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This is just a crock and you know it
All cowboy fans want the team to win
Some fans wave Pom poms and blindly support every decision by the FO while others actually critique it based on its merits, objectively. When the team has consistently made poor decisions and been mediocre for 20 years......... 20 years, that "negativity" is perfectly legitimate. When the team wins the outlook is completely different. Post counts don't go down. That is just s figment of your imagination. Just compare CZ in 2016 and 2015. Ask the mods if you don't believe me. How many people did they bench in 2015 vs 2016.
Oh no honey. I've specifically looked at, at least 3 posters, and called out two of them.

Of course we all want our team to win. Fact is some, in fact several, post far more when they have something negative to say.

We won. Last year we won 13 times and lost 4. Yet your last post was critiquing "happy posts" while warning all of the possibility that they may not have anything to really be happy about.

Great evidence as to the outlook being "completely different". ;)
 

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OP filled the glass with poop and wants everyone to drink it.

13-3 was the sunshine. There's oodles to love about this team, but the pitfalls and uh-ohs are plain to see.

Right now, they look very 8-8 to me with all the potential defections. Another excellent draft and some key decisions with free agents is absolutely necessary, or this dalliance with potential greatness could be short lived.

The last 13-3 was followed by 9-7.
 

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Carolina and Denver took a turn for the worst last season. Any of those teams you are fearmongering could easily as well.

That's kind of the whole point.

This team has violently big holes to fill. Do you think a couple of draft picks will immediately fix the pass rush? It almost never does. And now, four virtual starters in the secondary are free agents, and Scandrick looks to be regressing fast.

Dallas played some terrible quarterbacks last year and some awful offensive lines. The defense held together most weeks.

But Rodgers torched it, and holy moly, Atlanta would have put up 70 on this team if it wanted.
 

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Good points, well said.

We had a relatively easy path to the post-season, and that will change this year.

It wouldn't surprise me if we end up at 11-5, or even 10-6, as long as we can win the NFCE.

As our youth matures, here's hoping that JG will also grow in the game mgt category.

Disagree with that statement.

No path is easy to the playoffs, unless you are NYG, NE or Pittsburgh, and at times GB...as you have the NFL FO and the refs on your side.....
Odds are we will, as most teams would be 10-6 to 12-4 after a 13-3 season. However we can easily be 13-3 again too.

We did not have an easy path. Those wins were hard fought and deserved, with 2 rookies leading the way. And earning some tough wins along the way.
Nothing was easy or gifted.
 

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That's kind of the whole point.

This team has violently big holes to fill. Do you think a couple of draft picks will immediately fix the pass rush? It almost never does. And now, four virtual starters in the secondary are free agents, and Scandrick looks to be regressing fast.

Dallas played some terrible quarterbacks last year and some awful offensive lines. The defense held together most weeks.

But Rodgers torched it, and holy moly, Atlanta would have put up 70 on this team if it wanted.
I think 75-80
 

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Disagree with that statement.

No path is easy to the playoffs, unless you are NYG, NE or Pittsburgh, and at times GB...as you have the NFL FO and the refs on your side.....
Odds are we will, as most teams would be 10-6 to 12-4 after a 13-3 season. However we can easily be 13-3 again too.

We did not have an easy path. Those wins were hard fought and deserved, with 2 rookies leading the way. And earning some tough wins along the way.
Nothing was easy or gifted.

I'm not referring to how hard we played; just referencing our opponents' won-loss records and other factors that were mentioned in the OP, like the health of opponents' key players. The strength of schedule will be notably higher next year by design -- a 13-3 schedule, rather than the 2016 4-12 schedule.

Gotta try to get parity, ya know.
 

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I'm not referring to how hard we played; just referencing our opponents' won-loss records and other factors that were mentioned in the OP, like the health of opponents' key players. The strength of schedule will be notably higher next year by design -- a 13-3 schedule, rather than the 2016 4-12 schedule.

Gotta try to get parity, ya know.

Unsterstand that, but also the first place schedule is over rated and doesn't mean much anymore.
With the rotational schedules as they are. We will play the exact same schedule as the rest of the NFC East teams except 2 teams.
We play first place Packers and Falcons. As opposed to the Eagles playing the Bears and Panthers.

Last year our last place teams were TB and 49ers...as opposed to the Commanders Panthers and Seahawks I think it was. I need to look. Not really that big of a difference the way it turned out.

