Interesting OL Stat...

[Zaxor]

Ok so if a team is one dimensional then what happens? I can spell this out for you but clearly percyhoward has provided the evidence with his stats and numbers as to what happened last season.

you mean like GB tell me what happened?

 

[Bluestang]

you mean like GB tell me what happened?

In regards to what, the playoffs?

2:1 pass/run ratio with 4 turnovers. 3 fumbles/1 int

 

[Zaxor]

In regards to what, the playoffs?

2:1 pass/run ratio with 4 turnovers. 3 fumbles/1 int

and what does those stats tell you

 

[CCBoy]

to make a team one dimensional

do teams actually go against GB saying we got to stop the run?

I always kept a nail in my helmet liner band for adjustments. You are hitting target, as usual.

Such additions, as the team ran the ball well while Demarco Murray was healthy...and keeping a team one dimensional pushes things back to the advantages in herited in the team pushing things to render an attack more in line with those strengths of their own. Lol...

That covers much more of a game than specialty cases that remove the bulk of play during that game.

As to running for TD's, what if a team hits the paydirt frequently in longer developing pass plays? Those hit at target assumptions chained to a narrow view as well, again....lol.

 

[Bluestang]

and what does those stats tell you

They got predictable with the pass and fumbled the game away. If all it takes is a 4-man rush you are doing something pretty good on defense.

People love to complain about the play calling here but based on our lack of production in the running game, especially in the redzone, where does Garrett even get the slightest confidence that the OL was going to open holes for Murray or Jones?

 

[CCBoy]

They got predictable with the pass and fumbled the game away. If all it takes is a 4-man rush you are doing something pretty good on defense.

People love to complain about the play calling here but based on our lack of production in the running game, especially in the redzone, where does Garrett even get the slightest confidence that the OL was going to open holes for Murray or Jones?

This consideration is tough to plug back into the equation due to recent developments. That including the release of Kosier, Holland, and Dockens...and the return of Demarco Murray and Phillip Tanner to health. Then add in newly implanted guards - Mackenzy Bernadeau and Nate Livings to the line mix. Then tack on a flip between Doug Free and Tyron Smith. This, while blocking TE Martellus Bennett inked with the Giants...

Faith in play has to be re-established now, with Bill Callahan on board as well.

 

[Bluestang]

This consideration is tough to plug back into the equation due to recent developments. That including the release of Kosier, Holland, and Dockens...and the return of Demarco Murray and Phillip Tanner to health. Then add in newly implanted guards - Mackenzy Bernadeau and Nate Livings to the line mix. Then tack on a flip between Doug Free and Tyron Smith. This, while blocking TE Martellus Bennett inked with the Giants...

Faith in play has to be re-established now, with Bill Callahan on board as well.

Absolutely correct but the churn at the OL personnel says two things, we want to get younger but not too young. Second it also says that the guard position was entirely the problem.

 

[Zaxor]

I always kept a nail in my helmet liner band for adjustments. You are hitting target, as usual.

Such additions, as the team ran the ball well while Demarco Murray was healthy...and keeping a team one dimensional pushes things back to the advantages in herited in the team pushing things to render an attack more in line with those strengths of their own. Lol...

That covers much more of a game than specialty cases that remove the bulk of play during that game.

As to running for TD's, what if a team hits the paydirt frequently in longer developing pass plays? Those hit at target assumptions chained to a narrow view as well, again....lol.

This consideration is tough to plug back into the equation due to recent developments. That including the release of Kosier, Holland, and Dockens...and the return of Demarco Murray and Phillip Tanner to health. Then add in newly implanted guards - Mackenzy Bernadeau and Nate Livings to the line mix. Then tack on a flip between Doug Free and Tyron Smith. This, while blocking TE Martellus Bennett inked with the Giants...

Faith in play has to be re-established now, with Bill Callahan on board as well.

as usual spot on my friend

 

[Zaxor]

They got predictable with the pass and fumbled the game away. If all it takes is a 4-man rush you are doing something pretty good on defense.

People love to complain about the play calling here but based on our lack of production in the running game, especially in the redzone, where does Garrett even get the slightest confidence that the OL was going to open holes for Murray or Jones?

I am not sure you have an understanding of what we are saying friend...if a defense is selling out on stopping the run does it make sense to run anyway...see the stats are not going to show you that along with so many things else it doesn't show...that using them to blindly say because A is that and B is this than C has to be D is looking at things in a very narrow space and not taking in enough of the variables

 

[Zaxor]

Absolutely correct but the churn at the OL personnel says two things, we want to get younger but not too young. Second it also says that the guard position was entirely the problem.

see I disagree if you want stats look at where the Cowboys guards rated last year they were not nearly as bad as most folk are making them out to be...

now center was rated extremely low

so if you love stats than you might want to reassess where you put the blame.

 

[Zaxor]

They got predictable with the pass and fumbled the game away. If all it takes is a 4-man rush you are doing something pretty good on defense.

People love to complain about the play calling here but based on our lack of production in the running game, especially in the redzone, where does Garrett even get the slightest confidence that the OL was going to open holes for Murray or Jones?

what that tells me most is turnovers will cost you a game.

 

[IrishAnto]

how many points did they give up?
thanks for making my points for me.

we gave up 34, 37, 20, 31.

over 30 ppg allowed....

in the 20-9 philly game we played basic ball because it was meaningless as week 17 would determine the division. we avg 34 ppg against in games that meant something against our two competitors for the nfce title.

and as to your last point that is just your opinion and also flies in the face of football wisdom.

