Interesting take for those wanting Myles Jack at 4

[texbumthelife]

Every draft is different and so is this one as we should all be learning by now.

That is why it is a bit of a stretch to say Player X is worth it and players at position Y are not worth taking in the top 10, etc.

Right now, it still needs some fleshing out in terms of value and pecking order. Which I am sure will start happening soon.

My guess is, for the few plays a game they're in their base 4-3 alignment, Jack would go to MLB like Brooks did sometimes for the Buccs. He is going to have to fight through traffic a little more than he is used to, but he could steal be a great player. They'll likely keep from running many stunts or slants while in that formation, to try and keep bodies off of Jack--which isn't all that different than they do now honestly.

 

[Alexander]

My guess is, for the few plays a game they're in their base 4-3 alignment, Jack would go to MLB like Brooks did sometimes for the Buccs. He is going to have to fight through traffic a little more than he is used to, but he could steal be a great player. They'll likely keep from running many stunts or slants while in that formation, to try and keep bodies off of Jack--which isn't all that different than they do now honestly.

I love these contingency plans we have for several prospects we might draft in the top five.

Well, with Jack, we will move him here, then move him here.

With Ramsey, he could do this but then again, it all depends, he could do this.

This is just insane and unfortunate.

 

[tm1119]

I love these contingency plans we have for several prospects we might draft in the top five.

Well, with Jack, we will move him here, then move him here.

With Ramsey, he could do this but then again, it all depends, he could do this.

This is just insane and unfortunate.

Myles Jack is a LB. It's really not that confusing, stick him in the middle of the field and watch him make plays. The only contingency would be to get a decent DT who won't be in the LB's lap on every play like Hayden

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I cannot say I recall the particulars of that one.

Wasn't that the draft where 2 guards when higher than ever before? Warmack and Cooper. I remember Cooper being very unique for a guard. Neither turned out to be very good.

 

[texbumthelife]

I love these contingency plans we have for several prospects we might draft in the top five.

Well, with Jack, we will move him here, then move him here.

With Ramsey, he could do this but then again, it all depends, he could do this.

This is just insane and unfortunate.

It's not a contingency plan. It's taking playmakers and finding a place to put them. Would you rather draft for need at every selection?

 

[Sydla]

Myles Jack College Stats don't do me much favors look at Von Millers College Sacks than look at Myles Jack.
Interesting.....very interesting !!!

Miller had 33 sacks in college. Jack had one.

 

[Sydla]

I sometimes wonder if Jaylon Smith was the guy the Cowboys liked more than Jack and the Fiesta Bowl screwed up those plans.

 

[texbumthelife]

I sometimes wonder if Jaylon Smith was the guy the Cowboys liked more than Jack and the Fiesta Bowl screwed up those plans.

I think Jaylon Smith will wind up having been the best defensive player in this draft when all is said and done.

 

[sureletsrace]

I'm just trying to figure out how/why height matters so much to a LB...6'1 is considered great size for a coverage CB/S, but a LB needs to be taller for some reason? I could see if it was a Sean Lee case where he lacks bulk to stay on the field or if he was 5'9, but we're really discussing 6'1 245 as being too small? Seems like a whole lot of overthinking going on if you ask me.

Well, ultimately if you're building a "Create-A-Linebacker", you want him in the 6'3-6'5 range to see over the top of the inside of the OL and read the QB and/or watch the RB. It's like looking over a wall. It's the same reason you want a tall QB. Looking over the line.

I do agree though that it is a bit over hyped as far as a metric goes. Plenty of undersized QBs and LBs have successful careers in the NFL.

 

[CCBoy]

Well, ultimately if you're building a "Create-A-Linebacker", you want him in the 6'3-6'5 range to see over the top of the inside of the OL and read the QB and/or watch the RB. It's like looking over a wall. It's the same reason you want a tall QB. Looking over the line.

I do agree though that it is a bit over hyped as far as a metric goes. Plenty of undersized QBs and LBs have successful careers in the NFL.

Height isn't a limiting factor for Sean Lee.

 

[jterrell]

LB height is goofy.
A LB reads plays with OL in their stance. Being 5'10 is no different from 6'3" there.

What does matter that ties in is being able to defeat blocks. A lot of small guys just get swallowed up.

