Interesting thought on the franchise tag for Dez

[Verdict]

I know that the franchise tag is based on an average of the top salaries for a given position, and in Dez case it is at wide receiver. Everyone knows that Calvin Johnson's contract is artificially inflating the franchise tag number because it was a unique signing. Eventually Calvin Johnson's contract will eventually come off of the books (and it will likely come off the books before the expiration of Dez' next contract). When does Johnson's contract expire and when will it cease to be considered in setting the franchise tag number? When it ceases to be a factor could the franchise tag number for wide receivers actually fall? If so what effect do you think it has strategically on the current situation with Dez?

 

[DoctorChicken]

I think we need at least 57 more Dez threads. Preferably 102.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

I think we need at least 57 more Dez threads. Preferably 102.

Well, the Dez threads are a welcome relief compared to the doom and gloom RB posts.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

If you take the top five WR salaries (excluding Dez and Thomas), all five are over inflated. NFL teams have put out some bad WR contracts the last few years. I think the more realistic salaries start at Cobb and he's getting 10 mil a year. Using Cobb as the benchmark, I think the Cowboys are spot on if they are offering 12-13 per year for a guy like Dez.

 

[xwalker]

I know that the franchise tag is based on an average of the top salaries for a given position, and in Dez case it is at wide receiver. Everyone knows that Calvin Johnson's contract is artificially inflating the franchise tag number because it was a unique signing. Eventually Calvin Johnson's contract will eventually come off of the books (and it will likely come off the books before the expiration of Dez' next contract). When does Johnson's contract expire and when will it cease to be considered in setting the franchise tag number? When it ceases to be a factor could the franchise tag number for wide receivers actually fall? If so what effect do you think it has strategically on the current situation with Dez?

CJ's contract runs though 2019.

The Franchise Tag is now based the previous 5 years of contracts at the position; therefore, it does not drop or jump radically when a top 5 player's contracts is gone. When CJ's contract is gone, the previous 4 years of his contract will still factor into the calculation of the Tag.

 

[Verdict]

CJ's contract runs though 2019.

The Franchise Tag is now based the previous 5 years of contracts at the position; therefore, it does not drop or jump radically when a top 5 player's contracts is gone. When CJ's contract is gone, the previous 4 years of his contract will still factor into the calculation of the Tag.

That is very good info XWalker. Thanks for the good post.

 

[xwalker]

That is very good info XWalker. Thanks for the good post.

That is for the non-exclusive tag which is the one that is almost always used. The exclusive tag is based only on a 1 year time frame.

Normally the exclusive tag is more expensive. It's about 1M over the non-exclusive tag this year. I guess it's possible the exclusive tag could drop below the non- exclusive under the perfect circumstances unless there is a specific provision to prevent it.

For example if CJ's contract had ended in 2014, then the 5 year average would likely have been higher than the current year average for the top 5 WRs this year.

I'll check and see if this is really possible.

 

[AbeBeta]

That is for the non-exclusive tag which is the one that is almost always used. The exclusive tag is based only on a 1 year time frame.

Normally the exclusive tag is more expensive. It's about 1M over the non-exclusive tag this year. I guess it's possible the exclusive tag could drop below the non- exclusive under the perfect circumstances unless there is a specific provision to prevent it.

For example if CJ's contract had ended in 2014, then the 5 year average would likely have been higher than the current year average for the top 5 WRs this year.

I'll check and see if this is really possible.

I'm pretty sure the player gets a 20% increase at minimum for the 2nd tag if the top 5 is smaller than that number

 

[Nightman]

That is for the non-exclusive tag which is the one that is almost always used. The exclusive tag is based only on a 1 year time frame.

Normally the exclusive tag is more expensive. It's about 1M over the non-exclusive tag this year. I guess it's possible the exclusive tag could drop below the non- exclusive under the perfect circumstances unless there is a specific provision to prevent it.

For example if CJ's contract had ended in 2014, then the 5 year average would likely have been higher than the current year average for the top 5 WRs this year.

I'll check and see if this is really possible.

Pretty sure the exclusive tag is the avg of the top 5 at the end of April for that year.

