Interesting quote about Left Tackle...

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This was taken from the link WoodysGirl provided in a previous thread. I thought it interesting.

First, do you agree?

Second, what does this say about Flozell? Romo? And/or our need to draft a Left Tackle in the 1st round?

• "Look at (Colts OLT) Charlie Johnson. The guy is not even 6-foot-4 and he has 32-inch arms. The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. You can get away with an average athlete (starting at left tackle) when you have a great quarterback sitting behind him. Those quarterbacks get rid of the ball so fast. They make the line. It was the same with Mark Tauscher in Green Bay. He is a survivor, an average player who sat in front of a great quarterback. Now, it works the other way, too — if you don't have a great QB, you better have a damn good line."


In my opinion, I don't neccessarily agree with the scout. I don't question a bona-fide NFL scout knows more about football than I do . . . but I don't think you can diminish the value of a quality LT, while using arguably the two best quarterbacks in the game, both of whom run an incredibly wide open, fast paced, quick drop offensive system.
 

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I think Flo played the entire season without the Romo Kids crying... If Romo didn't choke away the first quarter v the Vikes maybe his team wouldn't quit! I agree with the scout, ita a nice way of saying great QBs make players around him better!



Mark Tuinei wasn't much of a player until Troy started playing!
 

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But who wants to "get by" at such an important position.

Teams have won Superbowls by just "getting by" at the QB position but who on earth would reccomend that for any type of long term success?



Thats a position you want quality at plain and simple.
 

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Look at the performance of our offensive line in 2006 pre-Romo and with Romo at QB. It's not as if the offensive line suddenly stepped up its game when Romo came in. He made people suddenly forget that offensive line was an issue. There is a chicken and egg situation going on at every position -- QB/WR, DL/DB, RB/OL, etc. -- that's why it's a TEAM game.
 

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Didn't the Colts trade a future first to move up for Tony Ugoh only to watch him flunk out at LT?

Wasn't Bushrod only in because their real LT was injured?

If it doesn't matter because they have Peyton, why not keep your 1st rounder and why not start Bushrod from the start?

Romo's escapability certainly makes our line look pretty good at the times when they're struggling, that's for sure, but doesn't mean you don't need talented players.
 

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The O-Line needs to buy time for a QB and for the receivers to get open on deep routes. The QB can make an O-Line look better with a quick release, pocket awareness, and good footwork. The Receivers can make both the O-Line and QB look good by running good routes and working to get open. When you have all 3 in place you have a great passing game.

The other part of pass protection is the TEs & RBs. If your TEs & RBs are adept at picking up blitzers then the QB has more time to read and throw. If not, you may have the best O-Line in the league and your QB still gets killed.

Romo does a very good job of buying time with his pocket awareness and ability to avoid the rush and still make plays. He also has a pretty quick release.

I think our biggest problems are:

1. Roy Williams - He does not run good routes and does not work to get open. Considering his size, he is easy to jam at the line and doesn't do much to get past the defender. He gives up too easily as well. When you watch him and Austin you see two completely different receivers at work. Austin doesn't give up on his route when he gets jammed and works hard to get open. Williams doesn't.

2. O-Line intelligence - We have a very big, strong, athletic O-Line overall that does a good job one-on-one against a DL. They do not do a very good job of reading and picking up stunts and blitzes. I don't know if this is on Gurode as the O-Line playcaller or on all of them to some extent. Landry always looked for a combination of athleticism and intelligence in his players, particularly on the O-Line. I think we focus too much on size and strength and not enough on intelligence with our OLs.

3. TEs & RBs not picking up blitzes - People underestimate the value of Emmitt Smith as a pass protector. He bought Aikman time consistently with his ability to read the blitz and make the block. This, IMO, elevates him to the #1 spot all-time as a RB over Jim Brown and Walter Payton. Payton was also good at pass blocking but not as good as Emmitt, who was the best non-FB I've ever seen at it. Moose Johnston was also excellent at it so Troy had a lot of time on most deep pass plays and it wasn't just due to the O-Line.

Witten has become one of the best blocking TEs in the game and I believe this elevates him to a tie with Tony Gonzalez as the best TEs in the game today. Gates is probably a better receiver but is nowhere near as good in pass protection as Witten. I though John Phillips did a very good job for us but Bennett is a poor blocker.