Now this year we play the AFC West and NFC West. So it goes in cycles, if it's a tougher schedule based on wins and losses, it's the way it works out. It could be just the same as if all those teams sucked last year, it's still the same teams in the rotation.

Chiefs and Raiders will be tough teams, it seems.cI am not buying into the Broncos as being an elite team still. Not right now anyway. Chargers, no, not tough. 49ers and Rams, no, Cardinals could be but they were down last year, but still a tough game, yes. Seahawks, at home for us, not so much, a tough game, probaly, but not scared.
 

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ROFL.

Not even an Eagles fan could paint as bleak a picture about the Cowboys as is.

Dallas had one of the youngest teams in the league and won 13 games. They lost 4. Four all year including the playoff game.
The playoff game they won across the bulk of the game but lost with a slow start and Aaron Rodgers insane finish. --eerily similar to how NE got hot late against ATL.

Dallas is a play-action based offense so it doesn't exactly require a genius or adjustment to realize if you can shut down the run it will limit the offense and Dak.
Against 70m DLs Dallas may well have some issues. That's what 2-3 teams?

What Dallas shouldn't do is act stupidly pretending the world is burning around them and panic.
They need to continue to draft well, add young free agents with upside and follow the process that got them to 13 wins.
Whether they win 6 games or 13 next year the process in place is the proper one and over the course of a decade it will bear fruit.
This is no longer about Tony Romo or a short window.
Dallas is here to stay as a playoff team for a long time.
there wasn't anything wrong with that article that wasn't true...:rolleyes:
 

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It will be interesting to see how it plays out this coming season. I really expect a letdown after last seasons outstanding performance. The future still belongs to the young Cowboys.
 

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A 13-3 splash can play crazy tricks on the mind, especially around these parts. It turns the offseason into a trippy fear and loathing adventure, wrought with alternating bouts of self-aggrandizating and self doubt.

What just happened? Was that real? Way down deep, we all know last year came with some smoke and mirrors. Last year's purpose didn't happen with a bit of happenstance.

We know that because the team Dallas beat in October went up and down the field against Dallas in the playoffs, then got pig-slaughtered in Atlanta. Pittsburgh got equally torched by New England. The Packers and Steelers really weren't that good this year.

We also know because Dallas came dangerously close to being 0-6 in the division. The Giants beat the Cowboys twice, the Commanders semi-gifted Dallas twice, and the Eagles strangely collapsed with a dominant 4th-quarter lead in Dallas.

Injuries were few here compared to most teams. The timing proved perfect against the better opposing quarterbacks. Roethlisberger was coming off of an ankle injury. Rodgers was struggling mightily early on. Dalton and Flacco had terrible years by their standards. In fact, the whole league was down in 2016. Injuries were rampant, and offensive line play was putrid overall.

Make no mistake, hope rightly abounds with such a young cast of talent in key positions, but there's still a laundry list of questions to address.

Still no pass rush, and those don't get built over a single offseason. Lawrence may be done for good with a bad back. Jaylon Smith offers hope, but can Lee stay healthy again? Scandrick looks old, Claiborne is likely gone, and Carr will cost a pretty penny. That leaves one corner, a 6th round pick that came out of nowhere to play surprisingly well. It's either Church or Wilcox, but not both.

The whole defense remains a lump of yuck and what-if. The free agent pool is drying up in pass rush threats, not that the Joneses dabble in high-priced free agents anymore anyway. Draft picks typically take a few years to become effective pass rushers.

This defense is more than 2-3 guys away from being great. Average will likely be the best possible scenario again in 2017.

Offensively, all seems well, perhaps, we hope.

I'm still haunted by those terrible performances from Dak against New York, Minnesota, and Philly. Physical defenses that stopped Zeke really gave Dak fits. He was a rookie, I know, and an offseason is very much in his favor. But defensive coordinators are scouring those tapes, and they always find you. This will be an adjustment season for him for sure.

The offensive line is superb, but if Leary walks, and another gets hurt for an extended period, things could get very average in a hurry. The cocoon of perfection Zeke and Dak have enjoyed could turn ugly, and those big holes and eons of pass protection could evaporate instantly. Offensive lines rarely stay as healthy as Dallas' did, even with Tyron playing through neck issues.

So when, if, suddenly, the team plods to 4-4 by midseason, the environment will be very different for these young'uns. (Especially if Romo is still upright elsewhere, and doing what he does.) The scrutiny around here will divorce this team from last year's honeymoon lickety split.

