Interesing article, offense wins sbs.

[LittleBoyBlue]

Last year. The Giants beat the most explosive offense in NFL history and held them to 14 points.

BCS National Title game. Florida holds the best offense in NCAA history to 14 points and wins.

Defense will beat a good offense anyday. That being said, of course you have to have a good offense. But I will take the good defense over the good offense anyday.

Which is why Pittsburgh is favored.

Sig bet?
I say that Zona's OFFENSE and their not too shabby DEFENSE does the Stealers in.

 

[The Panch]

We are gonna have to split the difference at the very least on the Giants last SB win.

For all intents and purposes their DEFENSE gave up the SB winning TD. It took the Manning/Tyree miracle to win that SB. Pats dropped how many INT's.

True, but they gave up that TD cause their sorry offense couldnt stay on the field. They were too worn at that point in the game and started getting killed by a bunch of short intermediate passes and screens. They were able to hold the highest scoring offense in NFL history in check for 3 and a half quarters despite getting no help from their offense til the start of the 4th quarter.

 

[The Panch]

So what you're really saying is that playing great defense wins games, not just having a great defense. But you could say the same exact thing about offense too. In how many super bowls does the team that performs worse on offense win?

All I'm saying is... all things equal, the team that gets the best Offense+Defense+special teams play, cumulative, will win the game.

What Im saying is, when it's great defenses vs. great offenses in the postseason, the majority of the time the great defenses win. Most great defenses that couldnt win championships usually folded cause their offense was garbage. Most great offenses that couldnt win championships usually folded cause that same offense couldnt get the job done. The 98 Vikings are the only recent "Great Offense" I can remember losing in the playoffs because their defense couldnt get stops(even tho the missed FG's were a major part of that loss).

 

[The Panch]

Some of the greatest offense in recent NFL history....


'07 Pats: 36.8 PPG - held to 14 in SB Loss
'04 Colts: 32.6 PPG - held to 3 in Div Loss
'01 Rams: 31.4 PPG - held to 17 in SB Loss
'00 Broncos: 30.3 PPG - held to 3 in Div Loss
'84 Dolphins: 32.1 PPG - held to 16 in SB Loss
'83 Commanders: 33.8 PPG - held to 9 in SB Loss
'82 Chargers: 32.0 PPG - held to 13 in Div Loss



The only offenses to avearge over 30 PPG and score close to their average in a postseason loss are the '98 Vikings, '00 Rams, and '03 Chiefs. And they all have one thing in common....bad defense.


And the only offenses to average over 30 PPG to win the SB are the '91 Skins, '94 49ers, and '98 Broncos. And they all had one thing in common......a great defense.


The only team that averaged over 30 PPG and had a great regular season defense to match that played like garbage in the playoffs was the '87 49ers against the Vikings when they scored 24 and gave up 36. And in that game, Montana went 12 for 26 for 109 yards, no TDs and an INT and Young came in and added one TD and one INT. Nevermind the fact they were down 20-3 at halftime.

 

[AdamJT13]

I wasn't referring to this particular article, which he has admitted isn't fully fleshed out yet. I'm a long time reader of his, however, and you should read his other work before coming to any conclusions.

I've read his blog before and have it bookmarked. Some of it is interesting statistically but doesn't always translate into sound football-related conclusions -- like the one in this thread, for example.

By the way, the adage "defense wins championships" refers to the fact that almost every single champion has been good on defense. Until 2007, something like 22 straight Super Bowl champions were ranked in the top eight in points allowed, and every one of them was ranked in the top half of the league in points allowed. You could find champions with great defenses and below-average offenses, but there weren't any champions with great offenses and below-average defenses -- until the Colts did it two years ago.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I think he needs to justify his focus on the tails. I would question whether playoff teams really do come from the tails. For instance only six of the top 12 (and 1 of the top 5) offenses in yards/play made the playoffs this year.