Unfortunately the rotation at RB has hindered them from getting into a flow at pass protection during the game. Choice has the potential to be a very good blocker but he needs more playing time to become consistent at it. Barber can be good but has mental lapses at times. Felix is not there yet but has his moments. Deon Anderson had far to many missed blocks and should not be brought back in 2010.

Our best pass protection schemes were when we used Witten or Phillips in the backfield as an H-Back but then that takes one of our better receivers out of the pattern. We need a good blocking FB that is big enough to take on LBs and DEs and quick enough to get from one side to the other as needed, and smart enough to know who to pick up.

4. Playcalling - I think we have too many plays that take too long to develop, both in the run game and the passing game. The quick hits worked well for us and opened up the deeper plays when our receivers could work a double move on the defenders. Unfortunately, Roy is not good at selling the short route and getting the defender to bite on the first move so he doesn't get open much. Austin does it very well and Crayton & Hurd are getting better at it. Crayton got open a number of times on that type of play.

Garrett needs to be better at mixing up his plays and going deep at times. He kind of got away from the deep pass altogether late in the season as guys weren't getting open and teams were blitzing like crazy.

The bottom line is that it is not just one area or one player that is the key, they all need to work together to make it work. Yes, you can have an extraordinary player at one position that can make everyone else look better but no one, regardless of how good they are, can do it by themselves. The greatest QB in the world cannot win games without the rest of the team being at least better than average.

Peyton Manning has a very good O-Line in front of him and Jeff Saturday is one of the most intelligent Centers in the game. They adjust well to stunts and blitzes and his receivers do a good job of getting open, particularly Reggie Wayne. Dallas Clark is another major weapon for him.

We were able to get to Brees and take him out of his game... until we started playing conservatively and let them back into the game. If you can put pressure on the QB, it doesn't matter how great he is, he isn't going to have the time to throw. The Colts were unable to put consistent pressure on him in the SB and the Saints beat them because of it.

Free seems to be a smart guy and just needs more experience and upper body strength to be a very solid LT for us. Gurode is a very good blocker but I think he lacks in intelligence. Not that he's stupid but that he doesn't think quickly enough for the job.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3308931 said:
This was taken from the link WoodysGirl provided in a previous thread. I thought it interesting.

First, do you agree?

Second, what does this say about Flozell? Romo? And/or our need to draft a Left Tackle in the 1st round?

• "Look at (Colts OLT) Charlie Johnson. The guy is not even 6-foot-4 and he has 32-inch arms. The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. You can get away with an average athlete (starting at left tackle) when you have a great quarterback sitting behind him. Those quarterbacks get rid of the ball so fast. They make the line. It was the same with Mark Tauscher in Green Bay. He is a survivor, an average player who sat in front of a great quarterback. Now, it works the other way, too — if you don't have a great QB, you better have a damn good line."


In my opinion, I don't neccessarily agree with the scout. I don't question a bona-fide NFL scout knows more about football than I do . . . but I don't think you can diminish the value of a quality LT, while using arguably the two best quarterbacks in the game, both of whom run an incredibly wide open, fast paced, quick drop offensive system.

In order for the QB to get rid of the ball quickly, Receivers need to be open, need to run exact routes, and need to catch the ball when it isn't a perfect throw. For the Cowboys, only Austin comes close to this requirement, and he is still learning the position. Witten comes close, but isn't the speedster a team needs for the #2 receiver position.
 

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Green Bay? Is he talkin' Favre? Cause I believe Rodgers was up there in sackage, no?
 

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To each their own.

We need better quality play across the O-Line, not just at LT, but I'd certainly like to see the quality of play picked up there.

Which doesn't mean I hate Flo or anything. I've been a fan and think he's been a really quality LT. I just think his time is running out.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3308931 said:
This was taken from the link WoodysGirl provided in a previous thread. I thought it interesting.

First, do you agree?

Second, what does this say about Flozell? Romo? And/or our need to draft a Left Tackle in the 1st round?

• "Look at (Colts OLT) Charlie Johnson. The guy is not even 6-foot-4 and he has 32-inch arms. The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. You can get away with an average athlete (starting at left tackle) when you have a great quarterback sitting behind him. Those quarterbacks get rid of the ball so fast. They make the line. It was the same with Mark Tauscher in Green Bay. He is a survivor, an average player who sat in front of a great quarterback. Now, it works the other way, too — if you don't have a great QB, you better have a damn good line."


