Is being a top Game Day HC all that important anymore?

[WV Cowboy]

I do think he is a smart coach sometimes too smart for his own good.

Interesting, .. when has he been too smart of a coach for his own good?

 

[Doomsday101]

Interesting, .. when has he been too smart of a coach for his own good?

Going to the pass on 3rd and short instead of taking the higher percentage of running the ball to convert the 1st down. I have seen many situations where as the defense is coming up to the line Dallas will try to throw on it for the big gain instead just trying to get the 1st. is one example. Granted hard to say if at time it has been Romo changing the play based on what he sees but even if that has been the case it is the HC job to have the players on the same page as to what he wants done.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Going to the pass on 3rd and short instead of taking the higher percentage of running the ball to convert the 1st down. I have seen many situations where as the defense is coming up to the line Dallas will try to throw on it for the big gain instead just trying to get the 1st. is one example. Granted hard to say if at time it has been Romo changing the play based on what he sees but even if that has been the case it is the HC job to have the players on the same page as to what he wants done.

Good example. Boy is that frustrating to watch.

 

[Idgit]

Going to the pass on 3rd and short instead of taking the higher percentage of running the ball to convert the 1st down. I have seen many situations where as the defense is coming up to the line Dallas will try to throw on it for the big gain instead just trying to get the 1st. is one example. Granted hard to say if at time it has been Romo changing the play based on what he sees but even if that has been the case it is the HC job to have the players on the same page as to what he wants done.

It is hard to say, since the offense is built off of what the defense gives you. But it's fair to say we've had very little faith in our short yardage rushing game in recent years. That seemed to change a little bit last year, and I expect it to change more again this year with another top resource added to the interior line, but it's been the case up til now, anyway.

 

[Doomsday101]

Good example. Boy is that frustrating to watch.

No doubt hitting the defense with a pass in those situation now and then can pay off big but we take that gamble too often in my opinion.

 

[Doomsday101]

It is hard to say, since the offense is built off of what the defense gives you. But it's fair to say we've had very little faith in our short yardage rushing game in recent years. That seemed to change a little bit last year, and I expect it to change more again this year with another top resource added to the interior line, but it's been the case up til now, anyway.

I would just say situational play calling has to improve. I have no issue taking what the defense gives heck when Norv was calling offense he ran the ball if defense wanted to come up and stop Emmitt and have few guys back then great we will throw the ball on you and you will either back off the line of scrimmage or we will continue to throw. It is foolish to play into the teeth of the defense but in situational play calling when all you are trying to accomplish something like 3rd and 1 then sometime simpler is better.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Used to be in the past when teams could still hide things a HC might have to adjust on the fly; but nowadays is that really his job anymore? the DC and OC are there to do that. How many times does a HC have to make a critical decision? When to go for it on 4th down; Or go for the FG. Outside of that just how much does a HC really do on a game day anymore?

I would take mastermind game day head coach with unprepared team before I take a poor head coach with prepared team.

 

[Idgit]

I would just say situational play calling has to improve. I have no issue taking what the defense gives heck when Norv was calling offense he ran the ball if defense wanted to come up and stop Emmitt and have few guys back then great we will throw the ball on you and you will either back off the line of scrimmage or we will continue to throw. It is foolish to play into the teeth of the defense but in situational play calling when all you are trying to accomplish something like 3rd and 1 then sometime simpler is better.

The play calls are the play calls, and there's no real way for us to know. But I've always felt that there are specific things Garrett might like to do philosophically, all things being equal, that he just hasn't done because he doesn't trust parts of our offense to execute and deliver. Short yardage running game is one of those areas. It doesn't matter for you point, though. If he's not calling it when you think he should, it doesn't matter all that much what the reason is.

The screen game is another area where I think he'd like to do it, but hasn't really been able to. For a long time I don't think we were comfortable with the OL's ability to execute it. I thought we'd see a lot more of it last year, but then we benched Dunbar (our best screen back) for fumbling and it never really materialized.

 

[Idgit]

I would take mastermind game day head coach with unprepared team before I take a poor head coach with prepared team.

Really? Ideally, you don't want either, but I think I'd rather have the guy with limitations on game day. So much more of the job is the stuff that happens not during that 3 hours a week on Sundays.

