News: Is Cowboys owner Jerry Jones the best general manager in the NFL?

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And to think the Giants have made it to 3 Super Bowls in those 8 playoff seasons, winning 2 of them. And we haven't been able to make it past the divisional round... :(

Oh well, there's always the Commanders to laugh at.
 

ottawacowpoke

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No he is not. At the start of the 90's I would have asserted that he was the league's best owner. I still haven't gotten over the fact that both he and Jimmy basically threw a hissy fit and that led to the end what should have been the greatest dynasty in league history. Kraft is the league's best owner because he wants to win and he stays out of the way. Jerry is close behind.
 

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And to think the Giants have made it to 3 Super Bowls in those 8 playoff seasons, winning 2 of them. And we haven't been able to make it past the divisional round... :(

Oh well, there's always the Commanders to laugh at.

Dez was called on a 'non-catch' and there was the Giant helmet catch. Yea, star wars playing field differences.
 

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No just no. Putting aside my Jerry hate and trying to be objective here's a big issue with Jerry the GM: He has no consistency. One year he dedicates huge resources to man corners, the very next year the team brings in the one system that makes man corners most obsolete. He trades down in poor drafts and trades up in deep drafts. He wants a Special Teams draft, then New England Tight Ends, and then he wants "Romo-friendly" picks a few drafts later. He tries too hard to be innovative and take risks, but then every year he wants to copy the Giants or Packers or Patriots.

NFL GM's and coaches should adapt with the game. They shouldn't change their preferences from year to year.

Here's the closer....

He wanted Johnny Manziel. He wanted to pull rank and take him. Luckily, Stephen threw a ball across the room, distracting Jerry long enough to make the absolute right pick Zack Martin. If you don't believe me go back and watch the early season interview where Jerry said everything his gut was telling him was to take Manziel and that he compared the decision to how he felt on whether or not to buy the Cowboys. He said not drafting Manziel was a mistake that will haunt him. A few weeks later, Zack Martin is lighting the league on fire and you never heard another word about Money Manziel or Jerry's love for him.
 

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Funny, when facts are presented, the only counter is that Jerry was not involved. That ignores the discussive element as well as really identifying what Jerry did or didn't do. Sometimes even a GM has to react to other's actions. But to Jerry's credit, he stuck with Jason Garrett from when the new contract was brought in and the Cowboys no longer had an offensive line.

A real GM should know who the starting left guard for the Giants is.

I'll bet you one million dollars he doesn't know.

But yes, from an administrative standpoint, he's made some needed improvements to how personnel has been run, and it's making a huge difference. I'm just not sure that's what a GM is supposed to be.
 

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Well, this thread should take us just about through the rest of the offseason. After this debate has run its course, AGAIN... training camp will have started.

fixed it for you. this "dust off journalism" can get old, but its the off-season as you say. anything will do.
 

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I love that he is getting accolades during a time when he is listening to others. Hopefully, this reinforces the behavior.

So remember fans, as long as Jerry is heeding to the advice of his staff, whenever Jerry is in hearing distance we should be saying, "Why yes, he is the best GM in football."
 

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If you change "GM" to "Owner," you get my approval.
JJ has no equal as an owner. Kraft may get more of the spotlight because his team has been winning over the past decade, but JJ as an owner is heads and shoulders above him. Why do I say this? Jerry Jones owns the most valuable franchise in the United States and second in the world.
The reason Paul Tagliabue and not Jim Finks was the NFL Commissioner? Jerry Jones.
The licensing agreement owners have with companies to market their own teams. Do you know who got that started? Jerry Jones.
The new television contracts that pumped billions more dollars into the owners' pockets and, effectively, made FOX a household name in so far as NFL Football? Do you know who led that charge? Jerry Jones.
You know who had the foresight to hire Jimmy Johnson and whose team created the draft value chart that almost every team uses today? Jerry Jones.

Say what you want about Jerry Jones the GM, and I've criticized him a lot. As an owner, Jerry has no equal in football. He doesn't just sit on his hands like owners of the Bengals and the Lions and the Browns and the Cardinals. He's always trying to acquire talent to win and get to the Super Bowl. Sure, he should listen more to the real football people as he gets himself into trouble when he doesn't.

But Jerry Jones is a shoo-in first ballot Hall of Famer as an owner. No question.
 

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A real GM should know who the starting left guard for the Giants is.

I'll bet you one million dollars he doesn't know.

