Is Garrett the problem with character issue players?

Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by xwalker, Sep 18, 2019.

  1. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    I can honestly say that Jones is the problem with troubled players. I really feel like Garrett, if he had those kind of controls, wouldnt waste any time with these types. His RKG is genuine, its just he doesnt have the power to follow through on it.
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  2. JayFord

    JayFord Well-Known Member

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    All coaches deal with these players its not their job to get them under control or make them do their job

    You either show up ready to play or you find yourself somewhere else to play just like in the working world
  3. CowboyRoy

    CowboyRoy Well-Known Member

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    Taco never had the talent. Those are the facts.
  4. Keithfansince5

    Keithfansince5 Well-Known Member

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    In order to have that dominant and respected figurehead, you HAVE to have an owner who will stand by his HC 100% and not waiver at all. If the owner did that, perhaps Garrett would be more like Bill? It is hard to say because Jerry has never stood behind any HC (Initially he did with JJ) but after that, Jerry undermies his HC's all the time. No HC for Dallas will ever be like Bill Belichick and we have Jerry to thank for this.
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  5. ItzKelz

    ItzKelz Well-Known Member

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    The right kind of guy is not just a JG thing. Every coach has a right kind of guy for his team. Let Taco go to NE and he doesnt buy in then he will get the boot just like he did in Dallas. You can say this about every team in the NFL except maybe the Dolphins.
  6. Mountaineerfan

    Mountaineerfan Well-Known Member

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    This right here explains a 90% of it.
  7. Chuck 54

    Chuck 54 Well-Known Member

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    Way off base here in my opinion. Jimmy didn’t put up with any player’s crap unless he was a super star, and with Haley, he came in at halftime one game, flushed the toilet, and told Haley that was his career as motivation. Taco is not Haley. Garrett put up with a lot of Hardy’s crap until it was obvious Hardy was no longer a difference maker. To identify Garrett as the problem, you’ve got to show some guys he dumped who went on to star elsewhere. I think most of them were just bums after Dallas. No work for Hardy, no work for Dez.

    Taco is likely to get signed somewhere, but he’s the definition of JAG at best.
  8. Darthkuriboh

    Darthkuriboh Well-Known Member

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    Garrett is the problem with 90% of things. Player attitudes are all player issues.
  9. Whirlwin

    Whirlwin Well-Known Member

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    Seems to be a pattern.
  10. Whirlwin

    Whirlwin Well-Known Member

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    I completely support Jason. But you have to see there's a definite pattern here
  11. Idgit

    Idgit Riding the Red Rocket Staff Member

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    I'd start by looking at how many of those problem children went on to have success elsewhere, maybe. From your list, I'd say Ratliff, Martellus Bennett, and TO had any measure of success outside of Dallas.

    TO was TO, but he was also a problem at every single stop. He was gone in 2008, and he had problems with everybody, though Garrett was included in that group because he thought Garrett leaked whatever to the press about whatever.

    Ratliff had money issues, and he went kind of nuts after he left Dallas anyway. Not really a Garrett thing.

    Martellus and Garrett didn't have much mutual respect, but Martellus left for money and playing time behind Witten at the end of his prime. Witten's still playing and Marty is done, so it was probably the right choice for both parties.

    The other guys on that list either had no real issues with Garrett or went on to do nothing after they left, meaning the issue wasn't our coach's ability to motivate them as much as it was really their ability to play in the first place.
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  12. garyo1954

    garyo1954 Well-Known Member

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    Bill Parcell's, "the player." Can't remember one time he used the guy's name. LOL
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  13. JoeKing

    JoeKing Diehard Zone Supporter

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    Pointing out Garrett > Wade Phillips as a HC is not saying much. You seemed to be trying to be making a point in this thread that Garrett had a hand in Taco's failure.
  14. fifaguy

    fifaguy Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for this list of former headcases lol
  15. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    Straight up, I'd rather have Garrett than a shelf full of 'gangster' players who can single handedly downgrade respect from the start.

    You really like New England with Gordon and Brown? Introduce them to your Mom...
  16. Runwildboys

    Runwildboys Well-Known Member

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    Let's not forget, back in the days of Landry, Jimmy, etc., there was no internet to report every little incident. Guys back then were as bad, if not worse at times. You just didn't hear about it as much. IIRC, the Jimmy Johnson era SB teams pretty much ran roughshod over Dallas and got away with it, because of who they were.
  17. willia451

    willia451 Well-Known Member

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    Garrett is the problem with players just in general. No need to single anybody out. He sucks.
  18. Runwildboys

    Runwildboys Well-Known Member

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    Along with Hernandez...oh wait.
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  19. CCBoy

    CCBoy Well-Known Member

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    He kind of toned down when Chad Hennings picked him off his feet and slammed him up against wall lockers.
  20. AbeBeta

    AbeBeta Well-Known Member

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    Better to compare what the players did after they were here. That's the more relevant comparison. Besides Mary B., I don't see any producers. Beasley and Switzer still have the jury out ... but Beas was productive here, we just didn't think he was worth a 3rd contract. Also recall that when he arrived, he quit the team but was convinced to come back and made a nice career of it.
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