Interesting Stat Regarding RBs/Zone Blocking

[AzorAhai]

I guess what was said about McFadden in a ZBS was right.

 

[50cent]

Why don't we run more again?

 

[Hoofbite]

So McFadden has 42 carries for 289 yards (6.8 ypc) outside of this stat?

 

[WoodysGirl]

 

[AzorAhai]

So McFadden has 42 carries for 289 yards (6.8 ypc) outside of this stat?

Pretty much. I'm guessing with the averages, but with the small amount of carries and high ypc, I bet most, if not all his big runs came from man blocking.

 

[percyhoward]

So McFadden has 42 carries for 289 yards (6.8 ypc) outside of this stat?

With no Romo to keep defenses honest, it's probably a good thing we have McFadden around for those toss plays. With McFadden's YPC so low on zone runs, it makes me wonder what took so long to utilize those toss plays.

That said, looking at the numbers for zone runs, I wonder how much of Randle's high YPC comes from the first half of the Atlanta game (before we were running against stacked boxes), how much of McFadden's low YPC comes from being the one who usually had to face those stacked boxes, and how much of Turbin's high YPC comes from having spread out the Packers' defense with the aforementioned toss plays.

 

[Bullet22]

DMC is doing a great job with no qb and Dez to take the pressure off......factor in how many times he is tackled in the backfield, he is doing a great job...this is just another DMC hit job.....all this shows is that we can't zone block...

 

[ScipioCowboy]

DMC is doing a great job with no qb and Dez to take the pressure off......factor in how many times he is tackled in the backfield, he is doing a great job...this is just another DMC hit job.....all this shows is that we can't zone block...

Hardly. DMC was criticized for having stiff hips all the way back in college. His game has always been about power and straight-line speed. In order to run well in a zone scheme, you have to have a good cutback move. That's not DMC. It never has been.

 

[Bullet22]

Hardly. DMC was criticized for having stiff hips all the way back in college. His game has always been about power and straight-line speed. In order to run well in a zone scheme, you have to have a good cutback move. That's not DMC. It never has been.

DMC was not the problem...no he is not a waterbug type...but with 8 to 9 guys in the box.....no back is going to do the job.....Murray had a career year, with all the star's aligned perfectly....give DMC the same thing and let's then judge him..

 

[superonyx]

DMC was not the problem...no he is not a waterbug type...but with 8 to 9 guys in the box.....no back is going to do the job.....Murray had a career year, with all the star's aligned perfectly....give DMC the same thing and let's then judge him..

Murray didn't just have a career year....look at his production every year before his "career year".
He didn't just learn how to be productive his contract year.

I don't dislike McFadden. He is a player I route for. I believe his strength isn't running in a zone blocking scheme. This was the talk even before this year. I haven't seen anything to make that look false.

I hope McFadden is back next year...not as the feature back but more as a compliment. Either way he has ran hard and i wouldn't say he was the problem this year.....

I'd like to see some better receivers to compliment Dez. T Will has shown nothing and Street shouldn't even be on the roster at this point.

 

[LocimusPrime]

Murray didn't just have a career year....look at his production every year before his "career year".
He didn't just learn how to be productive his contract year.

I don't dislike McFadden. He is a player I route for. I believe his strength isn't running in a zone blocking scheme. This was the talk even before this year. I haven't seen anything to make that look false.

I hope McFadden is back next year...not as the feature back but more as a compliment. Either way he has ran hard and i wouldn't say he was the problem this year.....

I'd like to see some better receivers to compliment Dez. T Will has shown nothing and Street shouldn't even be on the roster at this point.

Well let me take a looksie at these Demarco stats so we can judge if he had a career year or not

2011. 13 games 897 yards 5.5 avg 69 yard/ game avg
2012. 10 games 663 yards 4.1 avg. 66.3 yard/ game avg
2013. 14 games 1121 yards 5.2 avg 80.1 yard/game avg
2014. 16 games 1845 yards 4.7 avg 115.3 yard/ game avg
2015. 12 games. 603 yards 3.5 avg 50.2 yard/ game avg

If you look at those stats, just circle the one that doesn't belong. I like Murray, I like McFadden, I like Turbin, I like Dunbar. I like everyone

 

[Kevinicus]

Well let me take a looksie at these Demarco stats so we can judge if he had a career year or not

2011. 13 games 897 yards 5.5 avg 69 yard/ game avg
2012. 10 games 663 yards 4.1 avg. 66.3 yard/ game avg
2013. 14 games 1121 yards 5.2 avg 80.1 yard/game avg
2014. 16 games 1845 yards 4.7 avg 115.3 yard/ game avg
2015. 12 games. 603 yards 3.5 avg 50.2 yard/ game avg

If you look at those stats, just circle the one that doesn't belong. I like Murray, I like McFadden, I like Turbin, I like Dunbar. I like everyone

That would be 2015. You're looking at total yards or yards a game. The avg is the more telling stat.

