Interesting note on penalties, etc

[dbair1967]

Yep and I remember when he went down in that '98 game against Seattle that was pretty much the end of the season, the offense was never the same without him.

whats it say about your offensive coaching abilities when you lose a guy that caught all of 28 passes in 11 or 12 games, and it sinks your offense?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

This year penalties are different, repeat penalties and stupid penalties.
I mean Flosmell false starts and holding every game? Packman unsportsman like conduct for a late hit out of bounds when we are trying to get back in the game?
In all seriousness has Flosmell EVER played a game where he did not get a false start and holding penalty? A Flosmell HatTrick, holding penalty, false start penalty and get beat by the defense for a sack.

Also I do not think injuries were any part of the blame for this years results.
Felix Jones loss was not a big deal and I think Marion Barber is better anyway. MB 111 and Romo were playing in the end and when we needed to win they were playing and pretty healthy.
Now the Patriots may be able to use injuries as an excuse but not us.

:laugh2:
If he has there isn't too many on record!

Flosmell, I like it!!!!

 

[dbair1967]

Not to argue but I'd like to see the numbers for this. It just defies common sense.

OK, we led the league with 119 penalties.

Tennessee was 4th with 108, Arizona 5th with 107, Baltimore 7th with 103, NYG 8th with 102, Pittsburgh and San Diego 12th with 95, Carolina tied for 15th with 94, Minnesota 16th with 90

Atlanta and Philly were the only teams in the playoffs to finish in the top-10 for fewest penalties.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

whats it say about your offensive coaching abilities when you lose a guy that caught all of 28 passes in 11 or 12 games, and it sinks your offense?

Whoever wants to bring Chan back here needs a noggin' examination!!!

I'm not ready to get rid of ole red boy just yet. I think there's alot more wrong with the offense than his playcalling and play design. I can't sit here and believe that he just forgot how to coach/gameplan from last year to this year. Maybe Garrett just doesn't trust the dumb players on the offense? I don't really have any answers for it. Just mind boggling!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It's been so long that i'd completely forgotten that he had Irvin on the pine in obvious passing situations.

I also had forgotten all about Mills.

 

[PBJTime]

OK, we led the league with 119 penalties.

Tennessee was 4th with 108, Arizona 5th with 107, Baltimore 7th with 103, NYG 8th with 102, Pittsburgh and San Diego 12th with 95, Carolina tied for 15th with 94, Minnesota 16th with 90

Atlanta and Philly were the only teams in the playoffs to finish in the top-10 for fewest penalties.

Surely you would look at more than just one year if we are trying to figure out a correlation? I thought somebody had a correlation coefficient or something.

Some of those teams like Carolina and Minnesota are middle of the road in penalties and not exactly proof that there is no correlation. Middle of the road could be considered doing well in penalties depending on if you are a glass half full or glass half empty type of guy/girl. I don't have the stats in front of me and couldn't find them in my brief search but I know the Raiders are always fairly high in penalties and they almost always suck.

I don't know, I just find it hard to swallow that there are roughly 1000 missing yards because of penalties and that has NO bearing on our winning percentage. That just doesn't make sense. If I had the time and capability, I'd go back and count how many drives we sustained for opposing teams and how many we killed of our own because of penalties. I know there were plenty.

 

[Venger]

Sweet Christ, if Dave Campo and Chan Gailey were such underappreciated diamonds, why didn't another team snatch them up to be head coaches? Chan went back to GTech where he racked up a consistent one game over .500 record every year, and lost to Georgia, which of course just made Tech fans hate him more. Another big backslappin' Southern Dummy that can go duck huntin' with Jerreh, or at least score some Wild Turkey in a paper bag with him.

This team hasn't had a legitimate coach - I mean one who ever did anything - since Barry It's Loaded Switzer, and he merely rode the animated corpse of Jimmy's teams. Ever since, Jerreh keeps throwing trying to throw talent together and hire a coach who won't overshadow him, praying to the Dark Lord of the Underworld to take his soul for just one more SB to validate him as the real source of our success.

Dear Baalzebub - collect on that trade any time now.

 

[theogt]

Not to argue but I'd like to see the numbers for this. It just defies common sense. Like I said, I'm not saying you're wrong, but this goes against what one would think. They certainly don't help anything or correlate to winning.

There have been more than a few games where drives were killed by penalties. Or, we gave the other team a first down because of penalties, which resulted in us losing. I can't see how there's almost no correlation with winning percentage.

I can send you my excel file that I did the correlation study in. There's a correlation coefficient of 0.031088244 between winning percentage and total number of penalties. That's almost no correlation whatsoever.

 

[PBJTime]

I can send you my excel file that I did the correlation study in. There's a correlation coefficient of 0.031088244 between winning percentage and total number of penalties. That's almost no correlation whatsoever.

Good enough.

It's just one of those things that make you go hmmmm. It's funny how some things just seem to defy common sense.

 

[theogt]

Good enough.

It's just one of those things that make you go hmmmm. It's funny how some things just seem to defy common sense.

Well, if you think about it in terms of the 25th (102 penalties) and 75th (78 penalties) percentile, that's a difference of 24 penalties over 16 games. That's less than a 2 penalty per game difference, which doesn't seem like much to me. The overall difference between a good and bad team should surely overcome a penalty or two a game.

 

[Extreme]

Great teams overcome penalties, period. The year Gannon took Oakland to the SB, they almost broke their NFL record for penalties in a season, so they mean nothing if you're strong enough to overcome them.

 

[PBJTime]

Well, if you think about it in terms of the 25th (102 penalties) and 75th (78 penalties) percentile, that's a difference of 24 penalties over 16 games. That's less than a 2 penalty per game difference, which doesn't seem like much to me. The overall difference between a good and bad team should surely overcome a penalty or two a game.

See, now that makes perfect sense. Thanks for taking time to explain it to me. Sometimes, it just takes a different perspective for me to see things.

 

[The Curly One]

A good team does overcome a few penalties, a REALLY good team does not committ them.

 

[dcfanatic]

Also, number of penalties has almost no correlation with winning percentage in the NFL.

291 penalty yards in the 4th quarter.

2nd in the NFL.

This team is dumb and undisciplined.