Intelligent QB Discussion

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First off, if you decide to respond to this thread but have nothing intelligent to add, please don't. Every QB thread ultimately turns into a flame war where someone starts to bash Henson/Romo. It's ok to have a preference and an opinion as to who you think, at this time, is better at the QB position. However, please remember that Henson and Romo are both Cowboys-- they wear the same star every one of our players does. If you can hope that one or the other fails (and I know some of you do) how can you call yourselves real fans? We should be in both of these guy’s corners.

“Why are there so many posts dedicated to THE BACKUP QB POSITION?” I’ll tell you why—Quarterback is the most important position in the game and our starter is old and takes more hits than any other QB in the league. If we had Tom Brady or Carson Palmer at QB, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. On top of that we have two prospects who look promising and share similar traits. Neither one of these guys was drafted in the 1st round, Romo was an UDFA probably for the sole reason that he played college ball at a smaller school. Henson decided to give baseball a shot but played football at a big time school. With Romo being an UDFA and Henson being away from the game for so long, both were long shots to be starters of an NFL team.

The truth of the matter is, at this point, nobody knows who the better QB is. You can argue that Romo is number two on the depth chart and Henson is number 3. Your argument may be legitimate—Romo is number 2 so he must be further along than Henson. However, how many times has Parcells said not to look too far into this. In addition, both of these guys played poorly in preseason last year.

So lets move on to what we do know (or sorta do)…

We know that Payton showed interest in bringing Romo to NO. We also know that Bledsoe said something to the effect that if he missed a game, he may never see the field again because Romo would steal the starting job. Parcells also seems to be a little higher on Romo, but with all the head games he plays, nobody can really be sure. I haven’t seen enough of Romo to make an assessment for myself, so all I can do is go by the interest he has generated in former coaches (Payton) and comments by our current players (Bledsoe.) It is also the general belief that Romo has outperformed Henson in TC thus far and will get significant playing time in the preseason (straight from the mouth of the Tuna.) Does significant playing time mean more time than Henson? Nobody knows. Are these legitimate facts? No, but it’s really all we have at this point.

Let me preface this by saying that I watched every Rhein game with my own eyes. Unlike most others, I am not disappointed in the way Henson has played. Parcells said he was hoping to see more; maybe this is a motivational tool, maybe not. Henson’s receivers were plagued with injuries and even when they did get on the field they dropped everything. You can’t really expect a QB to light it up when his supporting cast can’t carry out their jobs.

From watching Henson with my own eyes (for the entire season) this is what I know:

Henson has a cannon for an arm and can make all the throws; the majority of his passes are tight and show incredible zip. Henson can buy himself time in the pocket and throws very well on the run. He is mobile in the pocket and will even take off with the ball when he needs to. Who can forget the throw to Z. Smith on the sideline of the end-zone? Henson threw that ball with just his arm (he was scrambling the opposite way) and hit Zuriel right in the hands. Henson made a lot of throws that made me say “Wow.” I also believe Henson showed good progress on his touch passes towards the end of the season. His biggest problem IMO is that he doesn’t go through his progressions all the time. Henson’s decision making also seemed to be decent; he didn’t try to force the ball into coverage too often. I don’t think Henson has benefited from the coaching staff changing his mechanics.

Unlike some of you, I’m rooting for both of these guys. I’m also excited about the talent this team has at future QB. I hope both of these guys get to play with the first team in preseason; that is the only way we can really make an accurate assessment of both players progression.

What are your intelligent thoughts?
 

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Henson's mechanics are not as advanced as they need to be- his accuracy is not that great. Griz said it: Henson makes his recievers work to catch the ball; Romo does not.
 

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It will all come out in the wash. This preseason's games should be very informative. I am concerned about Bledsoe's recent showing, though. I hope he picks it up so the dispute about the "back up" will be kept on a merely theoretical plane.
 

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I like both qb's.
I like Henson's upside better.
I do feel as though Romo does know the offense better.
He is playing smarter and will make less mistakes than Henson right now.
The coaches like that and that is why he is the backup in my opinion.
However I think Henson has a better arm and is more mobile.
Henson's lack of playing(3 yrs away from the game) has left him behind Romo in decision making.
I still feel as though Henson has more talent and ability but for now Romo fits our needs better as the backup.
Just to be clear...Romo has a good arm...I think Henson's is better is all.
No disrespect to either young player meant in my comments.
 

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First of all, put the Bledsoe problems to rest. He was playing the same way last training camp and people were posting the same sorts of things. I remember well. It did, and it will, be okay.

Secondly, most of Parcells comments in regard to this, came at the begining of camp. There is a good chance that Henson really, finally, made a positive impression on Parcells yesterday, and it seems evident from reports of Parcells near giddy behavior in sprinting out to pat him on the back, and then immediately giving him another series, which he once again succeeded. That will be a huge step for Henson from this point on.

I agree with the poster, I like both guys. But I want one of them to seperate, and I would prefer it was Henson because I just feel he has a higher ceiling than Romo, once he gets it, if he gets it.
 

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I enjoyed your assessment of Romo and Henson. The difference between the two is ability. Romo may be sharper at this point, ut Henson has better overall talent. Either one will be able to come in and help out in a crunch. The question is; are either the QB of the future?