Bobby Wagner is 6' even.
Navarro Bowman 6' even..

They are outstanding.
Mike Singletary was 6'1" and imho the best to ever play MLB.

If I have an issue with Jack it won't be that he is 6'1".

 

[jterrell]

Well, ultimately if you're building a "Create-A-Linebacker", you want him in the 6'3-6'5 range to see over the top of the inside of the OL and read the QB and/or watch the RB. It's like looking over a wall. It's the same reason you want a tall QB. Looking over the line.

I do agree though that it is a bit over hyped as far as a metric goes. Plenty of undersized QBs and LBs have successful careers in the NFL.

6'4"+ gives you a whole lot of leg to aim for on a cut block. I think my ideal LB is 6'1" to 6'3", 235-240. Fast, agile and strong. Loves watching tape and loves to hit.

Ray Lewis, Mike Singletary.

 

[Floatyworm]

Jack seems like a good fit with WOLB in this scheme. So what about Sean Lee if you take him?

Good Question....And same applies to Hitchens as well. I just don't see how he makes us better...unless your moving Lee to the middle...And I don't think Lee could stand the pounding.

 

[Alexander]

Myles Jack is a LB. It's really not that confusing, stick him in the middle of the field and watch him make plays. The only contingency would be to get a decent DT who won't be in the LB's lap on every play like Hayden

The responsibilities of the MLB are our system is not that simple. I do not think it is that simple in any system.

The fact that Jack has trouble diagnosing and also taking on blockers head on makes his projection to the middle is pure guesswork.

If he was going to be plugged at WOLB and just told to chase and cover, I would feel more comfortable. I just do not know that is what is the intent since the idea to move Lee last season was to avoid him having to face the additional punishment in the middle.

 

[tyke1doe]

Myles Jack is a LB. It's really not that confusing, stick him in the middle of the field and watch him make plays. The only contingency would be to get a decent DT who won't be in the LB's lap on every play like Hayden

I like your description. Very vivid and funny.

 

[Sydla]

I like your description. Very vivid and funny.

Vivid and funny................ and accurate. LOL.

 

[tm1119]

The responsibilities of the MLB are our system is not that simple. I do not think it is that simple in any system.

The fact that Jack has trouble diagnosing and also taking on blockers head on makes his projection to the middle is pure guesswork.

If he was going to be plugged at WOLB and just told to chase and cover, I would feel more comfortable. I just do not know that is what is the intent since the idea to move Lee last season was to avoid him having to face the additional punishment in the middle.

Not true, not even a little actually. I'd call that 1 of his strengths. What is making you think he has trouble diagnosing? Taking on blockers I will give you. But that seems to be a technique issue to me. He's very willing to hit blockers, but doesn't use his arms and disengage very well.

 

[jterrell]

Not true, not even a little actually. I'd call that 1 of his strengths. What is making you think he has trouble diagnosing? Taking on blockers I will give you. But that seems to be a technique issue to me. He's very willing to hit blockers, but doesn't use his arms and disengage very well.

I can see what you are both saying.
I have seen players like Jack that are simply more athletic than anyone else and playing at the speed it doesn't look always under control.
Partially why Jack has lesser stats than he could.

He gets to the ball virtually every play but he isn't always making the tackle. He has some stop and start to his game because he gets to places before the play does.
But generally he flows well toward the play and doesn't ever seem lost.

He doesn't look smooth at LB like Sean Lee but this is a 20 year old kid who was 19 last time he played LB.
He as the best athlete on that team (which had really good talent) by far as playing both ways showed.

The potential to have him next to Lee in the film room then on the field is pretty appealing.

 

[tm1119]

I can see what you are both saying.
I have seen players like Jack that are simply more athletic than anyone else and playing at the speed it doesn't look always under control.
Partially why Jack has lesser stats than he could.

He gets to the ball virtually every play but he isn't always making the tackle. He has some stop and start to his game because he gets to places before the play does.
But generally he flows well toward the play and doesn't ever seem lost.

He doesn't look smooth at LB like Sean Lee but this is a 20 year old kid who was 19 last time he played LB.
He as the best athlete on that team (which had really good talent) by far as playing both ways showed.

The potential to have him next to Lee in the film room then on the field is pretty appealing.

Let's not also forget he was playing both sides of the ball and not able to concentrate on 1 position as well.