Insane: Ware in Ring of Honor not Jimmy

[tm1119]

DWare was a product of Jerry's great football instincts (he's a legend in his own mind), so of course he will go in. Jimmy is not deserving in Jerry's eyes. Jimmy did amazing things and has been credited with it without Jerry's input. That's a no-dice thing. We have a petty Rich Man North of Richland, Tx running our team....So...

Demarcus Ware is a sure fire hall of fame player that deserves to be in the ring of honor. Absolutely zero relevance to Jimmy Johnson

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Demarcus Ware is a sure fire hall of fame player that deserves to be in the ring of honor. Absolutely zero relevance to Jimmy Johnson

I agree unfortunately everybody that goes in from now on is going to be overshadowed by the fact Jimmy isn't in. It's not fare to Ware and the others but Jerry caused this.

 

[Vabchshark]

Tex Schramm created the ring of honor for players, not coaches or front office personnel. Tex wouldn’t have put Tom Landry in the ring of honor because it was supposed to only be for players. Jerry alluded to that in his press conference.

An exception was made for Tom Landry because he was the only coach the Cowboys had for the first 29 years of their existence, and to allow Jerry to make a gesture of apology for how the end of Landry’s career in Dallas went down. Tom didn’t make the ring of honor for his Super Bowl wins.

Jimmy was coach for only 5 years out of the 53 year history of the team. Yea, he won some Super Bowls. But that is not what the ring of honor was about. It was always supposed to be about the players. Landry was an exception. Jimmy didn’t stay long enough to be the second exception.

Jerry Jones himself should never be inducted into the ring of honor, because he’s not a player.

That would be 63-year history of the team.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Tex Schramm created the ring of honor for players, not coaches or front office personnel. Tex wouldn’t have put Tom Landry in the ring of honor because it was supposed to only be for players. Jerry alluded to that in his press conference.

An exception was made for Tom Landry because he was the only coach the Cowboys had for the first 29 years of their existence, and to allow Jerry to make a gesture of apology for how the end of Landry’s career in Dallas went down. Tom didn’t make the ring of honor for his Super Bowl wins.

Jimmy was coach for only 5 years out of the 53 year history of the team. Yea, he won some Super Bowls. But that is not what the ring of honor was about. It was always supposed to be about the players. Landry was an exception. Jimmy didn’t stay long enough to be the second exception.

Jerry Jones himself should never be inducted into the ring of honor, because he’s not a player.

Well Tex didn't turn down his invitation to go into the ROH. He was alive when they announced it. He should have told Jerry that the ring should only be for players if he believed that.

 

[DallasEast]

Yes.

You could be right.

I think it’s a forever ban. Pete Rose banned.

Well, Pete Rose was banned from baseball for gambling. It did not help his cause that Rose was superstitiously blamed for the commissioner's untimely death, seemingly coinciding with the 'enormous stress' of issuing a lifetime ban to a baseball legend, days later.

Rose and Jimmy Johnson's situation are not comparable, despite the actual nature of Johnson's misconduct as Jerry Jones' employee. Additionally, the reasoning has been stated from day one for what led to Rose's banishment: betting on games.

On the other hand, Jones has not publicly stated, under questioning, his denying Johnson's induction into the Ring has been over an employer/employee grievance. Instead, he often reiterates how Tex Schramm counseled him in properly determining who he should pick for the Ring--elaborating with criteria establishing what an individual achieves for the franchise's overall legacy. Jones could have openly acknowledged his true reasoning but has always deferred to an indirect substitute explanation instead--countering his own stated justification.

The rationals, behind what both MLB and Jones' decisions, are also incomparable. Jones may have levied a lifetime Ring banishment upon Johnson but the only semblance between the two bans is probable permanence.

 

[CCBoy]

Not carrying full response for player or owner roles is not similar to a criminal infraction historically an actual crime....no matter any length of time involved for a matter of respect. Jerry has never denied actual respect on the franchises' level.

It's not a folk balad issue as well.

 

[acr731]

Well, Pete Rose was banned from baseball for gambling. It did not help his cause that Rose was superstitiously blamed for the commissioner's untimely death, seemingly coinciding with the 'enormous stress' of issuing a lifetime ban to a baseball legend, days later.

Rose and Jimmy Johnson's situation are not comparable, despite the actual nature of Johnson's misconduct as Jerry Jones' employee. Additionally, the reasoning has been stated from day one for what led to Rose's banishment: betting on games.

On the other hand, Jones has not publicly stated, under questioning, his denying Johnson's induction into the Ring has been over an employer/employee grievance. Instead, he often reiterates how Tex Schramm counseled him in properly determining who he should pick for the Ring--elaborating with criteria establishing what an individual achieves for the franchise's overall legacy. Jones could have openly acknowledged his true reasoning but has always deferred to an indirect substitute explanation instead--countering his own stated justification.

The rationals, behind what both MLB and Jones' decisions, are also incomparable. Jones may have levied a lifetime Ring banishment upon Johnson but the only semblance between the two bans is probable permanence.

The only time I have ever heard that Jimmy engaged in any misconduct is here at CZ. Why is that? Like you said, Jerry has never mentioned any misconduct, so why do some CZ members believe it happened? Whatever happened was personal between Jerry and Jimmy and it has lead to a petty 30 year grudge.

 

[charron]

Why is this insane? Nothing has changed for Jerry to reverse coarse on this issue. Nothing to do with who deserves to be in it.

