Is Dak Prescott's contract actually that bad

[FanofJerry]

Can you define a "franchise QB?"

Nope

 

[TheSport78]

Nope

Well, then Dak can't be a franchise QB because it's not defined.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Even if Dak was good, you can’t build a team around him with his contract, particularly with the recent slew of poor draft choices.

I keep hearing people say you can't build a team. yet we have just handed contracts to diggs, lamb and dak and still have 23M on the cap and have 29th lowest dead cap......

the issue is not the cap. the issue is the GM and his son.

 

[FanofJerry]

Well, then Dak can't be a franchise QB because it's not defined.

Owners and Agents know the acceptable prices. Im not going with internet posters trying to get into long arguments over a topic thats been hashed out a million times

You want me to give an answer so that you can play devils advocate and post a counter, hoping that I will then respond to that counter.....and down a pointless rabbit hole we go.

 

[kskboys]

I keep hearing people say you can't build a team. yet we have just handed contracts to diggs, lamb and dak and still have 23M on the cap and have 29th lowest dead cap......

the issue is not the cap. the issue is the GM and his son.

This year.

Next year, Dak is on the books for 89 mil cap hit.

The 23 mil will be needed next season.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This year.

Next year, Dak is on the books for 89 mil cap hit.

The 23 mil will be needed next season.

and I am going to look for the article that showed with a few simple restructures dallas can upen up 65M on the cap next year and they are 7th in available cap space next year.

the year after they have like 89M cap space..

restructuring is how every team does it...

and these were the same cries everybody had when he got signed for 40M. the challenge is not the cap. its personnel. and the GM.
This is not an argument if he is worth the contract or not. the point is the cap space is not the issue.

 

[TheSport78]

Owners and Agents know the acceptable prices. Im not going internet posters trying to get into long arguments over a topic thats been hashed out a million times

You want me to give an answer so that you can play devils advocate and post a counter, hoping that I will then respond to that counter.....and down a pointless rabbit hole we go.

I asked you a simple question and you couldn't answer. YOU'RE the one using the term you can't even define. To me, it's just a BS term to define another position on a football team. The team has confidence that the player can lead them to ultimately where they want to go. Dak Prescott has given the team no inclination that he and the team can make it past the divisional round for almost a decade now, and he's over 30. Guys like Trevor Lawrence and Jordan Love got big deals but they're YOUNG and you expect them to still progress. Dak is in an obvious decline and the Cowboys paid him like he was going to get BETTER. Dallas is guilty of this all of the time; they misevaluate their own talent all of the time. This is nothing new; you give an incompetent front office the benefit of the doubt that "owners and agents know the acceptable prices." Well, here we are! I'd argue that THIS is QB hell.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Can you define a "franchise QB?"

A quarterback the team is comfortable committing the next 3 seasons to, regardless of how they play in the immediate future.

I think that’s a good definition.

 

[TheSport78]

A quarterback the team is comfortable committing the next 3 seasons to, regardless of how they play in the immediate future.

I think that’s a good definition.

I think the Cowboys have played it too comfortable at the QB position. No drafting QBs in the middle rounds; if you hit on a guy, you can either have him as the heir apparent or trade him for value. At the very least, it gives you leverage for the Dak contract negotiations.

 

[FanofJerry]

I asked you a simple question and you couldn't answer. YOU'RE the one using the term you can't even define. To me, it's just a BS term to define another position on a football team. The team has confidence that the player can lead them to ultimately where they want to go. Dak Prescott has given the team no inclination that he and the team can make it past the divisional round for almost a decade now, and he's over 30. Guys like Trevor Lawrence and Jordan Love got big deals but they're YOUNG and you expect them to still progress. Dak is in an obvious decline and the Cowboys paid him like he was going to get BETTER. Dallas is guilty of this all of the time; they misevaluate their own talent all of the time. This is nothing new; you give an incompetent front office the benefit of the doubt that "owners and agents know the acceptable prices." Well, here we are! I'd argue that THIS is QB hell.

Youre side-stepping Dak's contract slowly diminishing as the cap goes up. Youre side-stepping that the QB market is a League-wide issue...not a Jerry issue. Youre side-stepping Dak putting up great numbers and low turnovers consistently.

Dak isnt Baker Mayfield...but this board wants you to think he is that average.