It is possible to be lower than the non-exclusive tag if a top contract or 2 gets dropped.

 

[xwalker]

I'm pretty sure the player gets a 20% increase at minimum for the 2nd tag if the top 5 is smaller than that number

Yes, the 2nd Tag (if consecutive) must be a 20% increase, but I'm not referencing a 2nd tag, just the methods for calculating the 1st tag.

 

[xwalker]

Pretty sure the exclusive tag is the avg of the top 5 at the end of April for that year.

It is possible to be lower than the non-exclusive tag if a top contract or 2 gets dropped.

Yes, it is. My point was there might be a clause that prevents the team from going below the non-exclusive tag amount.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think we need at least 57 more Dez threads. Preferably 102.

Hater.

 

[Maxmadden]

Has anybody figured the amount of the franchise tag if you throw out the 1st and 5th contracts? I think this number would be a more fair representation of the true market value because it somewhat does away with the anomaly.

 

[conner01]

Has anybody figured the amount of the franchise tag if you throw out the 1st and 5th contracts? I think this number would be a more fair representation of the true market value because it somewhat does away with the anomaly.

Doesn't matter what a fair representation
It's what's in the CBA

 

[Maxmadden]

Doesn't matter what a fair representation
It's what's in the CBA

I was just curious how much megatron's deal skews the average, and thinking along the lines of the average per year on a long term deal.

 

[conner01]

I was just curious how much megatron's deal skews the average, and thinking along the lines of the average per year on a long term deal.

No doubt his deal is a major impact on the tag cost
And I think team have seen that when you pay a WR that kind of money it hurts your team more than help it
CJ dez and a few more are elite wr's and there is no arguing that
The question is can you put that much money in that position and I think the evidence shows it doesn't work
To me there are only a few position you can pay QB type money to and that's an impact pass rusher and maybe an elite cb
In the cap era you have to pick and choose where to spend and once you have a QB on his second contract that is much hard
Paying a WR QB money means you have to go cheaper at other positions
I personally think a team of very good players with a good QB has a better chance than a team with 3 or 4 guys being elite players and having to have too many other spots filled with guys under rookie deals
If you get lucky and can hit on 3 or 4 quality starters in each draft you can get away with it for awhile but that's really hard to do year in and year out

 

[JoeKing]

If you take the top five WR salaries (excluding Dez and Thomas), all five are over inflated. NFL teams have put out some bad WR contracts the last few years. I think the more realistic salaries start at Cobb and he's getting 10 mil a year. Using Cobb as the benchmark, I think the Cowboys are spot on if they are offering 12-13 per year for a guy like Dez.

You must not care about Dez's security. I say that in complete jest to Dez's tweet the other day. Getting all you can get is one thing, threatening to miss games is another. Dez has earned his money but that doesn't mean he deserves unconditional fan support to get it. Sign the tag, Dez!

 

[xwalker]

Has anybody figured the amount of the franchise tag if you throw out the 1st and 5th contracts? I think this number would be a more fair representation of the true market value because it somewhat does away with the anomaly.

11.36M

 

[Nightman]

No doubt his deal is a major impact on the tag cost
And I think team have seen that when you pay a WR that kind of money it hurts your team more than help it
CJ dez and a few more are elite wr's and there is no arguing that
The question is can you put that much money in that position and I think the evidence shows it doesn't work
To me there are only a few position you can pay QB type money to and that's an impact pass rusher and maybe an elite cb
In the cap era you have to pick and choose where to spend and once you have a QB on his second contract that is much hard
Paying a WR QB money means you have to go cheaper at other positions
I personally think a team of very good players with a good QB has a better chance than a team with 3 or 4 guys being elite players and having to have too many other spots filled with guys under rookie deals
If you get lucky and can hit on 3 or 4 quality starters in each draft you can get away with it for awhile but that's really hard to do year in and year out

One of the major complaints about Miles Austin's contract was that his 2010 salary of 17m spiked the WR franchise tag by over 2m by itself.

The Chargers were none too pleased and felt it may have eventually cost them Vincent Jackson.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Also even if CJ's number didn't apply to Dez next year...he'd get 120% of his 12.8M anyways. That number is the floor for him now.