I really haven't seen enough of Romo to say. Henson looked good to me in NFLE, despite the receivers dropping everything. Good decisions and good mobility. After the first week of camp, it appears Henson's faults aren't hurting him. He had the best day of all the QB's yesterday, despite playing with a lesser supporting cast.

BP is putting pressure on Romo from the start. I do believe that he has to put up, or move on. I think some of the pressure from BP has to do with what Henson showed in NFLE. He may have wanted more, but I think BP likes what he got.

Someone has to step up this season or next year we need to take a QB in the first round.
 

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Speaking of seeing Henson with one's own two eyes...

I taped every game...

My simple statement is this...

He made plays in NFLE that neither Bledsoe or Romo have the physical ability to make.

When the pocket broke down, he made some AMAZING throws on the run. Bledsoe doesn't have the mobility to do that...Romo doesn't have the arm.

Those are facts.

I suppose the same can be said for Michael Vick.

But the difference is, I also liked the way Henson took care of the ball.
 

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I'm not worried about our backup sitituation as many are. why? Well didn't the Pats have this same "backup problem" the year Bledsoe went down only to be replaced by Brady a out of no where late round pick who most had never really heard of or expected much from.... Does that mean we have a Brady in Henson or Romo? No one can say until one of them has to play and until then may the best win the number 2 spot....
 

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fortdick said:
I really haven't seen enough of Romo to say.

Neither have I, and that is really the most interesting part of the whole "war", ya know?

We haven't seen Romo save for a few appearances in the preseason. These are situations where the opposing team hasn't had time or film to prepare for him on, and it's basically just a go out there, let it hang out, see what you can do deal. Yet, Romo has been determined (by some) to have a certain "it". What are these people making this decision based on?

My theory? His drive to lead us to victory in a preseason game last year. Players can live off that hype for a while. Ask Jeremy Shockey. Ask DeMarcus Ware how much that hype showed (although he backed it up). Romo's reputation is based off a single drive. I admit, in the limited snaps I've seen of him, the guy has fantastic touch on the short, intermediate stuff. He can get the ball over the top of LBs and under safeties to LBs and RBs with the best of them. But I have never seen anything that suggests to me that he is a deep threat passer. I like him, really, really, really like him, but haven't seen enough to declare anything concrete about him.

Amazingly, guys like you and me can admit that.

But the anti-Henson crowd, just lets their feelings be their guide. Time and time again, while he was in NFLE, we would have guys who had already make their feelings known come into threads and bash him. The funny thing was, they hadn't even watched him.

But they have that ability. The ability to judge players off of press clippings, and gut feelings, and preconceptions about baseball players transitioning to the NFL. And no amount of reason can open their minds. I wish Parcells knew about their special powers. Who needs a scouting department, right?
 

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Unforgiven said:
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Secondly, most of Parcells comments in regard to this, came at the begining of camp. There is a good chance that Henson really, finally, made a positive impression on Parcells yesterday, and it seems evident from reports of Parcells near giddy behavior in sprinting out to pat him on the back, and then immediately giving him another series, which he once again succeeded. That will be a huge step for Henson from this point on.


Where did you read this? It is definetly encouraging to hear.
 

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http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59694

And much to e-mailer Brian M.'s delight, we had a Drew Henson sighting Saturday. Henson was 12-for-16 for 150 yards and led the offense on two touchdown drives and a field goal. After the first TD drive, Parcells was so thrilled that he sprinted (think Matt Damon in The Bourne Supremacy) up the field to congratulate Henson. He immediately gave Henson another series.
 

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Well I haven't watched every game Henson played. So my opinion is that BP seems to like Romo as the backup for now and is going to get him some work this preseason. As long as Bledsoe stays healthy I'd be surprised if either Romo or Henson got more than a couple throws in this year.
 

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Henson is improving- but untill he is consistent in practice hitting his receivers in the hands he will stay #3.
 

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I am not sure why or where all the Henson negativity came from. Is it simply because he's now 3rd string. And wasn't thrown in as the starter in place of Vinnie. So therefore people see him as a bust. Or because of all the attention and press Romo is getting. I personally believe Henson will eventually win out over Romo, even if it takes another year.

Romo is what 6'0", and I believe those days are over and only limit a QB. You need the 6'3" QB at least to be able to play and win consistant. I'm not a coach, never have, never will, but that just seems to be the norm nowdays.

Someone will bring up Flutie, but how long did he actually last as a consistant starter. Montana was only 6 or 6-1, I think, but that was 25 years ago when he started in the league. Much different now.

Romo = Garrett, IMO. But glad to have him on the team. So our back up QB can't be as bad as most think, or else BP & JJ would be bringing in vets.
 

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Brees I think is around 6 foot. This bit about having to be tall is really over blown. Those few inches does not really matter all that much. You cannot see over the O linemen anyway- they are all 6'5 or so.
 

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Henson has the stronger arm and might be more mobile. So what? Its all in the head and how fast you can throw and how accurate you are. Romo is more accurate and seems to be more with it upstairs. And that is a lot more important then arm strength.
 
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