CFZ Interesting trend in the NFL with scoring

[Verdict]

Interestingly, the lions are the second highest scoring team in the league behind the ravens (99 pts). The lions have scored 95, which is the most in the NFC.

What is the most interesting to me is the emergence of St. Brown as a primary target for Goff. He is really helping get Goff back into consideration as something other than a trash QB.

 

[diamonddelts]

What is the most interesting to me is the emergence of St. Brown as a primary target for Goff. He is really helping get Goff back into consideration as something other than a trash QB.

Equanimeous Tristan Imhotep St. Brown.

Can't lose with that name. Lol.

 

[Verdict]

Nah...I just think the market for a QB a lot of "experts" were saying was top 10 in the league is a high price. We dont have to argue about how much you knew he sucked...I want to see you sign a QB in Dak's situation for 15M per year. His agent would laugh at you and direct his client to seek other suitors...maybe even your division rival. And...if the QB was to succeed...you have a lot and I mean A LOT of egg on your face and a lot of questions to answer...all while being the laughing stock of the league.

QB market is jacked. Go try and find a Brady, Rogers, Mahomes...I suspect it will take you a while to find one. And...my position, THAT NO ONE SEEMS TO WANT TO RESPOND TO ON HERE, is...if you are all going to have this hardline approach on paying players might as well not pay any of them. Anything over a League minimum contract or rookie contract for a lesser than Roger Brady or Mahomes is OVERPAYING FOR MEDIOCRITY. You should just draft and waive until you find your ELITE QB. But I suspect there is a reason that NFL teams dont do that...and I suspect everyone talking bad about Dak and his contract would not want to hear valid reasons for why real GM's dont operate like that but internet GM's do.

I think you are framing this issue the wrong way. The question didn’t whether you can sign a great QB cheap. You can’t. We can all agree on that.

But do you want to pay a top 5 salary to a top 15 QB, just barely make the playoffs and get booted? That’s what paying an average QB top 5 money will USUALLY get you.

The Seahawks have been handicapped by Wilson’s salary for years. Peyton Manning only got two SBs in spite of being one of the best to play the game.

The difference between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning is that Brady valued winning over money (in part because his wife also makes a boatload of money).

If Peyton Manning had a hard time getting it done with a bloated contract, how successful do you think Dak is going to be. In order for Dak to win a SB at this salary cap number we are going to have to be incredibly lucky on draft picks.

 

[Verdict]

Equanimeous Tristan Imhotep St. Brown.

Can't lose with that name. Lol.

It’s actually Amon Ra St. Brown, but good catch anyway. Lol.

 

[diamonddelts]

It’s actually Amon Ra St. Brown, but good catch anyway. Lol.

All that and their dad's name is John Brown. I love it.

 

[FanofJerry]

I think you are framing this issue the wrong way. The question didn’t whether you can sign a great QB cheap. You can’t. We can all agree on that.

But do you want to pay a top 5 salary to a top 15 QB, just barely make the playoffs and get booted? That’s what paying an average QB top 5 money will USUALLY get you.

The Seahawks have been handicapped by Wilson’s salary for years. Peyton Manning only got two SBs in spite of being one of the best to play the game.

The difference between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning is that Brady valued winning over money (in part because his wife also makes a boatload of money).

If Peyton Manning had a hard time getting it done with a bloated contract, how successful do you think Dak is going to be. In order for Dak to win a SB at this salary cap number we are going to have to be incredibly lucky on draft picks.

My suspicion is that not paying a young QB that has looked decent(and not knowing his true ceiling) and POSSIBLY COULD TURN INTO A LEGIT STAR and he scampers off to your division rival is a serious concern for real GM's. I also suspect that most QB's ceilings are not known until after that second contract. BUT...BUT...all the haters will tell you that the players scouting report told you his flaws and that you were a moron for hoping and signing the player. Its so childish.

 

[kskboys]

Heres a theory.......................................Teams paying great QB's huge money cant afford to surround them with great skill position talent. I know you can put Mahomes and Rogers in that category. Maybe that is adding to it.

Personally I bet scoring this week will be way up and even things out.

Oooohhhh, that is a most excellent point. I find it has some merit also. This is the largest % of the salary cap that teams have ever had to pay QB's.

 

[FanofJerry]

Oooohhhh, that is a most excellent point. I find it has some merit also. This is the largest % of the salary cap that teams have ever had to pay QB's.

When you have Aaron Rogers up for his new contract in his prime...are you letting him walk if he asks for 24%. I seriously doubt it.

A mediocre to bad starting QB doesnt get capped at 7%. It just doesnt work like that. They are going to get huge chunks of cap because thats what QB's and their agents can do.

 

[kskboys]

Cant stand how highly paid coaches have ruined so many running quarterbacks "because NFL thats why". WE dont have to have a long ridiculous conversation where you try and convince me that pocket passers are the ideal and I tell you few of them turn out to be worth the effort of transforming. To your credit...NFL DLinemen are fast these days...defenses period.

My main point is that legs can buy you half a second to let a receiver get open...or they can run you to a first down or out of a sack. Brady is rare...so why try and force that when you are most likely going to fail trying to find that or fail trying to transform someone into that?

And yet the pocket passers are still winning the super bowls.

 

[kskboys]

When you have Aaron Rogers up for his new contract in his prime...are you letting him walk if he asks for 24%. I seriously doubt it.

A mediocre to bad starting QB doesnt get capped at 7%. It just doesnt work like that. They are going to get huge chunks of cap because thats what QB's and their agents can do.

