Is Demarco Murray Marcus Allen?

[KJJ]

Allen couldn't run over defenders like Murray when he scored TD's up close he jumped over the top he didn't lower his head and power his way in. I've seen Murray deliver some blows and flatten a few defenders didn't see much of that with Allen.

 

[Mansta54]

Ehh....I think our offensive line was solid. Maybe top 5 but it was touted as the best line in the league and I don't think they are nearly there yet.

And I can't just say "ANY" running back can run behind this line. Not 1800 yards worth of rushing yards. That would imply that Demarco is simply just a guy.

Oh our oline is definitely in the top 3 and they're young with tons of room to grow. As for the 1800yrds, who knows, maybe another back could run for more. It's very possible.

 

[TheFinisher]

Murray ran for 253 yards in his first game as the lead guy back in 2011. That OL was billed as the worst of all time.

But he's just a product of the current OL...

Right...

 

[Wood]

was too young to really see Allen, but I'm watching a football life now and see many similarities.

they are nothing alike.

 

[Wolfpack]

Murray kind of reminds me of Terrell Davis or even Thurman Thomas.

I always liked Allen too. Smooth fluid runner a lot like A slower Dorset or Payton.

Loved playing Techmo Bowl with Allen and Jackson both.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Murray ran for 253 yards in his first game as the lead guy back in 2011. That OL was billed as the worst of all time.

But he's just a product of the current OL...

Right...

Against one of the worst run defenses at the time.

And until this year he was a solid producing RB who couldn't stay healthy.

The O-line is a huge part of this because they were clearly better than they've been in years past but it's also a product of Murray actually being able to stay healthy for the majority of the season.

I think the bigger reason people are concerned with giving Murray big money has to do with that durability issue. The guy has only been able to stay healthy in a contract year. Even then he actually broke his hand and you do have to seriously wonder if it weren't a contract year would he have played?

I really like Murray but I'll be honest I have serious doubts he would have played had it not been that he was trying for a new contract. I'm not at all interested in tying up a whole lot of money into a running back, at all, but especially to one who really hasn't proven they can stay healthy in their career.

On top of that I'm not a huge fan of Murray's vision, or lack there of. There are lots of runs, a few every week it seems, where Murray could break runs for much larger gains and he just doesn't seem to have the vision to see those moves.

He's a dang good back. He's fun to watch. If the price is right I have no issue with keeping him. But I don't want to break the bank for a RB unless it's clearly, without any question what so ever, the best running back on the planet.

Frankly Murray simply isn't that.

 

[TheFinisher]

Against one of the worst run defenses at the time.

And until this year he was a solid producing RB who couldn't stay healthy.

The O-line is a huge part of this because they were clearly better than they've been in years past but it's also a product of Murray actually being able to stay healthy for the majority of the season.

I think the bigger reason people are concerned with giving Murray big money has to do with that durability issue. The guy has only been able to stay healthy in a contract year. Even then he actually broke his hand and you do have to seriously wonder if it weren't a contract year would he have played?

I really like Murray but I'll be honest I have serious doubts he would have played had it not been that he was trying for a new contract. I'm not at all interested in tying up a whole lot of money into a running back, at all, but especially to one who really hasn't proven they can stay healthy in their career.

On top of that I'm not a huge fan of Murray's vision, or lack there of. There are lots of runs, a few every week it seems, where Murray could break runs for much larger gains and he just doesn't seem to have the vision to see those moves.

He's a dang good back. He's fun to watch. If the price is right I have no issue with keeping him. But I don't want to break the bank for a RB unless it's clearly, without any question what so ever, the best running back on the planet.

Frankly Murray simply isn't that.

He holds the single game and single season rushing records for a franchise that also had a couple guys named Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith.

Frankly, and this is not directed at you, but it's amazing to me that there are so many Cowboy fans that want to minimize his accomplishments and what he means to this team just because he's due for a new contract. Embarrassing actually.

 

[texbumthelife]

Murray is not slow by any means. Perhaps he looks slow because of his running style but I don't know where this misconception comes from him being slow.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Murray has a powerful style, but when he wants to, he can hit the jets. He just spends more time waiting and setting up blocks. Murray's best asset is his patience, which is why he doesn't need the shiftiness.

 

[Nightman]

He holds the single game and single season rushing records for a franchise that also had a couple guys named Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith.

Frankly, and this is not directed at you, but it's amazing to me that there are so many Cowboy fans that want to minimize his accomplishments and what he means to this team just because he's due for a new contract. Embarrassing actually.

Don't forget Herschel Walker

I've been fighting this fight for the last couple weeks and I'm still surprised how many people want no part of Murray no matter what the price. They'll pay Free 8m, Carr 10m, Bailey 3m, Dez 13m, Ware 12m, Romo 17m but Murray, no thanks.He might get hurt or he might not break the franchise record again next year or Jim Brown's consecutive 100 yd game record that stood for 56 years.

I would rather get burned by over-paying Murray than let him loose and get burned by a rookie or middling vet.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Marcus Allen wasn't a true burner... He was just silky smooth with the football in his hands.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

How many more yards could he have had with his "lack of speed"? He had almost 1900 yards.

A lot.

