Is Dak Clutch

[MountaineerCowboy]

You mean when people tried to bring up something other than W-L?

@shabazz

See? Cooper Rush leading this team to wins scares them.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

@shabazz

See? Cooper Rush leading this team to wins scares them.

No, I just reject oversimplifcations. I like Rush as a backup, I am just not going to pretend that how he actually threw the ball in those games didn't happen.

 

[pitt33]

Aikman had a better completion percentage than Elway or Marino. He held QB play-off records that lasted a long time until the modern rule changes. This offense back then was a 2 WR based offense, unlike today with basically the college rules in place. Nobody could run the precision-based timing offense that Norv had Aikman run better than Aikman.

These Dak fanboys are hilarious. They would disrespect the great Aikman to prop this mediocrity up.

Dak wouldn’t last 3 plays in 1993, especially considering he would have to drop back under center and run the 7 step drop a lot.

Aikman was better than Romo and it wasn’t close.

Aikman was the 1st overall pick for a reason. He was one of the best to play the game. I never saw a more accurate quarterback who didn’t crumble on the big stage. He also played in a time when the running game was featured much more than passing the ball. And when he was called upon to deliver a pass on 3rd and long it was right on the numbers. Irvin has stated that he knew coming out of his break that the pass would be right between the 8’s. And a perfect example of a pass like this was the dime to Harper late in the ‘92 nfccg. It was one of the best passes of his career at a critical juncture of that game.

Anyone on this forum who says Romo or Dak was/is just as good as Aikman is delusional.

This place kills me at times.

The off season often spurns this type of comical debate.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Aikman was the 1st overall pick for a reason. He was one of the best to play the game. I never saw a more accurate quarterback who didn’t crumble on the big stage. He also played in a time when the running game was featured much more than passing the ball.

Anyone on this forum who says Romo or Dak was/is just as good as Aikman is delusional.

This place kills me at times.

The off season often spurns this type of comical debate.

The point being made is that the biasing is stupid. You guys sure like beating up this strawman though.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

No, I just reject oversimplifcations. I like Rush as a backup, I am just not going to pretend that how he actually threw the ball in those games didn't happen.

You hate wins unless Dak is involved.

You fool nobody Mr. "50 mins of Dak game winning drives".

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Aikman was the 1st overall pick for a reason. He was one of the best to play the game. I never saw a more accurate quarterback who didn’t crumble on the big stage. He also played in a time when the running game was featured much more than passing the ball.

Anyone on this forum who says Romo or Dak was/is just as good as Aikman is delusional.

This place kills me at times.

The off season often spurns this type of comical debate.

Dak fans HATE winners like Aikman.

Dak/Romo are easier to relate to.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You hate wins unless Dak is involved.

You fool nobody Mr. "50 mins of Dak game winning drives".

All that video shows is that I like when we win when Dak is at quarterback. You don't and that is the difference.

I loved those wins when Rush, Romo, Aikman, or whichever Cowboys QB was under center too. I just understand that outside of playaction Rush did not throw very well. You cannot deny that so are trying to discredit with an emotional strawman.

Cheap tactics from people with no real substance.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Dak is a very good, not great qb.
I think that's where most fans fall.
The 2 extremes either way get all the attention here.

Hmmm....I hear you...though I'd leave off the "very" and just say good.

Like Kirk Cousins and derrek Carr are good.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

All that video shows is that I like when we win when Dak is at quarterback. You don't and that is the difference.

I loved those wins when Rush, Romo, Aikman, or whichever Cowboys QB was under center too. I just understand that outside of playaction Rush did not throw very well. You cannot deny that so are trying to discredit with an emotional strawman.

Cheap tactics from people with no real substance.

I know you like to win when Dak is the QB. You don't have to say so lol

Rush threw well enough to lead us to 5-1, but that's not good enough I suppose.

We'd rather watch Dak led the NFL in INTS while missing 5 games and embarrass us again in the playoffs to the 49ers. Now that's much better.

 

[morat1959]

Unless they earn it first.

I could be wrong but he didn’t do it much! The great ones know when. The wannabes do it after a TD. Cam Newton was the worse!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know you like to win when Dak is the QB. You don't have to say so lol

Rush threw well enough to lead us to 5-1, but that's not good enough I suppose.

We'd rather watch Dak led the NFL in INTS while missing 5 games and embarrass us again in the playoffs to the 49ers. Now that's much better.

And I do not deny that Prescott needs to improve on his pick rate. Of course there is the other 6 samples which are all a deviation or two lower which you ignore just like you ignore Rush's performance throwing the ball.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

And I do not deny that Prescott needs to improve on his pick rate. Of course there is the other 6 samples which are all a deviation or two lower which you ignore just like you ignore Rush's performance throwing the ball.