You are not going to trailblaze and risk your good GM job to money-ball the QB and let Dak go. You have nothing on the line making these internet calls.

Its the same ol'd thing....attack a gray area and play devils advocate and see how long the argument can go. Its silly.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Even worse now with the breaking news of his surgery!!!! GUARANTEE if he didn't get the bag this year, he wouldn't be hurt right now (football God's) so he can get his money!

 

[CATCH17]

Dak’s not a big game player and needs a mountain of help to carry him across the finish line.


Bottom line. It’s awful and we are nearly hopeless for awhile with him here.

 

[FanofJerry]

Dak’s not a big game player and needs a mountain of help to carry him across the finish line.


Bottom line. It’s awful and we are nearly hopeless for awhile with him here.

Its funny that people talk about Mahomes and rarely talk about how he has some of the best offensive play-calling in the game at his back.

Im not making excuses. I just think Dak is capable and based on current market rates his deal isnt outlandish even though he isnt Jordan at QB.

 

[TheSport78]

Youre side-stepping Dak's contract slowly diminishing as the cap goes up. Youre side-stepping that the QB market is a League-wide issue...not a Jerry issue. Youre side-stepping Dak putting up great numbers and low turnovers consistently.

Dak isnt Baker Mayfield...but this board wants you to think he is that average.

You are not going to trailblaze and risk your good GM job to money-ball the QB and let Dak go. You have nothing on the line making these internet calls.

Its the same ol'd thing....attack a gray area and play devils advocate and see how long the argument can go. Its silly.

You have some type of Dak Deraingement Syndrome where you actually think he's still a solid player and deserves being the HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IN THE NFL; he's not. This is why you’re not a GM: you don't pay players for what they've done, you pay them for what you EXPECT them to do in the FUTURE. Dak has PEAKED as a talent in the NFL, and the Cowboys paid him as the highest paid player in the NFL as if he's going to continue to improve and lead them to a championship. He won't, and never will.

Oh, so my opinion is irrelevant because I'm not actually the Cowboys GM? LOL! What are message boards for? TO DISCUSS AND GIVE OPINIONS. It's funny, because you're making "internet calls" too. Just because someone or a group of people are in a position of power doesn't mean they’re competent; Jerry and Stephen have proven that to be true. I have the right to criticize and give opinions just like anybody else on this forum, so don't demean my opinion just because "I have nothing on the line." LOL.

P.S., you'd rather have Dak at 60 mil vs Baker at 30 mil? Give me a break. Baker just took the Chiefs to the brink of defeat without his top two receivers; Rayne would have 108 yards passing by the end of the third quarter. Open your eyes.

 

[TheSport78]

Its funny that people talk about Mahomes and rarely talk about how he has some of the best offensive play-calling in the game at his back.

Im not making excuses. I just think Dak is capable and based on current market rates his deal isnt outlandish even though he isnt Jordan at QB.

I think it's funny how you keep making excuses for Dakota after he's had coach after coach, elite offensive lines, leading rushers behind him, elite WR corps...but, but Dakota needs more help! LOL.

 

[FanofJerry]

Sport...youre side-stepping key pieces of information that GM's use to evaluate players...individual stats, not team stats.

Then, youre making it sound like not extending Dak is some easy decision that everyone should come to without hesitation. I dont find that to be the case and I will defend someone unfairly being highlighted.

But...your game is to use the 'defend' part as a tool to get me to run around in circles describing the same things over and over but using different avenues.

All this has been discussed a million times. And...I dont think you are letting Dak walk if your job was on the line.

This whole Dak and Jerry hate debate that over-runs this forum because of Devil advocates playing word games...If this was in person I could lay it out very simply and very quickly....but the internet is used to get people to run around in circles.

Youre side-stepping a lot of factors because this is a game to you where your intention is to not be fair to Dak or Jerry, but to gaslight.

Its childish.

 

[BoysForLife]

I think it's funny how you keep making excuses for Dakota after he's had coach after coach, elite offensive lines, leading rushers behind him, elite WR corps...but, but Dakota needs more help! LOL.

Amen

 

[FVSTONE]

In terms of overall QB play this season the top 15 list would arguably look something along the lines of:

Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen
Jared Goff
Jayden Daniels
Joe Burrow
Jalen Hurts
Patrick Mahomes
Justin Herbert
C J Stroud
Kyler Murray
Sam Darnold
Baker Mayfield
Kirk Cousins
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford

A few quarterbacks can be moved around here and there plus there's a case for the likes of Purdy and Williams to be in the top 15 but in general, it's not an outlandish list.

