Inside the NFL

[CowboyStar88]

did anyone catch it this week?

I just finished watching it and they talked about Zeke and his case. Boomer seemed like he was in Zeke's corner. Heck I thought all the guys were in his corner. Boomer started talking about his innocents and the gal I believe her name was Judy was quick to point out that, Zeke legal team was arguing procedure. She went on to make it a point to say the DA told the public and the NFL that they didn't doubt her story, but not enough evidence to convict. Is that true?

Boomer you could tell didn't buy any of it. I was reading between the lines there.

 

[SoBlue128]

It wasn’t so much that the DA believed everything because there was so much untruth but the DA did believe there was some domestic abuse. Her credibility was an issue so they felt a conviction wasn’t probable

 

[Idgit]

The NFL attributed some quotes to the Ohio prosecutor that I can't find sources or primary attribution for. That's probably what she was referring to.

The most specific thing I've seen sourced that they said was that they believed "something physical" occurred but that her story lacked consistency and credibility overall so the chose not to bring it forward.

 

[CowboyStar88]

The NFL attributed some quotes to the Ohio prosecutor that I can't find sources or primary attribution for. That's probably what she was referring to.

The most specific thing I've seen sourced that they said was that they believed "something physical" occurred but that her story lacked consistency and credibility overall so the chose not to bring it forward.

Yea but that's not what she said on the program. This is my issue, as these people put things out there that are inaccurate and it paints a bad picture. I felt Boomer was trying to shed light on everything and back Zeke. I just got the feeling he didn't believe it at all.

 

[Idgit]

Yea but that's not what she said on the program. This is my issue, as these people put things out there that are inaccurate and it paints a bad picture. I felt Boomer was trying to shed light on everything and back Zeke. I just got the feeling he didn't believe it at all.

NFL is trying to win the perception battle. Given they have a network behind them, they might be successful.

 

[SoBlue128]

The NFL has become too arrogant for its own good. Right now the NFL has more female viewers than ever before so it’s nothing more than a politically correct move. They could care less about DV.

 

[DogFace]

All of the media that speaks on this subject need to come one here and read the 100 plus pages of threads. They really don't know many details.

I haven't watched inside the NFL yet. All the other shows I've watched seem to know very little and I haven't heard one person quote the judge's quotes about how unjust the nfl's process was in this case.

 

[xwalker]

All of the media that speaks on this subject need to come one here and read the 100 plus pages of threads. They really don't know many details.

I haven't watched inside the NFL yet. All the other shows I've watched seem to know very little and I haven't heard one person quote the judge's quotes about how unjust the nfl's process was in this case.

People on those shows don't care about the truth.

 

[shabazz]

Any announcer who's for Zeke will be deemed mysogonistic by the judge and jury known as the media

Any women can make the DV claim and be defended without scrutiny by the media

 

[Bullflop]

The police found that many of Ms. Thompson's statements were in conflict with other testimony that she offered. It rendered her words unreliable in their estimation. The accuser also got into a fight with another woman at a bar. That fact served to cast significant doubt as to whether the bruises admitted as evidence by the NFL were anything that Ezekiel might have done. The NFL took the word of someone quite unreliable as fact.

Additionally, the NFL's withholding of evidence in favor of Ezekiel which was submitted by one of Goodell's agents was yet another miscarriage of justice which was subsequently found objectionable. Ezekiel didn't appear to be given a fair shake by Roger Goodell and the NFL's unfair process. His case promises to be one that casts serious doubt upon the NFL's handling of their investigation. They botched it badly.

 

[JoeKing]

I absolutely abhor the relevance of the court of public opinion, what has happen to the right to privacy? The leaks of information in this case were prevalent from the beginning. Thanks to the abuse of technology and social media, the concept of privacy has vanished. I do however believe in the concept that the truth shall set you free which applies only if the truth is on your side. I think this works for Zeke and so when it is all said and done and the case rest with judges to decide this case, the NFL's disregard for fairness and Zeke's accuser's character will prove in favor of Zeke. The NFL's position has been for Zeke to prove his innocents but that is not the legal standard... It should go without saying but the legal standard is innocent until proven guilty.

The league needs to get out of the appeals business because it's just not good at it. I don't know if it's possible for that to happen before the current CBA expires but it ought to be a point of emphasis in the next negotiations. At a minimum Lisa Friel, Harold Henderson and Roger Goodell need to be offered the right to resign or have the owners outright fire them. The owners have work to do in replacing those controversial people. My suggestion to solve that problem is to hire the honorable Condoleezza Rice as the League commissioner and allow her to hire her own staff to include replacing Henderson and Friel.

 

[SHAMSzy]

I'll do a quick evidence lecture--

Federal rules of evidence 404 Character evidence prohibits "character evidence" which is "evidence of a person’s character or character trait is not admissible to prove that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character or trait."

Basically, you cannot use evidence of someone's character against them, for example-- you are on trial for theft, "character evidence" cannot be used that you drowned puppies therefore you are a horrible person who likely stole.

HOWEVER,

404(b)(2) allows this "character evidence" to be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident.

Zeke's legal team could slaughter his accuser's reputation with damaging character evidence about how her conversations that she would blackmail Zeke etc.. this would not be character evidence o prove motive, intent, preparation, plan, etc.. very damning for the accuser's credibility. DA probably calculated that the evidence that would destroy her credibility would ruin the entire case, so he did not pursue.

To bring back the drowning puppies therefore you likely stole, that evidence would not prove any of the above.. just that you are plainly a horrible person.