Atlanta, Kansas City, Green Bay, Seattle, Denver (Romo?), Oakland, and six more games against a division that the Cowboys played ugly football against....this is going to be a more difficult gamut to circumnavigate.

In deference to Saint Parcells, sometimes your record can indeed be misleading. The Cowboys were good last year, but they weren't great. Significant pieces and improvement are sorely needed. There's a razor-thin difference between Tennessee and Dallas in talent. Things can change in a whisper.

I suspect everybody but Jerry knows this in Frisco. While he's celebrating his gold jacket, let's hope a more focused team arrives in Canton in five months with some ultra critical additions.

This franchise and fan base has been known to rest on its laurels for some time now. This ain't the time for that.
Well that was depressing. But it is exactly how our front office should look at things too. What gets us into trouble after a good year is thinking everything is A-OK except for maybe one player.

We need to evaluate this team as if they finished no better than 8-8. That is what the Patriots do.
 

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My fear is still the defense. If our D isn't markedly better, then I wouldn't be shocked at all if we miss the playoffs. I don't think we can go another season with our offense being our defense. Combine that with a brutal (on paper) schedule, and this could easily be along season.
Yep. Its the Defense that will kill the club IF the FO doesn't stiffen it up. The other concern is Garrett. I don't trust this guy to take the team forward in the playoffs.
 

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13-3 was the sunshine. There's oodles to love about this team, but the pitfalls and uh-ohs are plain to see.

Right now, they look very 8-8 to me with all the potential defections. Another excellent draft and some key decisions with free agents is absolutely necessary, or this dalliance with potential greatness could be short lived.

The last 13-3 was followed by 9-7.
it's all about the story people tell thenselves
 

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A 13-3 splash can play crazy tricks on the mind, especially around these parts. It turns the offseason into a trippy fear and loathing adventure, wrought with alternating bouts of self-aggrandizating and self doubt.

What just happened? Was that real? Way down deep, we all know last year came with some smoke and mirrors. Last year's purpose didn't happen with a bit of happenstance.

We know that because the team Dallas beat in October went up and down the field against Dallas in the playoffs, then got pig-slaughtered in Atlanta. Pittsburgh got equally torched by New England. The Packers and Steelers really weren't that good this year.

We also know because Dallas came dangerously close to being 0-6 in the division. The Giants beat the Cowboys twice, the Commanders semi-gifted Dallas twice, and the Eagles strangely collapsed with a dominant 4th-quarter lead in Dallas.

Injuries were few here compared to most teams. The timing proved perfect against the better opposing quarterbacks. Roethlisberger was coming off of an ankle injury. Rodgers was struggling mightily early on. Dalton and Flacco had terrible years by their standards. In fact, the whole league was down in 2016. Injuries were rampant, and offensive line play was putrid overall.

Make no mistake, hope rightly abounds with such a young cast of talent in key positions, but there's still a laundry list of questions to address.

Still no pass rush, and those don't get built over a single offseason. Lawrence may be done for good with a bad back. Jaylon Smith offers hope, but can Lee stay healthy again? Scandrick looks old, Claiborne is likely gone, and Carr will cost a pretty penny. That leaves one corner, a 6th round pick that came out of nowhere to play surprisingly well. It's either Church or Wilcox, but not both.

The whole defense remains a lump of yuck and what-if. The free agent pool is drying up in pass rush threats, not that the Joneses dabble in high-priced free agents anymore anyway. Draft picks typically take a few years to become effective pass rushers.

This defense is more than 2-3 guys away from being great. Average will likely be the best possible scenario again in 2017.

Offensively, all seems well, perhaps, we hope.

I'm still haunted by those terrible performances from Dak against New York, Minnesota, and Philly. Physical defenses that stopped Zeke really gave Dak fits. He was a rookie, I know, and an offseason is very much in his favor. But defensive coordinators are scouring those tapes, and they always find you. This will be an adjustment season for him for sure.

The offensive line is superb, but if Leary walks, and another gets hurt for an extended period, things could get very average in a hurry. The cocoon of perfection Zeke and Dak have enjoyed could turn ugly, and those big holes and eons of pass protection could evaporate instantly. Offensive lines rarely stay as healthy as Dallas' did, even with Tyron playing through neck issues.

So when, if, suddenly, the team plods to 4-4 by midseason, the environment will be very different for these young'uns. (Especially if Romo is still upright elsewhere, and doing what he does.) The scrutiny around here will divorce this team from last year's honeymoon lickety split.