The point being Dak Prescott is no where to be seen within the top 15 quarterbacks in the league this season and for good reason.

Realistically going forwards with the likes of Caleb Williams and Bo Nix likely to improve a whole lot more and even accounting for say Darnold, Mayfield and Cousins struggling to back up their form into next season and the potential of Stafford and/or Rodgers retiring, do people really see Prescott getting himself into the top 10 ranked quarterbacks next season?

In terms of big name quarterback contracts on the horizon how many are there? Purdy at the end of this season, C J Stroud likely in 2026 and perhaps Josh Allen at some point during that period to restructure his contract given he's only in the low 40s at this time and to spread the cap hit of his next contract with the Bills.

Other than that there are not too many more before Prescott's contract will be up for renewal again - perhaps his will be a year after a bunch of the top 10 guys. The point being that when we look back at the highest earning quarterbacks over the 9 years prior to Prescott's current contract expiring, he will have likely been either the highest earner or at least a top 3 earning QB over those 9 years! Astounding really given the horrific ROI in terms of relevant performance to the team winning important games against good teams. It also completely blows out the water the ridiculous notion/assertion that, "his contract will be around the 15th highest paid quarterback in a year or two" - no it will not!

I am very interested to find out how much Purdy is offered by the 49ers. I do not think it will be $60+ million a year. I think he will take a commercial view and be pleased to take a bit less to stay and play for a good team rather than earning more on a bad team. In those circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised if he accepted around $50 million a year. But who knows, the 49ers might be the next team to massively overpay for a solid NFL starting quarterback. Again, it is noticeable that his overall use and performance is increased when he scrambles and moves to acquire first downs or extend plays which leads me to my next point...

My final observation is that of the above top 10 ranked NFL quarterbacks in the league this season, only Goff lacks mobility. The other 9 can all move at will to extend plays and rush for a much needed first down. Same rules apply to the young quarterbacks coming through like Love, Nix and Williams. If you are planning to pay top dollar to a quarterback then surely they require some mobility in the modern NFL? If not then pay them around the $45-$50 million range to compensate for that to facilitate the payment of two stud running backs like Montgomery and Gibbs or draft a stud RB in the first round like Robinson...

Whichever way people try to dress it up, the latest Dak Prescott contract looks to have been an awful progress stopping decision and one that will kneecap the team for several years to come.

Fair play to him though as he will have brought in $400+ million over 9 years - Jerry must be in a whole world of pain right now!

In terms of overall QB play this season the top 15 list would arguably look something along the lines of:

Lamar Jackson
Josh Allen
Jared Goff
Jayden Daniels
Joe Burrow
Jalen Hurts
Patrick Mahomes
Justin Herbert
C J Stroud
Kyler Murray
Sam Darnold
Baker Mayfield
Kirk Cousins
Jordan Love
Matthew Stafford

A few quarterbacks can be moved around here and there plus there's a case for the likes of Purdy and Williams to be in the top 15 but in general, it's not an outlandish list.

The point being Dak Prescott is no where to be seen within the top 15 quarterbacks in the league this season and for good reason.

Realistically going forwards with the likes of Caleb Williams and Bo Nix likely to improve a whole lot more and even accounting for say Darnold, Mayfield and Cousins struggling to back up their form into next season and the potential of Stafford and/or Rodgers retiring, do people really see Prescott getting himself into the top 10 ranked quarterbacks next season?

In terms of big name quarterback contracts on the horizon how many are there? Purdy at the end of this season, C J Stroud likely in 2026 and perhaps Josh Allen at some point during that period to restructure his contract given he's only in the low 40s at this time and to spread the cap hit of his next contract with the Bills.

Other than that there are not too many more before Prescott's contract will be up for renewal again - perhaps his will be a year after a bunch of the top 10 guys. The point being that when we look back at the highest earning quarterbacks over the 9 years prior to Prescott's current contract expiring, he will have likely been either the highest earner or at least a top 3 earning QB over those 9 years! Astounding really given the horrific ROI in terms of relevant performance to the team winning important games against good teams. It also completely blows out the water the ridiculous notion/assertion that, "his contract will be around the 15th highest paid quarterback in a year or two" - no it will not!