Thanks for avoiding the question

 

[percyhoward]

team A passes the ball in the redzone 3 times and missed getting a TD they wind up getting a FG... next time they are in the redzone they may run it 3 times and get a TD<----that doesn't necessarily mean they should run it more in the redzone...there could have been a breakdown in communication on the defenses part or a defender could have slipped down (too many moving parts keep that in mind) and as far as why they didn't get a TD when passing well WR ran wrong route, defense made a perfect call for the play, there was a penalty on one play (too many moving part keep that in mind)....when you start trying to break down NFL games by using stats alone...you take away far too many key elements to make a accurate assessment... that is why it isn't done in the NFL like it is in MLB...oh you can use some stats to help guide you but with football there are far too many moving parts to get an accurate assessment what is going on with stats that is why the coaches tell you they have to look at film just like we are telling you ..you have to look at the game....

While that sometimes applies to individual games, it loses meaning when applied over the course of an entire season. After so many games of the same result, one after another, you start to run out of mitigating circumstances, and begin to reach the conclusion that we just can't run the ball in the red zone.

10 extra touchdowns adds up to an extra 70 points over the course of a season. What would have to happen in each individual game for those TD to have been scored, (the circumstances surrounding each touchdown) don't change that fact.

 

[Zaxor]

While that sometimes applies to individual games, it loses meaning when applied over the course of an entire season. After so many games of the same result, one after another, you start to run out of mitigating circumstances, and begin to reach the conclusion that we just can't run the ball in the red zone.

10 extra touchdowns adds up to an extra 70 points over the course of a season. What would have to happen in each individual game for those TD to have been scored, (the circumstances surrounding each touchdown) don't change that fact.

not really Percy if a team thinks you have a tendency to run once your team is in the redzone it may sell out to stop the run and that may run its course through the league you are looking for averages where their may be none...far too many moving parts...to use stats as your sole guide can't work that is why it has to be done within the context of any particular game

 

[Zimmy Lives]

see I disagree if you want stats look at where the Cowboys guards rated last year they were not nearly as bad as most folk are making them out to be...

now center was rated extremely low

so if you love stats than you might want to reassess where you put the blame.

Rated low by whom? Cowboys coaches? Red Ball? Callahan? Or average Joes like us who sit around on their brains all day trying to create ideas, concepts and formulas that incite or illicit a response?

I try not to see things so simplistically but I think it's all about one guy beating the guy in front of him. Bottom line is Dallas' boys did not do that so well on a consistent basis so the Cowboys are trying to make improvements. We'll see how well they addressed the issue this season.

 

[Zaxor]

Rated low by whom? Cowboys coaches? Red Ball? Callahan? Or average Joes like us who sit around on their brains all day trying to create ideas, concepts and formulas that incite or illicit a response?

I try not to see things so simplistically but I think it's all about one guy beating the guy in front of him. Bottom line is Dallas' boys did not do that so well on a consistent basis so the Cowboys are trying to make improvements. We'll see how well they addressed the issue this season.

PFF I believe is the rating I seen

 

[percyhoward]

Such additions, as the team ran the ball well while Demarco Murray was healthy...and keeping a team one dimensional pushes things back to the advantages in herited in the team pushing things to render an attack more in line with those strengths of their own. Lol...

That covers much more of a game than specialty cases that remove the bulk of play during that game.

"Specialty cases that remove the bulk of play during that game?"

Our backs scored 3 red zone TD the entire season.

These are season splits:
Murray
17 red zone carries, 2.1 YPC, 1 TD

Bradshaw
24 red zone carries, 3.8 YPC, 9 TD

We did not run well in the red zone, even when Murray was helathy.

As to running for TD's, what if a team hits the paydirt frequently in longer developing pass plays? Those hit at target assumptions chained to a narrow view as well, again....lol.

Broaden the view to total touchdowns, then. We were 12th in the league.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

PFF I believe is the rating I seen

Thanks for clarifying. I don't know anything about PFF.

Do they offer anything else but ratings? For example, do they imply that a guy like Costa is maxed out in his potential or did he make any noticeable improvement over the course of a season? Do they make comparisons (good or bad) to any other center following his first full year at center? Just curious.

 

[Zaxor]

"Specialty cases that remove the bulk of play during that game?"

Our backs scored 3 red zone TD the entire season.

These are season splits:
Murray
17 red zone carries, 2.1 YPC, 1 TD

Bradshaw
24 red zone carries, 3.8 YPC, 9 TD

We did not run well in the red zone, even when Murray was helathy.


Broaden the view to total touchdowns, then. We were 12th in the league.

we didn't do a lot of things well last year no doubt...

but it still doesn't tell us that is why we lost the game...

You can believe those stats if you wish Percy

but I am telling you if you do not look at it in the context of the game and every thing that goes with it it is never going to be an accurate assessment of what happened or why one team won and one team didn't. I'm sorry friend I can't possible explain it any better than that I just am not smart enough nor good enough with words to make it any clearer...

So I will just take my dumb butt to a different thread and post something stupid there

 

[Zaxor]

Thanks for clarifying. I don't know anything about PFF.

Do they offer anything else but ratings? For example, do they imply that a guy like Costa is maxed out in his potential or did he make any noticeable improvement over the course of a season? Do they make comparisons (good or bad) to any other center following his first full year at center? Just curious.

no they don't they just judge the players on run and pass blocking junk like that tangible stuff they can grab

but I imagine on somethings they may have to guess who's responsibility it was so its accuracy can legitimately be questioned