jerry and the NFL Competition Committe comprised of current and former coaches doesn't know what they're talking about, but I doubt it. You would think this would be pretty outrageous to someone so concerned with fairness and class. Or is cheating just bad when the Pats do it?

 

[khiladi]

Please, take the Patriots talk to one of the million whinefest threads that exist around here, this isn't about them.

Your complaing about a whinefest and you post an absolutely ridiculous article.. No... it has everything to do about them, and you know it, thus your words:

Lets see some outrage.

Why should their be outrage? Oh yeah, because of the outrage against the Patriots and Bellichek...

Don't blame me for yuor bad analogy... Your clearly a Patriots fan...

 

[Cochese]

Your complaing about a whinefest and you post an absolutely ridiculous article.. No... it has everything to do about them, and you know it, thus your words:



Why should their be outrage? Oh yeah, because of the outrage against the Patriots and Bellichek...

Don't blame me for yuor bad analogy... Your clearly a Patriots fan...

How is it a ridiculous article? I gave you proof that the Colts may be getting an unfair competitive advantage, and its ridiculous?

 

[khiladi]

Actually, it is illegal. I don't believe you're allowed to play anything over the PA after the offense has been set.

It doesn't effect the players knowing the plays ... it does effect the QB from making calls at the line, changing plays and it forces the offense to go to silent count which puts the offensive line at a huge disadvantage (especially when facing an edge rushers like Freeney and Mathis).

You would think this would be pretty outrageous to someone so concerned with fairness and class. Or is cheating just bad when the Pats do it?

PA set.. so it was a CD implented in the crowds, and now it is the PA set??? my how you just run into speculation after speculation... So now it is illegal, but you were just telling us how the NFL was going to look into it... WHat are they going to look into, if it is already illegal..

You mean changing the plays impacts the game, but it doesn't somehow impact the game when the Patriots knows the calls of their opponents? Why does the offense need to change the plays if it is all abotu execution?

Ahh yes, let the slithering continue...

 

[khiladi]

How is it a ridiculous article? I gave you proof that the Colts may be getting an unfair competitive advantage, and its ridiculous?

And the Patriots WERE getting an unfair competitive advantage and cheating... keep coming up with the excuses..

it doesn't absolve your team from their exploits of knwoingly and willfully violating NFL rules...

 

[khiladi]

What are you going to tell us now... That Goodell may have burned the CDs...

 

[Rack]

Actually, it is illegal. I don't believe you're allowed to play anything over the PA after the offense has been set.

So is it illegal, or is it something you believe is illegal?

I'm not meaning that to sound confrontational, I just want to know.

 

[InmanRoshi]

How is it a ridiculous article? I gave you proof that the Colts may be getting an unfair competitive advantage, and its ridiculous?

You realize you're trying to argue with a guy who actually thinks Roger Goodell has cooked up a league wide conspiracy that causes the Patriots to win games.

 

[khiladi]

You realize you're trying to argue with a guy who actually thinks Roger Goodell has cooked up a league wide conspiracy that causes the Patriots to win games.

Nice... ad hominem after an absurdly baseless analogy with a load of speculation on top...

but the Patriots cheating isn't speculation...

and Goodell burning the tapes... that is conspiracy...

 

[InmanRoshi]

So is it illegal, or is it something you believe is illegal?

I'm not meaning that to sound confrontational, I just want to know.

I'm pretty sure it's illegal. The Commanders were fined for illegally playing noise over the P.A. a few years ago.

PLUS: FOOTBALL; Commanders Fined For Cheerleading

Published: October 22, 2000

The National Football League fined the Washington Commanders $20,000 for breaking league crowd-noise control rules by using their public address system for cheerleading during the team's victory over Tampa Bay on Oct. 1.

Greg Aiello, the N.F.L. spokesman, said Friday that league officials imposed the fine on Oct. 9. The N.F.L. also is investigating whether the Commanders committed a similar violation during last week's game against Baltimore.

''We're looking into the same issue concerning the Ravens game, the crowd-noise violation,'' Aiello told The Washington Post. ''It has not been resolved. This is a separate matter.''

The Commanders have 20 days to appeal the fine, and a team source told The Post they would do so, arguing they did not use their public address system differently than other N.F.L. teams have.

 

[Rack]

Thanks, IR. I did not know that.


Still not as bad as stealing signals, but pretty bad. They're in a dome, they shouldn't need help with crowd noise.