Atlanta, Kansas City, Green Bay, Seattle, Denver (Romo?), Oakland, and six more games against a division that the Cowboys played ugly football against....this is going to be a more difficult gamut to circumnavigate.

In deference to Saint Parcells, sometimes your record can indeed be misleading. The Cowboys were good last year, but they weren't great. Significant pieces and improvement are sorely needed. There's a razor-thin difference between Tennessee and Dallas in talent. Things can change in a whisper.

I suspect everybody but Jerry knows this in Frisco. While he's celebrating his gold jacket, let's hope a more focused team arrives in Canton in five months with some ultra critical additions.

This franchise and fan base has been known to rest on its laurels for some time now. This ain't the time for that.


While I agree next year could go in either direction, I wont downplay our accomplishments last season. However, our Cowboys have not been able to put together back to back winning seasons in a long time and until we do I will not have confidence that we have gotten over the hump.

As far as everything falling into place I would argue we did face our share of adversity with injuries to our starting QB, our back up QB, our number 1 WR, our number 1 CB, Dlaw, Mclain, and so on. Id also point to losing Gregory and Ro. All of that doesnt make me feel as if we were necessarily lucky but more so that we overcame adversity.

As far as getting to the QB goes we were not as awful as is often let on. I do actually believe a couple of strong pass rushers combined with improvement from our own and (hopefully) Jaylon Smith and we will improve dramatically on defense. While its hard to forecast greatness at this point I believe we can be good defensively.

Now I say all this knowing it is possible we lose more than we gain this offseason and we have yet another down year. However, Id be suprised if this team doesnt come out and win at least 10 games next season.
 

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The Dallas Cowboys are a 13-3 team because they won 13 games last season and lost only 3.

True Pittsburg's QB was playing hurt. The Cowboys starting quarterback didn't get healthy until about the 11th game of the season. The Cowboys backup quarterback didn't play the entire season. The Cowboys were forced to start their 3rd team quarterback the entire season.

The Cowboys starting RB was not able to contribute during the first three quarters of the season due to a freak accident. They were forced to start another rookie in the offensive backfield on opening day.

The Cowboys defense was severely handicapped by suspensions all season long. Both of their starting DE's were suspended the first four games, one only played a few games, the other suffered a career threatening back problem. Their starting MLB had some issues that resulted in his loss for the entire season.

The Cowboys lost their most improved defensive back halfway through the season, a guy that was trending in the direction of a legitimate shutdown corner. They were forced to replace him with a rookie 6th round draft pick.

The Cowboys elite offensive line? One of the starters got hurt early in the season and never fully recovered. He was entering his second season and big things were expected.

Only 8 Cowboys started all 16 games. 39 different players started at least 1 game.

And yet, they were "lucky" enough to win 11 consecutive games, have the best record in the NFC, and come within a phenomenol Aaron Rodgers pass to advance to the NFC championship game.

"Injuries were few here compared to most teams".......kindly list those teams and the key positions that was devastated.

How many lost their QB starter and his backup before a single snap of the regular season? How many were forced to start a rookie drafted in the 3rd day?

Green Bay wasn't that good? Green Bay? The Cowboys beat a Packer team in Green Bay, enroute to their 8th consecutive winning season and 5th division title in the last 6 seasons.

This was a "real test" for Dak and the offense, a team that came into the game with the #1 rushing defense and a 3-1 record. This is a team that ended their season with a 6 game winning streak.

The Steelers were not that good? With a 13 year veteran QB that has never had a losing season in his career, a team that ended the season with a 7 game winning street?

The Cowboys were lucky? Too many games that could have gone either way?

The Patriots won four of their five Super Bowls by three points, all won on the last drive. The other SB was won by 6 in overtime after the greatest comback in SB history. They will go down in as one of the most dominant teams in NFL history. Do you think anybody is going to make the argument that these SB's could hgone either way?

If any other team succeeds in winning close games on a consistant basis then they are commended is being "clutch". However, if the Cowboys do the same it is "smoke and mirrors", regardless of how deep they had to reach into their roster to come out 13-3.

This team isnt going to suffer a 2015 setback. They didnt throw their elite RB out into the free agency street after the season. Their starting QB isnt fragile glass, his backup isnt a retread baseball player with options.

That 13-3 season wasn't a "splash", it was a.flash flood warning. The rest of the NFL should prepare for a ten year tsunami.
 
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