 

[coult44]

A lot.

Like 100, 200, 500, 1000??? Seriously

 

[TellerMorrow34]

He holds the single game and single season rushing records for a franchise that also had a couple guys named Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith.

Frankly, and this is not directed at you, but it's amazing to me that there are so many Cowboy fans that want to minimize his accomplishments and what he means to this team just because he's due for a new contract. Embarrassing actually.

It's all good.

He did great this year.

I give him credit for that.

Those guys you mentioned up there though...they did it year after year after year after year.

Murray hasn't proven he can stay healthy for a full season yet. As I said above he didn't even stay healthy this year he just played through it, IMO, because he was in a contract year.

I'm reluctant to give a back with that history a long term deal with a lot of money in it.

 

[myslamsareolder]

Your point? I said he sometimes breaks 'em, and that was his rookie year. He is a different player. I could post a million videos, you can post one.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Your point? I said he sometimes breaks 'em, and that was his rookie year. He is a different player. I could post a million videos, you can post one.

You said he can't sustain runs. I've seen no evidence of that. Post those million of videos that prove that. I think you're mistaking him making smart decisions by softening his falls for being "slow".

 

[tyke1doe]

He holds the single game and single season rushing records for a franchise that also had a couple guys named Tony Dorsett and Emmitt Smith.

And Timmy Smith holds the single game rushing record for the Super Bowl over running backs like Dorsett, Emmitt, Franco, Terrell Davis, John Riggins, Marcus Allen, Marshawn Lynch, Marshall Faulk, etc.

Frankly, and this is not directed at you, but it's amazing to me that there are so many Cowboy fans that want to minimize his accomplishments and what he means to this team just because he's due for a new contract. Embarrassing actually.

Why is it embarrassing? The opinions are a product of the cap and free agency. If it weren't for money, I'm pretty sure most Cowboys fans would want DeMarco back. But since it's all about money, Cowboys fans - like Cowboys management and ownership - have to evaluate whether it should keep one player over another or why keeping a particular player might not be the best for the team in the long run.

Murray had a phenomenal season. But given the facts that ...

1. Running backs are as valued as other positions
2. We have to resign Dez Bryant
3. Our failures were more on the defensive side of the ball
4. We have an outstanding offensive line that can benefit many running backs
5. Running backs traditionally start to slump when carrying a load DeMarco carried and
6. There's some outstanding running back talent in this draft, guys who would cheaper than Murray

... it makes sense to evaluate Murray and conclude that he might not be worth signing. This isn't downing Murray, necessarily. It's merely making ourselves feel better about our team's prospects should he leave.

 

[myslamsareolder]

You said he can't sustain runs. I've seen no evidence of that. Post those million of videos that prove that. I think you're mistaking him making smart decisions by softening his falls for being "slow".

He cant sustain runs a lot of the time. Listen, you're attacking one of the people who was defending his speed. Not once did I call him slow, but seeking contact the way he often does is not "softening his falls." It is a last ditch effort by him to try and break an otherwise guaranteed tackle. He often loses steam at the end of longish runs, but he is still very much a fast runner. If you haven't noticed the trend you are watching highlights only. However, it is irrelevant. That one "flaw" hardly outweighs all the things that make him special, and he IS special even if people don't want to admit it. He is almost as tough a runner as Lynch. He is almost as good a receiver as McCoy and he is one of the best blocking backs in the NFL. Like I said before, if he had sustained, breakaway speed, I think he would be the best RB in the NFL. He is severely underrated.

 

[Nightman]

And Timmy Smith holds the single game rushing record for the Super Bowl over running backs like Dorsett, Emmitt, Franco, Terrell Davis, John Riggins, Marcus Allen, Marshawn Lynch, Marshall Faulk, etc.



Why is it embarrassing? The opinions are a product of the cap and free agency. If it weren't for money, I'm pretty sure most Cowboys fans would want DeMarco back. But since it's all about money, Cowboys fans - like Cowboys management and ownership - have to evaluate whether it should keep one player over another or why keeping a particular player might not be the best for the team in the long run.

Murray had a phenomenal season. But given the facts that ...

1. Running backs are as valued as other positions
2. We have to resign Dez Bryant
3. Our failures were more on the defensive side of the ball
4. We have an outstanding offensive line that can benefit many running backs
5. Running backs traditionally start to slump when carrying a load DeMarco carried and
6. There's some outstanding running back talent in this draft, guys who would cheaper than Murray

... it makes sense to evaluate Murray and conclude that he might not be worth signing. This isn't downing Murray, necessarily. It's merely making ourselves feel better about our team's prospects should he leave.

If nobody values RB anymore then why is the franchise tag so high? Last year's FA market was down but the quality was down as well.

 

[Typhus]

Murray turned a 4.41 40 at his combine. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/demarco-murray?id=2495207

 

[tyke1doe]

If nobody values RB anymore then why is the franchise tag so high? Last year's FA market was down but the quality was down as well.

Where did I say nobody values RBs anymore? I said they're not valued like other positions?
This is a passing league. Of course, running backs are going to carry a value just like any other position. But the perception is that it's easier to get a good back, and a cheaper one at that, through the draft and that in the later rounds.