But yes, from an administrative standpoint, he's made some needed improvements to how personnel has been run, and it's making a huge difference. I'm just not sure that's what a GM is supposed to be.

More than an attitude is needed in a discussion of fact.
 

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More than an attitude is needed in a discussion of fact.

You think there's a lack of facts to take down Jerry's general managing?

No other GM would have survived 17 years with two playoff wins and no championship game appearances. Not to mention the most horrific drafting in history and some of the worst defenses the NFL has ever seen.

Without Romo, Dallas would have gone five straight years of four wins or less.
 

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As far as public perception, Jerry is screwed. He's an idiot if he makes bad decisions, and if he makes good decisions he's still an idiot because he listened to good advice. Who thinks Thompson and Newsome make all the moves they do without input from anybody? It's true that Jerry hasn't always listened, though, for way too long, and I think it's a good thing that he's finally recognized that what he's been doing hasn't been working. He's made a change. That's what good administrators do, right?

The double standard really does get ridiculous, though. It's a comment on Jerry when he fails without Jimmy, but when Jimmy fails without Jerry it's a lame argument to make. We bash Jerry for wanting Manziel in the draft but listening to scouts, coaches, Stephen, whomever, and taking Martin instead. But we seem to forget Jerry's insistence on Ware at #11 in 2005, despite Bill Parcells' love of Marcus Spears. Jerry hired Jason Garrett and Will McClay who had the vision and helped engineer the construction of the best OL in football. He hired Bill Callahan (and Frank Pollack) to coach them up. He hired Scott Linehan and promoted Rod Marinelli while the media and other "experts" (including some here) laughed. He held onto a great coach, Matt Eberfluss, when Rob Ryan left.. Who here thought much of anything at all when Jerry brought in Derek Dooley? And bunches of people howled when Jerry gave Orlando Scandrick a "big" contract. Remember that?

We can guess all we want, but not a one of us knows for sure who has made which decisions at Valley Ranch over the years. Some of them have been really bad. Quincey Carter, Joey Galloway and Roy Williams come to mind. But then there's guys like Deion Sanders, Dez Bryant, Travis Frederick, Demarcus Ware, Larry Allen, Zack Martin, Demarco Murray and the drafting of Jay Ratliff, and when it comes right down to it, like every other GM in the league, good or bad, Jerry is ultimately responsible for it all. He's taken a lot of heat for a long time, and rightly so, but now deserves the credit.

Do I think Jerry is the best GM in football? That's probably a stretch. But as the the legendary Bill Parcells says, you are what your record says you are. Jerry's team has more Super Bowl Rings and more playoff appearances than all but a handful of NFL GMs can brag about. He's also hired a few duds, overseen a lot of underachieving teams and put together his share of average squads. Lately, though, it looks like to me that Jerry is listening more to the football people around him and taking that advice to heart--stuff that the best head guys in football do all the time. And I think Garry Huckaby is right: Jerry is one of them.
 

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You think there's a lack of facts to take down Jerry's general managing?

No other GM would have survived 17 years with two playoff wins and no championship game appearances. Not to mention the most horrific drafting in history and some of the worst defenses the NFL has ever seen.

Without Romo, Dallas would have gone five straight years of four wins or less.

I guess you also ignored, along with the selective attitude...

NFC East NFC North NFC South NFC West

Eagles- 12 Packers- 16 Falcons- 8 Seahawks- 10

Cowboys- 10 Vikings- 10 Buccaneers- 7 49’ers- 10

Giants- 8 Lions- 6 Panthers- 6 Rams- 5

Commanders- 4 Bears- 5 Saints- 6 Cardinals- 4


Dallas making the playoffs about as good as any other team during the same recent period of time. Winning it all is very tough, and under the best of conditions.

Naw, Jerry was a good GM. My disappointment in only 5 Lombardis doesn't cloud my vision on this. I'm not of the sub preppie generation of discontents.
 

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This continuing argument is so inane . Those of you who want to hold a grudge
in large part are the ones who hated Red until last year.

As Rosanne Rosannadanna famously said," it's always somethin".
 

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Not sure the mid-90s are actually, "without Jimmy". That team was stacked by the time he left.

Even if we say they are then the data speaks for itself and the answer is, "no". In fact, after 5 playoff appearances in the first 6 years without Jimmy, Jerry has gotten considerably worse in that he's only produced a playoff team 5 times in the 15 seasons that followed those first 6.
 
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