Is being a top Game Day HC all that important anymore?

[casmith07]

If you want to win as a head coach and especially at the NFL level, you have to know everything and make sure everything is working together. You have to be an OCD micro manager...all the greats are that way. If you leave it up to your staff, you'll never be good let alone great. It's too competive to leave to chance.

I suppose I should better explain the duties and responsibilities of command in order to fill in the context.

 

[Wolfpack]

I suppose I should better explain the duties and responsibilities of command in order to fill in the context.

You cant win if your in the rear with the gear.

Seriously, every great head coach is a nut case micro-manager. Thats the only way you win at the NFL level. Jerry certainly gets in the way for this to happen.

Your comment about a Brigade commander is well taken but that the last thing you want if you want to win in the NFL. You want Patton not Eisenhower.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One another side note, that is a ridiculous statement.

How is that?

The Packers scored a TD on each of their first 5 2nd half possessions and had the ball with near 2 minutes left to run out the clock on their sixth.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you want to win as a head coach and especially at the NFL level, you have to know everything and make sure everything is working together. You have to be an OCD micro manager...all the greats are that way. If you leave it up to your staff, you'll never be good let alone great. It's too competive to leave to chance.

This is simply not true. Tony Dungy, Dick Vermeil, and John Madden all won titles without being that way. There is a litany of offensive or defensive coaches that leaned heavily on cooridnators to handle areas outside of their expertise. This notion that it is done all by oneself is asinine.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not for Fuzzy. Me and you know that there is no way of knowing what would happen if the running game was used more. Fuzzy thinks he is smarter than everybody else, so he knows what the result would be. Don't question the Fuzz. It will be a long and boring conversation unless you are as impressed with Fuzzy as much as he is impressed with Fuzzy.

Nice ad hominem. Again they needed 5 second half TD and had another possession to overcome the additional 10 points we put up in the second half.

It cute how instead of arguing the topic at hand you make it all about me. Can you address the point or are you just going to resort to a political smear campaign like the above tripe?

 

[NJ22]

Are you Jason's mom?

Lol. Can you believe what they will say to defend this guy?! They would rather be 8-8 for the next 30 years than lose their librarian head coach. Shocking.

 

[noshame]

How is that?

The Packers scored a TD on each of their first 5 2nd half possessions and had the ball with near 2 minutes left to run out the clock on their sixth.

Listen Fuzzy, relax, because you're just not getting this.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

One another side note, that is a ridiculous statement.

Yea even Garretts buddy Troy Aikman thought it was stupid they weren't running the ball.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Go read some about Chuck Noll if you want to find out how important and influential a head coach can be in establishing a winning culture.

He took the worst and made them the best.

He set the tone in Pittsburgh, that is still being followed in that organization today.

Some of you want to argue that JG is a great coach, but he has done nothing to set himself apart from a bunch of other guys that have held the title of head coach in the NFL.

I hope he becomes a legend, .. the best coach we have ever had, .. but I'm still waiting for that to happen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Listen Fuzzy, relax, because you're just not getting this.

Relax? You guys have yet to make a logical point and simply assume what you are saying is true.

The Packers only needed 5 possessions to beat us. They had 6.

Prove that running the ball would have guaranteed they only got 4 possessions.

You guys do not even try. You just fall back on the mindless meme that running the ball is a panacea for a defense that gives up TD every single possession.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Go read some about Chuck Noll if you want to find out how important and influential a head coach can be in establishing a winning culture.

He took the worst and made them the best.

He set the tone in Pittsburgh, that is still being followed in that organization today.

Some of you want to argue that JG is a great coach, but he has done nothing to set himself apart from a bunch of other guys that have held the title of head coach in the NFL.

I hope he becomes a legend, .. the best coach we have ever had, .. but I'm still waiting for that to happen.

Please point to a single post claiming that Garrett is a 'great coach.'

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Go read some about Chuck Noll if you want to find out how important and influential a head coach can be in establishing a winning culture.

He took the worst and made them the best.

He set the tone in Pittsburgh, that is still being followed in that organization today.

Some of you want to argue that JG is a great coach, but he has done nothing to set himself apart from a bunch of other guys that have held the title of head coach in the NFL.

I hope he becomes a legend, .. the best coach we have ever had, .. but I'm still waiting for that to happen.

I have seen all the stories since he passed & he surely was one fine coach. Before my time but I enjoy reading about guys like that.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Yes.

 

[jnday]

Nice ad hominem. Again they needed 5 second half TD and had another possession to overcome the additional 10 points we put up in the second half.

It cute how instead of arguing the topic at hand you make it all about me. Can you address the point or are you just going to resort to a political smear campaign like the above tripe?

What the heck? I will just stick with the political smear campaign. It is much more entertaining.

 

[cml750]

What the heck? I will just stick with the political smear campaign. It is much more entertaining.

It is ridiculous some people still defend Garrett's handling of that game and others.They probably have trouble seeing the forest due to all the trees being in the way too.

 

[Idgit]

It is ridiculous some people still defend Garrett's handling of that game and others.They probably have trouble seeing the forest due to all the trees being in the way too.

So...what's your answer to Fuzzy's question? I think it's fair that somebody answer him since he's asking in good faith. And you have to admit, it's a reasonable point that explains the team's offensive approach to the second half.

 

[Doomsay]

The coaching military analogies are interesting. The only applicable one I can think of regarding the current game day coach is broken chain of command. The real authority doesn't reside with the battlefield signal caller, it's wielded by the out-of-touch behind-the-lines staff officer that choppers in to dress down a subordinate in front his troops.

 

[jnday]

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Relax? You guys have yet to make a logical point and simply assume what you are saying is true.

The Packers only needed 5 possessions to beat us. They had 6.

Prove that running the ball would have guaranteed they only got 4 possessions.

You guys do not even try. You just fall back on the mindless meme that running the ball is a panacea for a defense that gives up TD every single possession.

No, you prove that it wouldn't have limited the Packer's possessions to four. You can't,!just like you can't say for sure that running the ball more wouldn't have resulted in a win.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Please point to a single post claiming that Garrett is a 'great coach.'

I have seen posts comparing Garrett's early years to Landry's. I don't see it, ... yet.
Some people are trying to convince us that he is something that he is not, ... yet.

But if it is too overwhelming for you to digest "great", .. you have my permission to erase the word "great" in my post and change it to "good."
There, is that better?

It won't change the point I was trying to make.

 

[Doomsday101]

I have seen posts comparing Garrett's early years to Landry's. I don't see it, ... yet.
Some people are trying to convince us that he is something that he is not, ... yet.

But if it is too overwhelming for you to digest "great", .. you have my permission to erase the word "great" in my post and change it to "good."
There, is that better?

It won't change the point I was trying to make.

I think the comparisons only pertain to the fact that early on in Landry career people wanted Landry fired but the organization believed in him and signed him to a long term deal despite what fans thought. Of course winning changed the fans base mindset. Other than that Landry was an innovator he created a system both offense and defense and stuck with his system. I don't know what Jason career will end up being, we just know how things look today. I do think he is a smart coach sometimes too smart for his own good.