I am very interested to find out how much Purdy is offered by the 49ers. I do not think it will be $60+ million a year. I think he will take a commercial view and be pleased to take a bit less to stay and play for a good team rather than earning more on a bad team. In those circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised if he accepted around $50 million a year. But who knows, the 49ers might be the next team to massively overpay for a solid NFL starting quarterback. Again, it is noticeable that his overall use and performance is increased when he scrambles and moves to acquire first downs or extend plays which leads me to my next point...

My final observation is that of the above top 10 ranked NFL quarterbacks in the league this season, only Goff lacks mobility. The other 9 can all move at will to extend plays and rush for a much needed first down. Same rules apply to the young quarterbacks coming through like Love, Nix and Williams. If you are planning to pay top dollar to a quarterback then surely they require some mobility in the modern NFL? If not then pay them around the $45-$50 million range to compensate for that to facilitate the payment of two stud running backs like Montgomery and Gibbs or draft a stud RB in the first round like Robinson...

Whichever way people try to dress it up, the latest Dak Prescott contract looks to have been an awful progress stopping decision and one that will kneecap the team for several years to come.

Fair play to him though as he will have brought in $400+ million over 9 years - Jerry must be in a whole world of pain right now!

What an asinine question to ask Cowboy Nation, seriously did you get some type of brain fart that is still raddling in it before you posted this, hell I don't know what you're calling this post??????????? Prescott's contract is insanely bad, it's one that can and will cripple an organization for many many years to come. The team is stuck with an overpaid, over hyped, less than mediocre QB who is steadily regressing at an alarming rate. As this dude ages, his skill set won't enable him to QB a decent college football team, let alone the Dallas Cowboys. We're in deep DO-DO!

 

[CowboyoWales]

Im not trying to be a prick...but the QB market convo is played out around here...its up to the owners to find a solution to the problem they created...and I dont think they see it in the same light as this board does. I think the owners and agents are in agreement with the QB market...give most of your money to the most important player and figure things out around that. You may not like it...but riding with crap after crap QB is a bad product for all of NFL....its a crap shoot that pro-rookie contract posters prefer to avoid talking about at all costs.

The over-riding opinion to combat the QB market is for teams to roll with rookie contract QB's...which isnt fair to good QB's, fair to fans or fair to the business side of owning a football team. Most QB's, especially rookies, are terrible and make people turn the channel.

The owners want serviceable QB's and will pay for them...which leads to sub-Mahomes QB's getting near Mahomes money.

Watering down the most important position in football over trivial cap restraints is bad for the game. I agree with others that suggest the teams have accounting tools to create windows to win and make the QB cap argument not as big a deal as fan boards make it seem.

The 'rookie QB' crap shoot can always score an 11 (that produces a 12) or it adds to the historical data a non-elite paid QB's that have got to a SB.
Dak's already shown he's not getting us there (possibly even if he played for nothing)...there is no possible way of alleviating the pressure in the play-offs to allow Dak to play Regular Season Form.
He crumbles when the pressure is on and he needs to step up.
The final reasoning for the Rookie approach is that how Dak got the easier ride into the NFL .....unfortunately you can't have both....especially as we're still paying off the $40m from the last contract and we've got the Jones' running the Franchise.

 

[CowboyoWales]

and I am going to look for the article that showed with a few simple restructures dallas can upen up 65M on the cap next year and they are 7th in available cap space next year.

the year after they have like 89M cap space..

restructuring is how every team does it...

and these were the same cries everybody had when he got signed for 40M. the challenge is not the cap. its personnel. and the GM.
This is not an argument if he is worth the contract or not. the point is the cap space is not the issue.

What you're not taking and haven't into account is the existing $40m of CAP that's already being added within Dak's numbers....we were paying on credit during the 12-5 seasons...WHICH WAS FINE, BECAUSE THE INTENTION WAS ALWAYS TO EXTEND DAK AND SPREAD THE CAP (Caps for effect).
The problem is we are highly unlikely (but it's Jerry, so not impossible) to extend Dak in 2027/28.....which means if we're going to restructure him we're getting one hell of a one off bill in 2028.
For me, the worst part of the contract was the length as a longer deal (even a career ending) would of given a number of years to go ALL-IN...however I glad I'm wrong as it would of been an even more painful long drawn out death.