 

[reddyuta]

Some of us(cough :me) said this when he signed him.this was his problem In Oakland,now he has lost all his speed too.

 

[superonyx]

Well let me take a looksie at these Demarco stats so we can judge if he had a career year or not

2011. 13 games 897 yards 5.5 avg 69 yard/ game avg
2012. 10 games 663 yards 4.1 avg. 66.3 yard/ game avg
2013. 14 games 1121 yards 5.2 avg 80.1 yard/game avg
2014. 16 games 1845 yards 4.7 avg 115.3 yard/ game avg
2015. 12 games. 603 yards 3.5 avg 50.2 yard/ game avg

If you look at those stats, just circle the one that doesn't belong. I like Murray, I like McFadden, I like Turbin, I like Dunbar. I like everyone

It's pretty obvious... 2015.
So who on our roster is currently averaging 5.5ypc while running for 897 yards or 5.2 YPC while running for 1121 yards?
Ypc is huge when the sample size is large enough to equal 1000 yards for the season.

But I guess you only want to judge total yards and totally ignore the actual effectiveness of the runs.
Have fun with that.

 

[LocimusPrime]

It's pretty obvious... 2015.
So who on our roster is currently averaging 5.5ypc while running for 897 yards or 5.2 YPC while running for 1121 yards?
Ypc is huge when the sample size is large enough to equal 1000 yards for the season.

But I guess you only want to judge total yards and totally ignore the actual effectiveness of the runs.
Have fun with that.

Nah. Im looking at all of it. Yards per carry, yards per game, games played. The whole enchilada

 

[Beast_from_East]

Everybody and their momma knew that DMAC cant run in a zone scheme for chit........been that way his whole career.

The fact that we have used him this year in this system speaks to the stupidity of our offense coaching staff.

No wonder we are 30th in league on offense.

 

[AzorAhai]

Everybody and their momma knew that DMAC cant run in a zone scheme for chit........been that way his whole career.

The fact that we have used him this year in this system speaks to the stupidity of our offense coaching staff.

No wonder we are 30th in league on offense.

I don't really put this one on the coaching staff. The personnel outside of DMC are better at ZBS. Thats the scheme they ran and excelled at last season. The fault for that lies in the GMs office. They brought him in knowing he didn't fit well. The OL is better at Zone and thats what they should run. Now hopefully they rectify that mistake and get L. Miller this offseason and draft one of the Arkansas RBs to satisfy Jerry.

 

[texbumthelife]

With no Romo to keep defenses honest, it's probably a good thing we have McFadden around for those toss plays. With McFadden's YPC so low on zone runs, it makes me wonder what took so long to utilize those toss plays.

They've been running those toss plays since day one. Collins is the outlier on those plays. As he has gotten better, so has the effectiveness of tosses.

Now if they wiuld just abandon those zone stretch plays when McFadden is in the game...

 

[texbumthelife]

I don't really put this one on the coaching staff. The personnel outside of DMC are better at ZBS. Thats the scheme they ran and excelled at last season. The fault for that lies in the GMs office. They brought him in knowing he didn't fit well. The OL is better at Zone and thats what they should run. Now hopefully they rectify that mistake and get L. Miller this offseason and draft one of the Arkansas RBs to satisfy Jerry.

Is Miller any better in a zone scheme? Seems to have the same issues with indecisiveness that McFadden does.

 

[AzorAhai]

Is Miller any better in a zone scheme? Seems to have the same issues with indecisiveness that McFadden does.

I think he would be a better option. I'm not sure what DMC sees, but I think his issues are mostly physical. His body type and hips just don't let him hit a cutback, or really even a cut. He's about as straight line a runner as I've ever seen and with long strides to boot.

Miller doesn't have any of those physical downfalls. He can make a cut on a dime and still burst through a cutback lane. I think he has the vision/decisiveness to run in a ZBS, but he's had some hesitation in his reads at times. I can't help but wonder how his usage affects him there though. Maybe trying to do to much with his limited opportunities. Imo, we could give him 20-25 touches a game and he would excel here.