 

[Dakota]

JJ is a very petty vindictive man. My dad would say, wealth is one measument of a man but not the only and certainly not the most important.

 

[Hoofbite]

Ware deserves to be there and so does Jimmy. I don't see what Ware has to do with Jerry's personal vendetta against Jimmy.

 

[DallasEast]

The only time I have ever heard that Jimmy engaged in any misconduct is here at CZ. Why is that? Like you said, Jerry has never mentioned any misconduct, so why do some CZ members believe it happened? Whatever happened was personal between Jerry and Jimmy and it has lead to a petty 30 year grudge.

In Peter King's Sports Illustrated article (link): he states Jimmy Johnson's story of his final significant employee misconduct:

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The day before the 1992 NFL draft, the Dallas brain-trust—Johnson, Jones and Ackles—formulated a trade to offer the Cleveland Browns. Late that day, after Jones had left the office, Cleveland coach Bill Belichick called back to say he would do the deal, and the Cowboys announced it. On draft day Jones came to the office upset that he hadn't been called when the deal was confirmed, and he asked to see Johnson.​

Jerry Jones considered himself as the general manager at the time, which Johnson disputed (link):

Jerry started putting all those titles on himself after I left. He didn’t call himself general manager and president and all that stuff when I was there. He was just the owner. Because it was in my contract that I had total responsibility for all football decisions.​

Regardless, Jones was the owner or employer. Johnson was the head coach or employee. Contractually or not, Johnson acted without his approval. When:

...Johnson told to a table of Dallas staff alumni, including Arizona Cardinal assistant general manager Bob Ackles, Chicago Bear coach Dave Wannstedt, Washington Commander coach Norv Turner and their spouses, at a party during the NFL meetings in Orlando on March 21. In the midst of Johnson's narrative, Jones approached the group, drink in hand, to offer a toast... When Jones made his toast, the group, which included two people whom Jones had fired, reacted coolly, and Jones was not invited to join the table. The snub led to Jones's widely reported remark later that night that he might get Switzer to coach his team.​

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Johnson had been pushing Jones for awhile but that particular Johnson's employee misconduct was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Coincidentally, Barry Switzer saw the bigger picture, in Jones' own words (link), when Jones had him meet about the head coaching vacancy:

Now, Barry had coached us both. He said, 'Where's Jimmy?' I said, 'Jimmy's gone.' He said, 'Well, that's not right. Get him. Get him in here. Where's Jimmy?' ​

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I said, 'Barry, Jimmy's gone. We're sitting here talking about you being the coach.' I said, 'What in the world are you so anxious to talk to Jimmy about?' He said, 'I just want to get both you little <expletives> on this couch and ask you both how could you <expletive> this up.'​

Emotions created the ending both men regretted later. In the past year, Johnson said (link):

"People say, ‘he meddled too much.’ No he didn’t meddle. It’s just that when we started winning, he wanted to be more in the spotlight. I was proud of what we accomplished. Maybe I didn’t want to share it. I take fault in a lot of it. I should’ve shared it more."​

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For what it is worth: Jones has said:

"Well, I just think of those great times... And Jimmy's a great coach. Ridiculous, my role -- it was my job was to keep it together. It was my job. Should have had deference to something that was working good."​

In the end, Johnson did what he had always done best--pushed buttons. He brought out the best in his players using psychology. Even though it can be easily argued Johnson was the best qualified of the two for building and upgrading rosters to their fullest potential, netting Super Bowl championships, it is equally easy to argue he knew exactly what would happen if he pushed Jones' buttons. Both knew each other for decades. Johnson knew Jones' particular mindset would not cope and prompt him to step back. Like Troy Aikman said (link):

Jimmy orchestrated the thing brilliantly. He wanted out, he saw a crack, and he took it. He got a ton of money, and he got everyone to feel sorry for him.​

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I do not feel sorry for Johnson. Never have. Every person is responsible for their own actions and that includes Johnson.

What I cannot overlook is the narcissism woven throughout this cautionary tale of squandering both the present and future. The narcissism craving self-acknowledgment to a degree, that personally understanding any employer should consider how productive an employee is for the benefit of their organization, should outweigh any self-gratification of maintaining absolute power over their employee and disrupt that same benefit. Then, continuing the inflexibility of not publicly honoring the employee's benefit to the organization. To be the bigger man. To do the right thing before time snatches that simple opportunity from their grasp. Permanently. Just like everything else in this thing we call life.

And that is what is truly sad.

 

[Bing]

Simple....both Jerry and Jimmy are 80 years old. They are both waiting for the other one to die so the living one can get the last laugh....you will not see Jimmy in the ROH while Jerry is alive and most likely you never will anyway.

 

[TheCritic]

I wonder if the CZ admins would be willing to look into starting an online petition for Cowboys fans everywhere to sign for getting Jimmy into the ROH. I don't understand the pettiness of Jerry Jones on this. Can't think of a single Cowboys fan that wouldn't want this !!!

 

[DallasEast]

I wonder if the CZ admins would be willing to look into starting an online petition for Cowboys fans everywhere to sign for getting Jimmy into the ROH. I don't understand the pettiness of Jerry Jones on this. Can't think of a single Cowboys fan that wouldn't want this !!!

No. CowboysZone does not do petitions.

Edit: Narcissists do not respond positively to petitions anyway, lol. The media should continue questioning him though. If there is any remote chance of modifying a mindset like his, it will be through pestering from sources that make him uncomfortable.