 

[the kid 05]

That whole "defense wins championships" is silly anyways...


Besides the Ravens(2001) how many "defenses" won the SB.
Yes I am sure there a few examples out there but it is not the norm.

86 bears and the Pats recent 3 super bowl wins

 

[NextGenBoys]

Sig bet?
I say that Zona's OFFENSE and their not too shabby DEFENSE does the Stealers in.

Deal.

Just let it be known I am rooting whole-heartedly against the Steelers and for the Cardinals who have Kurt Warner and Kenny Iwebema (former DE for the Iowa Hawkeyes)

That being said, I still think Pitt wins

 

[sonnyboy]

I've read his blog before and have it bookmarked. Some of it is interesting statistically but doesn't always translate into sound football-related conclusions -- like the one in this thread, for example.

By the way, the adage "defense wins championships" refers to the fact that almost every single champion has been good on defense. Until 2007, something like 22 straight Super Bowl champions were ranked in the top eight in points allowed, and every one of them was ranked in the top half of the league in points allowed. You could find champions with great defenses and below-average offenses, but there weren't any champions with great offenses and below-average defenses -- until the Colts did it two years ago.

Hard to argue with stats like that, hence the strength of the defense wins championship theory.

I believe they're equally important.

However, I also believe that championship level performance itself tends to lead to stronger defensive stats.

What I mean is that a team with an equally excellent offense and defense. A team that goes on to win 13-15 games will have thier defensive stats somewhat inflated.

The very process of winning so many games will lead that way. It will give the great team with perhaps two equally great units, the appearence that the defense is better.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I believe the Cowboys teams of 1992-1995 are a perfect example of this.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

86 bears and the Pats recent 3 super bowl wins

Oh you mean where the opposing teams vs the Pats only gave up 3 pts too much That chessmatch more than defense... and, oh yeah cheating.

Deal.

Just let it be known I am rooting whole-heartedly against the Steelers and for the Cardinals who have Kurt Warner and Kenny Iwebema (former DE for the Iowa Hawkeyes)

That being said, I still think Pitt wins

Oh, I dont doubt you are against the Stealers... we are in a crappy position here as fans... having to watch these two teams play. So we deal.


Whats the bet?

 

[NextGenBoys]

Oh, I dont doubt you are against the Stealers... we are in a crappy position here as fans... having to watch these two teams play. So we deal.


Whats the bet?

Haha doesnt matter to me.

How bout if I win your sig must give props to Iowa football and Kirk Ferentz for a month?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Haha doesnt matter to me.

How bout if I win your sig must give props to Iowa football and Kirk Ferentz for a month?

You want Halle to give props to Kirk Ferentz?

I will ask her and let you know..













kidding... its a bet... no biggie.
you have to sport an Oprah pic for a week. I choose..... Deal?

 

[NextGenBoys]

You want Halle to give props to Kirk Ferentz?

I will ask her and let you know..













kidding... its a bet... no biggie.
you have to sport an Oprah pic for a week. I choose..... Deal?

:laugh2: HAHAHAHAHAHA! Deal lol

 

[vta]

Teams win Super Bowls. Unified teams.

 

[tyke1doe]

1. The Bucs

2. The Bears

3. The Giants all three times.

4. The first two and last Steelers teams. Potientally another next Sunday.

5. The underachieving Colts when their defense played lights out in the playoffs.




Statistically, the worst SB winning defenses in the regular season became dominant in the postseason, last year's Giants and the year before's Colts.




Take a look at the list of the highest scoring offenses in NFL history and see how many actually won SBs. Better yet, see how many points they DIDNT score in their playoff losses.

Of course, he leaves out the Cowboys Super Bowl wins in the 90s. The Cowboys were ranked No. 1 on defense in 92 and 93 yet were ranked lower on offense. And that defense stopped the potent Bills offense.

Remember, the Cowboys defense scored two touchdowns in the 92 Super Bowl, produced a goal-line stand that kept the Bills out of the end zone and had nine turnovers.

