INT or Pick?

[dougonthebench]

I've been thinking about this for a while and wanted to get some input from you.
IMO I think there should be a difference between an interception and a pick.I feel an interception should apply when a DB gets the ball without it being tipped or touched from an offensive player.A pick would the apply when the ball is tipped,batted or anything else that applies.QB's get tagged with INT's that are sometimes not their fault.An INT or pick would then improve a QB's rating,depending on what they have the most of.What do you think?

 

[devman90]

Pick means interception, don't over analyze

 

[dougonthebench]

yes,but if the ball is tipped should it be the QB's fault?

 

[Falcon]

possibly. Depends on how the ball is delivered. Gets too subjective. Ball ends up in the Defense's hands, it is a problem.

 

[dougonthebench]

yeah but QB's get the blame for receivers mistakes.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You need to get KC Joyner's book, Scientific Football.

He breaks down which pick was on whom. Fascinating reading.

The QB shouldn't get tagged for sloppy route running, getting blown off the route, or reasonable failure to come back for the ball, or a myriad of other non-QB faulted reasons picks happen.

But hey, that's why QB make the big bucks.

 

[dougonthebench]

it also makes DB's look better/worse with say 9 int's when 2 out of 9 were batted/tipped balls.

 

[Danny White]

How about a "shoulda"?
That's a ball that hits a rock-handed CB in the numbers but he drops. That should count for at least as much as a "pick" but slightly less than an "INT".

Fumbles should also be broken down between "Richies" which is when the fullback knocks the ball out of the QBs hand when he's trying to pick up the blitz, "Hutches" which is when the QB fumbles when a defender scares him by getting too close to him, and a "Quincy" when the QB drops the ball when his arm goes back to pass. Then there's a "Brady" which is a fumble that really isn't a fumble.

 

[dougonthebench]

You need to get KC Joyner's book, Scientific Football.

He breaks down which pick was on whom. Fascinating reading.

The QB shouldn't get tagged for sloppy route running, getting blown off the route, or reasonable failure to come back for the ball, or a myriad of other non-QB faulted reasons picks happen.

But hey, that's why QB make the big bucks.

does Barnes and Noble carry this?

 

[RedLine]

I see where you are going with this dj and I agree. It would be nice if the NFL would differentiate between a clear mistake by the QB and some other cause. That would make the stats on interceptions more valuable.

 

[dougonthebench]

How about a "shoulda"?
That's a ball that hits a rock-handed CB in the numbers but he drops. That should count for at least as much as a "pick" but slightly less than an "INT".

Fumbles should also be broken down between "Richies" which is when the fullback knocks the ball out of the QBs hand when he's trying to pick up the blitz, "Hutches" which is when the QB fumbles when a defender scares him by getting too close to him, and a "Quincy" when the QB drops the ball when his arm goes back to pass. Then there's a "Brady" which is a fumble that really isn't a fumble.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[dougonthebench]

I see where you are going with this dj and I agree. It would be nice if the NFL would differentiate between a clear mistake by the QB and some other cause. That would make the stats on interceptions more valuable.

my point exactly.

 

[SmellsLikeTuna]

What about the interception that goes right to the safety without touching anyone because the WR ran the wrong route. How do you determine that one? If a QB throws a pass into triple-coverage which is tipped by the CB before being snagged by the SS, that shouldn't count against him?? It's all way too subjective.

 

[dargonking999]

How about a "shoulda"?
That's a ball that hits a rock-handed CB in the numbers but he drops. That should count for at least as much as a "pick" but slightly less than an "INT".

Fumbles should also be broken down between "Richies" which is when the fullback knocks the ball out of the QBs hand when he's trying to pick up the blitz, "Hutches" which is when the QB fumbles when a defender scares him by getting too close to him, and a "Quincy" when the QB drops the ball when his arm goes back to pass. Then there's a "Brady" which is a fumble that really isn't a fumble.

the new rules,

brady rule

quincy rule

hutch rule

vinny runle

 

[Kilyin]

Fumbles should also be broken down between "Richies" which is when the fullback knocks the ball out of the QBs hand when he's trying to pick up the blitz, "Hutches" which is when the QB fumbles when a defender scares him by getting too close to him, and a "Quincy" when the QB drops the ball when his arm goes back to pass. Then there's a "Brady" which is a fumble that really isn't a fumble.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

does Barnes and Noble carry this?

No, you have to special order it..do a Google search on it.

 

[dougonthebench]

What about the interception that goes right to the safety without touching anyone because the WR ran the wrong route. How do you determine that one? If a QB throws a pass into triple-coverage which is tipped by the CB before being snagged by the SS, that shouldn't count against him?? It's all way too subjective.

have an official scorer like they do in baseball.let them decide.

 

[dougonthebench]

No, you have to special order it..do a Google search on it.

thanks

 

[big dog cowboy]

INt = turnover
pick = turnover

Whatever term you use to call it, it is something we should see a lot more from the good guys this year.

 

[dougonthebench]

INt = turnover
pick = turnover

Whatever term you use to call it, it is something we should see a lot more from the good guys this year.

I hope you're talking about the defense,not our offense.