I have no idea what needs to be done. Maybe a positional cap? Maybe something similar to the NBA? Maybe remove the QBs from counting against the cap?

 

[FanofJerry]

And yet the pocket passers are still winning the super bowls.

Brady, Nick Foles and the Mannings were legit pocket passers...all other recent Super Bowl winners could use their legs - Mahommes, Rogers, Breeze, Wilson.

Im suggesting to not coach it out of them ala Wilson and Rogers and utilize that ability. If youre going to say that preferring a QB to stand in the pocket to make the pass over run is a spill over effect that takes the legs away from a QB...I guess we can agree to disagree. Sure...you want the guy to make the proper pass or play...but having a guy like Brady that just throws the ball into the ground is a waste of a bunch of energy for every other player in that play. You can beat me down with how Brady makes smart plays and throws the ball away or into the ground instead of an INT all you want...its still a waste of a play or energy because you refuse to use your legs or have none.

 

[GMO415]

We are in week 4th week of the preseason. That's just the reality.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Sure but Dakota had to endure 2 whole sacks well into the 4th quarter….no Qb in the league can generate a touchdown with dealing with 2 sacks

and moore is awful, ask Rush, and the offensive line was all hurt and dak didn't have any wr to throw to or 200-yard running backs. Nobody could play like that.

Rush, "hold my soda"

 

[kskboys]

Brady, Nick Foles and the Mannings were legit pocket passers...all other recent Super Bowl winners could use their legs - Mahommes, Rogers, Breeze, Wilson.

Im suggesting to not coach it out of them ala Wilson and Rogers and utilize that ability. If youre going to say that preferring a QB to stand in the pocket to make the pass over run is a spill over effect that takes the legs away from a QB...I guess we can agree to disagree. Sure...you want the guy to make the proper pass or play...but having a guy like Brady that just throws the ball into the ground is a waste of a bunch of energy for every other player in that play. You can beat me down with how Brady makes smart plays and throws the ball away or into the ground instead of an INT all you want...its still a waste of a play or energy because you refuse to use your legs or have none.

Those guys you named are all mobile pocket passers, aside from Wilson.

 

[FanofJerry]

Those guys you named are all mobile pocket passers, aside from Wilson.

I actually agree on this...Russell Wilson is not a pocket passer...seems to use his legs to buy space and then find his open receivers.

 

[Pass2Run]

It’s only 3 games into a long season, but there’s an interesting trend in the NFL: Scoring is WAY down. This last week, the 20.3 points per game by teams was the lowest for a Week 3 since 2009 and the fourth lowest for any week in the past 5 seasons.

Even the league’s top QBs are struggling. Pat Mahomes, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers- winners of four of the last five MVP awards have all struggled in the first 3 games. Last week, their teams had a paltry 43 points combined. That's the fewest points scored in the 57 weeks those top QBs have all started. The previous low was 55 in Week 15 of the 2018 season.

Brady’s Bucs have yet to score 20 points in a game this year. Rodgers packers are averaging 16.5 points a game. Several games this week were just awful from an offensive standpoint- especially the 11-10 doze bowl between the niners and broncos Sun night. Just brutal.

We knew going into this season the Cowboys might struggle on offense at the start with so many new faces. So why is this a pattern league wide?
Here are some theories:

• Fewer teams playing starters in ps games- making the start of the season inherently sloppy. Most teams no longer risk playing their QBs and other key skill people.
• Defenses are better at the start of each season- coming out of training camp, defenses are almost always ahead of the offense.
• Defenses getting away with more holding and grabbing in the passing game- we saw this Sun against NYG with several holds and PI not being called. Reminded me of the 70s defenses.
• Parity- after 3 games, there are only two teams that are undefeated- Mia and Filly. Are there just fewer good teams this year?

The good news for the Cowboys in all this is two fold- 1. The Cowboys have a bonafide good defense and 2. The NFL appears to be much more wide open this year. It may be a year where a champion could spring from a team who gets hot late in the season- maybe a 10-7 type team?

Who knows? It’s still early. But interesting how offenses are struggling league wide.

I said this after game 1. Teams all around the league have better defenses. And ours is one of the best.

 

[Scotman]

I have no idea what needs to be done. Maybe a positional cap? Maybe something similar to the NBA? Maybe remove the QBs from counting against the cap?

Personally, I like the idea of just removing the QB from the cap. If someone like Jerry wants to pay some QB 150 mil a year, let him. Reduce the rest of the cap by 20-25% (whatever the average QB makes on a second contract). Teams willing to spend more might have a marginal advantage, but not an insurmountable one.

 

[kskboys]

Personally, I like the idea of just removing the QB from the cap. If someone like Jerry wants to pay some QB 150 mil a year, let him. Reduce the rest of the cap by 20-25% (whatever the average QB makes on a second contract). Teams willing to spend more might have a marginal advantage, but not an insurmountable one.

I have another idea that may actually come to fruition.

Pay the QB 25 mil/year for like 30 years.

Hey, they're writing contracts now that obviously pay the guy when he's retired, why not just pay for even longer after he's retired?

Think they'd actually do something like this?

 

[CowboyFrog]

i dont know the stats but what i have seen is teams are not blitzing much and are flooding passing lanes and making it hard even on good QBs,without a good run game its hard to sustain drives in this environment .

Its crazy, i think ive seen this statement here before...Passing games do not flourish in 7 man coverage...never have. If you can not run the ball to get them out of it, its going to be a long day on offense.