In the 93 Super Bowl, it was James Washington's turnover recoveries (one which went for a TD) that broke the Bills back. Emmitt just came on to ice the game.

And let's not even talk about the 96 Super Bowl when Larry Brown intercepted two Neil O'Donnell passes that set up the Cowboys for 14 points, the difference in a 27-17 victory over the Steelers.

The team with the better defense is generally going to win, unless the opponent's offense is substantially sub par.

And I won't even mention the 49ers, who shut down the potent attack of Marino in the Super Bowl.

Yes, defense wins championships.

 

[tyke1doe]

We are gonna have to split the difference at the very least on the Giants last SB win.

For all intents and purposes their DEFENSE gave up the SB winning TD. It took the Manning/Tyree miracle to win that SB. Pats dropped how many INT's.

But that defense held the Patriots to 14 points. So what they almost gave up the winning touchdown. They kept the game close, giving their offense a chance to win it. That's what defenses are suppose to do. If the Pats were playing like they had in the regular season, the game would have been over by half time.

No, that victory was more a credit to the Giants defense than their offense.

 

[Rampage]

I counted about 10 total. But that still is 30+ offenses or balanced teams as opposed to just 10 great defenses.

Obviously a good d will put you in decent field position helping your offense. But an offense like the 06 colts can keep their weak defense off the field. It goes both ways, yet we will hear "steelers defense will win the championship" 400 times this upcoming week.

did you even watch the playoffs and Superbowl that year? the Colts defense won peyton and that team that championship. Peyton did everything he could to not win it. he threw a pick in every postseason game including multiple picks against the ravens and chiefs. he only threw 1 pick against NE but it was returned by asante samuel for 6. he also threw 1 in the bowl. the colts defense played lights out in every game in the postseson except against the team with the best qb in the game Tom Brady.

 

[tyke1doe]

did you even watch the playoffs and Superbowl that year? the Colts defense won peyton and that team that championship. Peyton did everything he could to not win it. he threw a pick in every postseason game including multiple picks against the ravens and chiefs. he only threw 1 pick against NE but it was returned by asante samuel for 6. he also threw 1 in the bowl. the colts defense played lights out in every game in the postseson except against the team with the best qb in the game Tom Brady.

But the Colts held the Pats after giving them a 21-6 lead. Yes, Manning had a great comeback, but if the Colts defense doesn't step up, that game is out of reach quickly.

 

[Rampage]

But the Colts held the Pats after giving them a 21-6 lead. Yes, Manning had a great comeback, but if the Colts defense doesn't step up, that game is out of reach quickly.

that too! Peyton is overrated and I laugh at people who thinks he's better than Brady. he reminds me of A-rod from the yankees, big regular season numbers than folds in the postseason. only thing is peyton's defense bailed him out 1 year and won him a ring.

 

[Muhast]

did you even watch the playoffs and Superbowl that year? the Colts defense won peyton and that team that championship. Peyton did everything he could to not win it. he threw a pick in every postseason game including multiple picks against the ravens and chiefs. he only threw 1 pick against NE but it was returned by asante samuel for 6. he also threw 1 in the bowl. the colts defense played lights out in every game in the postseson except against the team with the best qb in the game Tom Brady.

You guys must think IM the one being forgetful... Lol did YOU guys watch the game?

Time of Possession:

Colts 38 min 04 compared to Bears 21:56. almost double.

Show me how many teams spend that little time on offense and win. Especially a sb. I seem to recall Manning throwing a pick to put them down and responding quickly with a 50 something yard td to wayne. Finished with 247 yards, 25/38 1 td, 1 int. Pretty solid performance. And they had 40 rushing attempts compared to 15 for chicago. Im pretty sure the OFFENSE did a wonderful job holding the ball and keeping their d off the field. In fact the Colts RAN THE BALL more plays than the Bears had total. Try that one again.