Interesting Sirius NFL Interview regarding QBs

[Verdict]

I was listening to one of the "draft experts" on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday who was commenting on this draft class of top tier NFL QBs. His opinion was that none of the quarterbacks in this class is worthy of a top 10 pick. In fact he said that based upon talent/NFL readiness that the top QB in this class should go off the board no higher than #15. He of course implied that they would probably be drafted above that point because of position scarcity, but that they did not warrant a higher pick.

He also said that there are clear holes in each QB's game that will be problematic for the team that drafts them. He indicated that if he were an NFL coach that he would also shy away from drafting them so high due to the expectations that come with being a top 10 pick. He said if you could get them at 15 or lower that fans' (and ownership's) expectations seem to be a bit more tempered and forgiving of a coach when he is grooming a pick in the middle rounds than a top 5 or 10 pick. He essentially implied that this group of QB's have a high potential to be "coach killers".

As for Manziel he stated that Manziel cannot be a successful NFL quaterback IF they try to make him mold his game to be a pocket passer. If Manziel is to be successful the coach must allow the pocket to be mobile and allow him to do rollouts and beat you with his legs to some degree. He opined that otherwise he will be a failure.

Don't kill the messenger ...... just sharing one draft "expert's" opinions as I understand then.

 

[Rockport]

I was listening to one of the "draft experts" on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday who was commenting on this draft class of top tier NFL QBs. His opinion was that none of the quarterbacks in this class is worthy of a top 10 pick. In fact he said that based upon talent/NFL readiness that the top QB in this class should go off the board no higher than #15. He of course implied that they would probably be drafted above that point because of position scarcity, but that they did not warrant a higher pick.

He also said that there are clear holes in each QB's game that will be problematic for the team that drafts them. He indicated that if he were an NFL coach that he would also shy away from drafting them so high due to the expectations that come with being a top 10 pick. He said if you could get them at 15 or lower that fans' (and ownership's) expectations seem to be a bit more tempered and forgiving of a coach when he is grooming a pick in the middle rounds than a top 5 or 10 pick. He essentially implied that this group of QB's have a high potential to be "coach killers".

As for Manziel he stated that Manziel cannot be a successful NFL quaterback IF they try to make him mold his game to be a pocket passer. If Manziel is to be successful the coach must allow the pocket to be mobile and allow him to do rollouts and beat you with his legs to some degree. He opined that otherwise he will be a failure.

Don't kill the messenger ...... just sharing one draft "expert's" opinions as I understand then.

That was your first mistake. 99% of the national media NFL talking heads have an agenda and that is sales. They'll always talk topics they feel will get a rise out of the audience. Most folks buy it hook line and sinker.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Put this year's crop of QBs in the 2012 NFL draft and they'd be mid to late round picks.

 

[Zordon]

Well if that happens a lot of our targets will get taken early.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

if he was a draft expert...some team would be paying him a good chunk of change...he's not so he's just commentating.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I doubt any of them fall A-Rod style but I can definitely see one of the 3 falling to us at 16 and reaping the benefits of having an eager trade partner. I'd gladly trade back from 16 to swap firsts and pick up another 2nd, especially in a year with such a deep draft class.

 

[DoctorChicken]

That was your first mistake. 99% of the national media NFL talking heads have an agenda and that is sales. They'll always talk topics they feel will get a rise out of the audience. Most folks buy it hook line and sinker.

While I agree with you, I also agree with the "experts".

I've watched tape on all the op QBs in this draft, and the only one I would take in the 1st is Bridgewater. Maybe, maybe Bortles.

Of course, the NFLN and ESPN have a lot of "casual fans" watching that only value QBs and WRs, not Lineman, which have the most affect on the outcome of the game.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I was listening to one of the "draft experts" on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday who was commenting on this draft class of top tier NFL QBs. His opinion was that none of the quarterbacks in this class is worthy of a top 10 pick. In fact he said that based upon talent/NFL readiness that the top QB in this class should go off the board no higher than #15. He of course implied that they would probably be drafted above that point because of position scarcity, but that they did not warrant a higher pick.

He also said that there are clear holes in each QB's game that will be problematic for the team that drafts them. He indicated that if he were an NFL coach that he would also shy away from drafting them so high due to the expectations that come with being a top 10 pick. He said if you could get them at 15 or lower that fans' (and ownership's) expectations seem to be a bit more tempered and forgiving of a coach when he is grooming a pick in the middle rounds than a top 5 or 10 pick. He essentially implied that this group of QB's have a high potential to be "coach killers".

As for Manziel he stated that Manziel cannot be a successful NFL quaterback IF they try to make him mold his game to be a pocket passer. If Manziel is to be successful the coach must allow the pocket to be mobile and allow him to do rollouts and beat you with his legs to some degree. He opined that otherwise he will be a failure.