Sidenote-- Federal rules of evidence are very strict on evidence against rape victims because of the fragility of it / don't want people to attack her for being promiscuous etc. If Zeke's accuser was under the protection of rape evidence laws this would have been a whole different game.

 

[TheHerd]

I'll do a quick evidence lecture--

Federal rules of evidence 404 Character evidence prohibits "character evidence" which is "evidence of a person’s character or character trait is not admissible to prove that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character or trait."

Basically, you cannot use evidence of someone's character against them, for example-- you are on trial for theft, "character evidence" cannot be used that you drowned puppies therefore you are a horrible person who likely stole.

HOWEVER,

404(b)(2) allows this "character evidence" to be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident.

Zeke's legal team could slaughter his accuser's reputation with damaging character evidence about how her conversations that she would blackmail Zeke etc.. this would not be character evidence o prove motive, intent, preparation, plan, etc.. very damning for the accuser's credibility. DA probably calculated that the evidence that would destroy her credibility would ruin the entire case, so he did not pursue.

To bring back the drowning puppies therefore you likely stole, that evidence would not prove any of the above.. just that you are plainly a horrible person.

Sidenote-- Federal rules of evidence are very strict on evidence against rape victims because of the fragility of it / don't want people to attack her for being promiscuous etc. If Zeke's accuser was under the protection of rape evidence laws this would have been a whole different game.

In this case, the alleged victim lied about the actual incidents under investigation, according to several witnesses, including her own friends.

Zeke's team isn't using the puppy argument, and neither did the police when they dropped their investigation. There is simply zero credible evidence that the alleged incident took place.

That's why Zeke has a chance in the actual appeal. The CBA still requires credible evidence. And anyone outside the kangaroo NFL court can see there is no credible evidence in this case.

 

[Parcells4Life]

The bottom line is the NFL is allowed to make any decision they want. What they SHOULD have done is let all evidence appear on appeal and comply with every NFLPA request then give the decision they wanted to anyway.

If they had done that Zeke would have had no recourse on procedure and the CBA says Goodell can do whatever he wants.

NFL was relyin on its own investigator Kia Roberts to keep her mouth shut. Even then they could have said her role was just to give the information to her supervisor, bent over backwards to make it appear like there was no conspiracy with all the other issues with the appeal.

It really is more laziness that the NFL thought they didn't have to do anything but roll out of bed and get what they want.

 

[Fizziksman]

The NFL has become too arrogant for its own good. Right now the NFL has more female viewers than ever before so it’s nothing more than a politically correct move. They could care less about DV.

even worse, they are using DV to try to get more leverage over the NFLPA. In the end it's just about being able to screw the union they have to work with.

 

[JoeKing]

The bottom line is the NFL is allowed to make any decision they want.

That is a widespread belief that is patenly false. It's based on the rights given to the designated NFL Commissioner in article 46 on the current CBA. However, as long as the NFL wants to operate as a business, it is subject to the rules all business bow to under law, one of which is fair treatment. That fundamental right can not be negotiated away by the CBA.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

even worse, they are using DV to try to get more leverage over the NFLPA. In the end it's just about being able to screw the union they have to work with.

Screw the union by giving them tons of ammunition? Doesn't seem likely.

 

[DogFace]

I'll do a quick evidence lecture--

Federal rules of evidence 404 Character evidence prohibits "character evidence" which is "evidence of a person’s character or character trait is not admissible to prove that on a particular occasion the person acted in accordance with the character or trait."

Basically, you cannot use evidence of someone's character against them, for example-- you are on trial for theft, "character evidence" cannot be used that you drowned puppies therefore you are a horrible person who likely stole.

HOWEVER,

404(b)(2) allows this "character evidence" to be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident.

Zeke's legal team could slaughter his accuser's reputation with damaging character evidence about how her conversations that she would blackmail Zeke etc.. this would not be character evidence o prove motive, intent, preparation, plan, etc.. very damning for the accuser's credibility. DA probably calculated that the evidence that would destroy her credibility would ruin the entire case, so he did not pursue.

To bring back the drowning puppies therefore you likely stole, that evidence would not prove any of the above.. just that you are plainly a horrible person.

Sidenote-- Federal rules of evidence are very strict on evidence against rape victims because of the fragility of it / don't want people to attack her for being promiscuous etc. If Zeke's accuser was under the protection of rape evidence laws this would have been a whole different game.

So what is the next step of the legal process? Are the merits of her accounts of the events considered? Or is it limited to the process being flawed?

I have no idea what the process is from here on out other than at some point a 3 judge panel will hear something. Then further appeals are possible after that.

 

[DogFace]

That is a widespread belief that is patenly false. It's based on the rights given to the designated NFL Commissioner in article 46 on the current CBA. However, as long as the NFL wants to operate as a business, it is subject to the rules all business bow to under law, one of which is fair treatment. That fundamental right can not be negotiated away by the CBA.

Please repost this 100 times or more. I'm tired of hearing that Roger can do anything he wants. Fairness is fundamental and required in every work place environment. A court may be required to determine fairness.

 

[JoeKing]

So what is the next step of the legal process? Are the merits of her accounts of the events considered? Or is it limited to the process being flawed?

I have no idea what the process is from here on out other than at some point a 3 judge panel will hear something. Then further appeals are possible after that.

The Texas judge will either reaffirm or rescind his granting of the TRO and temporary injunction. If the judge reverses his decision then Zeke will be suspended the next 6 games. If the judge reaffirms his ruling then the 5th Circuit of Appeals take the case as soon as they find time which will take 6 to 8 months.