What do you care about?

Winning games or pretty stats?

Why does Rush have to lead us to wins AND be a world beater stat wise? When Dak can just scrap by and have fans throw a winner like Aikman under the bus to protect Dakky poo.

Dak has not done anywhere near enough to warrant the love and affection some of ya'll have for him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What do you care about?

Winning games or pretty stats?

Why does Rush have to lead us to wins AND be a world beater stat wise? When Dak can just scrap by and have fans throw a winner like Aikman under the bus to protect Dakky poo.

Dak has not done anywhere near enough to warrant the love and affection some of ya'll have for him.

False dichotomy. I get you want to insist on your oversimplification but it only serves to dumb things down.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

False dichotomy. I get you want to insist on your oversimplification but it only serves to dumb things down.

Your non answer of the question says a lot, ya know?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They really are Cowboys fans but some of them have so much personal skin in the game that they feel his success ( or lack of ) somehow reflects on them ……..they are Cowboys fans but “Dak First” fans

must be horrible for them to put a priority on Daks performance before the team’s performance……I pity them. Some would rather Dak have a huge game and lose rather than him have a below average game and win……not all, but definitely a few

we saw that when Cooper Rush was winning and they started negative threads about a 3rd string Qb that had 1 career start. They were clearly threatened

Why do y’all say this? Nobody had a issue with Rush winning the problem was we won in spite of Rush until he faced Philly.

I don’t even know what third string QB you are talking about lol…..

What sense does it make for anyone to want Dak to have a good game and we lose? If Dak has a good game there’s a big chance we win…..

If you’re going to be anti Dak at least be honest.

Don’t take the Pappy and Mountaineer approach.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak fans HATE winners like Aikman.

Dak/Romo are easier to relate to.

That’s you Romo fans saying he’s better than Troy and Roger lol.

 

[Corso]

As I stated multiple times prior, because folks like to re-package old claims in a new form, Dak as considered clutch his first 3 years. In reality, it was a team built on game management for the QB, while the OL and RG wore down opposing defenses to the point Dak, in the 4th quarter could sit back in the pocket all day and make easy throws.
Ive posted this article from 2020 multiple times as evidence that Dak in reality is not a QB that performs in the clutch the more and more responsibilities were placed on his shoulders as a PASSING QB and this team couldn’t rely on an all-pro blocking and RG to keep the focus of the defense.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/dak-prescott-clutch-4th-quarter-jerry-jones-cowboys-defense

Within 2 years, this claim Dak was “clutch” was starting to get exposed in the press as a myth. Also, his struggles against zone began to show as teams no longer forced into situations of playing so much man coverage as a counter to the RG.

First of all, the article clearly states the baseline that articles were using to define clutch as 4th quarter comeback were basically bogus.



The article then proceeds to refute this claim of clutch be saying:



Dak was not even in LEAGUE AVERAGE category when the team needed to rely on his arm to push the ball downfield. What these stats indicate also, is the fact despite having the best OL in the league, his sack rate went up to higher than the league average meaning he was holding onto the ball too long. The fact his INT was lower then the league average pointed out he doesn’t take risks and goes into a complete shell.

The experimentation process this year of “just letting it rip” let to some of the most bone-headed INTs regularly you’d ever witness. As this article points out,



Now look at this stat:

So let’s stop pretending Romo and Dak were playing in the same situation of the same offense. As a bunch of us “haters” pointed out. Dak can’t throw from a 3-5–7 drop-back. consistently, so they have to limit the playbook. And while the 7 step drop-back has gradually faded out in the modern NFL, Dak’s usage was still way below league level and this not taking into account the 3-5 drop-back. What Dallas does with Dak is they do drop-back is from shotgun, not under Center, which Dak is horrible out. This in itself is problematic because opposing defenses know Dallas is limited when they see Dak under Center.

I need to see the stats and bullet point explanations on Dak and Pearl-Clutching, tbh.


I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Vtwin]

I could be wrong but he didn’t do it much! The great ones know when. The wannabes do it after a TD. Cam Newton was the worse!

I believe that was when the first SB was in the books.

I don't recall him ever doing it before, or even after that.

 

[Shane612]

Nah.
If he was clutch he would have won bigger games by now.
It could still happen.

 

[Momanpr100]

So did the Cowboy's Defense in both SF losses.
The difference is that Eli didn't go out of his way to lose any games and was there big time in both SB wins.
Eli has 2 SB rings how many does Dakko have????

Eli Manning contemporary is Romo not Dak. Romo wouldn't have won with those Giants teams