In my opinion, I don't neccessarily agree with the scout. I don't question a bona-fide NFL scout knows more about football than I do . . . but I don't think you can diminish the value of a quality LT, while using arguably the two best quarterbacks in the game, both of whom run an incredibly wide open, fast paced, quick drop offensive system.

The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. Don't forget the Colts were roughing Brees up early...until an injured Freeney could no longer get it done. The vikings didn't have such problems against Dallas and arguably were the better team against the Saints.
 

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Seven;3309017 said:
Green Bay? Is he talkin' Favre? Cause I believe Rodgers was up there in sackage, no?
I think Rodgers may have led the league in sacks...not sure though.
 

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My limited knowledge and common sense tells me you can usually cover for an average line by providing help where needed; however, if you have a strong line, not only is your running game better, but not needing to give the OT's much help opens up your offense with more possibilities.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3308931 said:
This was taken from the link WoodysGirl provided in a previous thread. I thought it interesting.

First, do you agree?

Second, what does this say about Flozell? Romo? And/or our need to draft a Left Tackle in the 1st round?

• "Look at (Colts OLT) Charlie Johnson. The guy is not even 6-foot-4 and he has 32-inch arms. The Saints won a Super Bowl with (backup OLT) Jermon Bushrod on the left side. You can get away with an average athlete (starting at left tackle) when you have a great quarterback sitting behind him. Those quarterbacks get rid of the ball so fast. They make the line. It was the same with Mark Tauscher in Green Bay. He is a survivor, an average player who sat in front of a great quarterback. Now, it works the other way, too — if you don't have a great QB, you better have a damn good line."


In my opinion, I don't neccessarily agree with the scout. I don't question a bona-fide NFL scout knows more about football than I do . . . but I don't think you can diminish the value of a quality LT, while using arguably the two best quarterbacks in the game, both of whom run an incredibly wide open, fast paced, quick drop offensive system.

So Flo has made Romo?
 

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fortdick;3309150 said:
So Flo has made Romo?

Hardly. Romo is like having a 6th offensive lineman. He generally makes the first guy miss and extends the play long enough to throw it away or dump it off.

The problem with the Vikings game is that Gurode was playing on a bum knee, Columbo was still not 100%, and then Flo went out and there just wasn't anywhere for Tony to scramble.

Assuming Gurode and Columbo can gut it out another year or two, the Boys need to see if Free is a real LT and get some insurance inside for both Kosier and Gurode.
 

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IgorTheMan99;3309522 said:
Hardly. Romo is like having a 6th offensive lineman. He generally makes the first guy miss and extends the play long enough to throw it away or dump it off.
The problem with the Vikings game is that Gurode was playing on a bum knee, Columbo was still not 100%, and then Flo went out and there just wasn't anywhere for Tony to scramble.

Assuming Gurode and Columbo can gut it out another year or two, the Boys need to see if Free is a real LT and get some insurance inside for both Kosier and Gurode.

That's a damn shame IMO. Could we imagine just how good this kid could be if he had better protection?
 

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I guess not many people remember what happened when Bledosoe was behind center..how quickly some forget..:bang2: :banghead: :bang2: :banghead:
 

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You can get away with one average to mediocre LT, but you're not going to get away with two mediocre tackes. The Saints don't have that. Other than that, the only guy that can get away with it is Peyton Manning, who is really an exception to the rule.

I like Free at our LT next year.




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If we don't draft a tackle in the 1st 4 rounds I will flip out...
 

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Peyton Manning has built his entire career on getting the ball out as fast as possible. The whole offense is built that way. No other team in the NFL is like that. So using him as an example just shows the ignorance of that scout- who probably is not someone that knows the O line.
Bushrod started because their STARTER AT LT was on Injured Reserve.
And Freeny was doing a good job at getting pressure until his ankle just could not allow him to push off. Imagine an UNINJURED Freeny.
 

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CowboyFan74;3309741 said:
If we don't draft a tackle in the 1st 4 rounds I will flip out...
If they think Brewster is a current backup RT/potential longterm answer at RT, then I think you're going to be flipping out, because it seems obvious they're not drafting a left tackle high.
 
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