Don't kill the messenger ...... just sharing one draft "expert's" opinions as I understand then.

I have no problem with any of that. If I had a top 10 pick I would not. Looking qb. Good chance at least one of the projected 1st round quarterbacks fall to the early 2nd, and I would not pass up a Clowney/Watkins/etc. For a qb i'm not 100% on..

 

[brymatt94]

It was only about five months ago that this was supposed to be the deepest QB class we've had in the last decade.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I agree with that draft expert and so should all the teams picking before Dallas. Blake Bortles could be very legit if he can take a year or two to learn the nuances of being an NFL QB.

 

[burmafrd]

Depends on who this 'expert' was. With Sirius you can get guys like Ross Tucker who played OL and really understands it and explains it well.
Then you get idiots like Schein.

Jim Miller is a former NFL QB who is able to explain things well as regards QB play. Would be interesting to see his take on this crop.

But I also agree with most who think that there are no real top QBs this year. Certainly no one like Luck.

Really not sure I would use a first round pick on any of them

 

[DanTanna]

So Manzeil throws 73%+ completion rate FROM THE POCKET at 9.6 yards per throw and there is no way he can be a success in the pros. So long Teddy, Bortles AND Luck for that matter. Lazy reporting is lazy.

 

[Verdict]

So Manzeil throws 73%+ completion rate FROM THE POCKET at 9.6 yards per throw and there is no way he can be a success in the pros. So long Teddy, Bortles AND Luck for that matter. Lazy reporting is lazy.

Are you suggesting he will have the same stats in the pro game? My guess is probably not. If you do believe that I think the smart money would be loading up against you on that issue.

I believe that lack of height is not insurmountable, but it would not be, generally speaking, an advantage in most cases. Johnny Football's demeanor is a bit of a red flag, or a red herring..... it depends on who you ask.

 

[Verdict]

That was your first mistake. 99% of the national media NFL talking heads have an agenda and that is sales. They'll always talk topics they feel will get a rise out of the audience. Most folks buy it hook line and sinker.

I actually disagree. Your comment suggests that the NFL network guys are much like Randy Galloway. Generally speaking, they tend to be much more reasonable and objective than the Randy Galloway types.

The guy that I was referring to in my OP was a guest speaker.... not a sensationalist. He was just giving his take on things. I'm not sure if he is right or wrong, but I don't think he was trying to be polarizing at all.

 

[Verdict]

That was your first mistake. 99% of the national media NFL talking heads have an agenda and that is sales. They'll always talk topics they feel will get a rise out of the audience. Most folks buy it hook line and sinker.

Do you disagree with this assessment? Do you think there is an Andrew Luck in this group?

 

[Verdict]

I agree with that draft expert and so should all the teams picking before Dallas. Blake Bortles could be very legit if he can take a year or two to learn the nuances of being an NFL QB.

The commentator though that Bortles had potential. He said the main problem with Bortles is that he only throws after the receiver has made his break, and that won't work on a consistent basis in the NFL. He said as an NFL QB that you have to anticipate the break..... and the receiver coming open.... because the window for the completion is so much smaller in the NFL. He said he thinks Bortles needs more time to develop and that is why he is not worthy of a top 15 pick.

 

[Verdict]

It was only about five months ago that this was supposed to be the deepest QB class we've had in the last decade.

That may still be the case. Who knows. But I don't know if there are any Andrew Lucks in this class.

 

[skinsscalper]

Depends on who this 'expert' was. With Sirius you can get guys like Ross Tucker who played OL and really understands it and explains it well.
Then you get idiots like Schein.

Jim Miller is a former NFL QB who is able to explain things well as regards QB play. Would be interesting to see his take on this crop.

But I also agree with most who think that there are no real top QBs this year. Certainly no one like Luck.

Really not sure I would use a first round pick on any of them

Miller believes Bortles will have the most successful pro career.

 

[Alexander]

This has been the stupidest QB draft year ever. It seems that there are changing opinions like the wind blows, most of the time without any sense.

The most insane thing is the idea that Bridgewater suddenly became a terrible QB between January and early April. Who actually counts a Pro Day more than years of starting?

Then you see people like Gil Brandt touting players like Tom Savage and Keith Wenning as 2nd/3rd round talent now.

I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

 

[Alexander]

Do you disagree with this assessment? Do you think there is an Andrew Luck in this group?

If there was, there would be no discussion. But that still does not mean none of the other top QBs can't play. I saw this as a good QB year at the conclusion of the college season and I still feel that way. Just remember NFL GMs actually chose players like Tim Tebow and Christian Ponder in the first round.