 

[Doomsday101]

The play calls are the play calls, and there's no real way for us to know. But I've always felt that there are specific things Garrett might like to do philosophically, all things being equal, that he just hasn't done because he doesn't trust parts of our offense to execute and deliver. Short yardage running game is one of those areas. It doesn't matter for you point, though. If he's not calling it when you think he should, it doesn't matter all that much what the reason is.

The screen game is another area where I think he'd like to do it, but hasn't really been able to. For a long time I don't think we were comfortable with the OL's ability to execute it. I thought we'd see a lot more of it last year, but then we benched Dunbar (our best screen back) for fumbling and it never really materialized.

all I can say is in my view he overthinks the situation at times. Last couple of years short yardage has improved and yet we still will often try to catch the defense by surprise and throw on those short yardage, instead of just trying to pick up the 1 to 2 yards.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Going to the pass on 3rd and short instead of taking the higher percentage of running the ball to convert the 1st down.

Oh, I consider that an example of not being very football smart, .. and not an example of being too smart.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Really? Ideally, you don't want either, but I think I'd rather have the guy with limitations on game day. So much more of the job is the stuff that happens not during that 3 hours a week on Sundays.

Further explained - I want a guy who could do more with less. We have had more and the results were less.

Neither way is ideal. Just want better decisions on game day.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh, I consider that an example of not being very football smart, .. and not an example of being too smart.

Those who know Garrett would disagree about him being smart when it comes to football. Never the less he is in the last year of his deal and I think it will come down to how the team fair this season, I don't think the man is stupid I think he fully understand this game but it is his job to win.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Those who know Garrett would disagree about him being smart when it comes to football. Never the less he is in the last year of his deal and I think it will come down to how the team fair this season, I don't think the man is stupid I think he fully understand this game but it is his job to win.

I have never insinuated that he was not smart, .. but I was looking for a time when he was 'too smart of a coach for his own good'.

I've never really ever found myself thinking, .. "he is just too smart of a football coach."

 

[Doomsday101]

I have never insinuated that he was not smart, .. but I was looking for a time when he was 'too smart of a coach for his own good'.

I've never really ever found myself thinking, .. "he is just too smart of a football coach."

I think outsmarting yourself by taking a risk of throwing in certain situations instead of playing it closer to the vest, is what I would consider 'too smart of a coach for his own good'. I never said he was too smart to coach

 

[WV Cowboy]

I think outsmarting yourself by taking a risk of throwing in certain situations instead of playing it closer to the vest, is what I would consider 'too smart of a coach for his own good'. I never said he was too smart to coach

OK, .. I just don't think of "outsmarting yourself" as an example of being too smart.

I think it's not smart enough, in that football situation.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I wouldn't say he's too smart but he is stubborn.

 

[Wolfpack]

The coaching military analogies are interesting. The only applicable one I can think of regarding the current game day coach is broken chain of command. The real authority doesn't reside with the battlefield signal caller, it's wielded by the out-of-touch behind-the-lines staff officer that choppers in to dress down a subordinate in front his troops.

Exactly. Read up on what the German Army in WW2 had to endure with its wacko chain of command. The army was led by an amateur in an expensive bunker fully removed from reality.

Some of the top generals were actually removed from command so that a more comfortable general could be put in place, one who would not balk at the odd blunders.

 

[Doomsay]

I wouldn't say he's too smart but he is stubborn.

or frozen

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

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No, you prove that it wouldn't have limited the Packer's possessions to four. You can't,!just like you can't say for sure that running the ball more wouldn't have resulted in a win.

And this is why I say that you are an intellectual coward. You are afraid to examine whether or now what you believe to be true is indeed true. You assume that the meme 'running solves a horrid defense' is true.

We won the top battle because GB was able to score so quickly. 3 times in the second half they scored in under 2 minutes. The second drive was the longest and that was 5 and a half minutes. They took the lead with over 2:46 to go.

I will assume you want to keep the 2 scoring drives. That is 22 plays and about 11 minutes. That leaves the remaining 3 drives. I guess you could have gotten an extra 7 or so running plays out of them so we can have a 20+ minute time of possession in the second half. In theory we could have made it close however this is quite presumptuous. It very easily could have gone like the dropped passes and penalties like we had on the ball control plays we actually did attempt to run.