Is it Me? Or Was the Offensive Line Kinda Backwards Last Season?

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I don't know. Maybe the Cowboys know something I don't know....

But last year, they had their best LT, who also happens to be the best LG, playing LG. Meanwhile, the player that struggles the most ends up at LT, where his best position happens to be RT.

So what gives? Even when Dak went down, there were no changes in the offensive line where one could argue a player swap may have benefited an offense with a limited Cooper Rush. Or is it that he also likes the best protection from the LG position? Even if so, do these guys know what is best for them and the team?

I get it. They were experimenting out there. But the line could have been better if we had played our players to their strengths relative to doing so having a higher impact on the overall team.

Just my two cents
 
I don't know. Maybe the Cowboys know something I don't know....

But last year, they had their best LT, who also happens to be the best LG, playing LG. Meanwhile, the player that struggles the most ends up at LT, where his best position happens to be RT.

So what gives? Even when Dak went down, there were no changes in the offensive line where one could argue a player swap may have benefited an offebse
but actually it didn't

we've already had this discussion a few times/

Hoffman played better than Martin, Terence steele at the end of the year played better than he did at the beginning, but I believe they didn't want to change the middle because they had a rookie at center and now Hoffman playing.. If they put bass in place of Tyler Smith how is that not gonna weaken an area right down the middle somewhere in one of those two inside gaps the defense don't have to challenge outside to go over top of Tyler Smith now they just move inside and still create the habit that they were creating on the outside..imho

they didn't want to move a better left guard than a left tackle in Tyler Smith, let's be real here he was a really good left tackle, but he's an all pro left guard, there's a difference and you don't know if he goes back out there which he might be unwilling to do at least in his mind he's asking them not to do it he could end up having an offseason readjusting back to left tackle...

The problem here is whenever they wanted to take guyton out he had to go right back in because chuma got hurt then they tried Richards and Richard got hurt and they were rotating people over there and I get what you're saying but our offensive line played way better down the stretch then it did the first games before Prescott got hurt they had a better run game the pass protection was better things looked better for Cooper rush because of all that...​

It can't hurt to start the training camp letting this new scheme this new coaching staff work with guyton at left tackle the parachute would be to move him to right tackle but then what do you do with Terrence Steele he makes a lot of money to be a floater I guess you can make him the swing tackle but I believe he didn't play horrible enough that they wanted to move him last year I mean what were you going to do with steel last year this year might be able to move him and save some money as a June 1st cut but I think if you look at the coaching in the scheme that might be bigger than the players and we have a lot of players on this team maybe Nate Thomas and some others that with the new coaching staff it includes the online coach the offensive coordinator used to be one of the better offensive line coaches and having BS call plays and probably willing to change schemes and mess with alignments more than Mike McCarthy wanted to...

But when you say nothing changed Martin was playing well below his level Cooper BB was trying to catch up and got better Terrence still got better late so really the only swinging weak spot was at LT and they did their best to hide it..

The great thing for Guyton is it's going to be year 2 he's going to be probably more mentally stable, ie calm, and comfortable, better in the weight room, film study, and maybe this coaching staff will help him more than anybody else on this team... His head was spinning that's for sure the more he was getting beat the worse he got he was starting to get penalties and then he was getting injured and then pulled so let's see what it looks like in training camp it'll be very interesting to see how it all works out preseason games will probably be test #1 because if he struggled in a preseason game against probably less talent to pass rushers then they're gonna have to make a change..
 
It's not really that Smith is their best LT, more that he's just far and away the best OL at any position they put him at except maybe C. However, if it's as Broadus claims, the new OL coaches think he's been poorly coached and can be an all world OG.
 
I don't know. Maybe the Cowboys know something I don't know....

But last year, they had their best LT, who also happens to be the best LG, playing LG. Meanwhile, the player that struggles the most ends up at LT, where his best position happens to be RT.

So what gives? Even when Dak went down, there were no changes in the offensive line where one could argue a player swap may have benefited an offense with a limited Cooper Rush. Or is it that he also likes the best protection from the LG position? Even if so, do these guys know what is best for them and the team?

I get it. They were experimenting out there. But the line could have been better if we had played our players to their strengths relative to doing so having a higher impact on the overall team.

Just my two cents
I'm with ya.
The ongoing discussion in the team plans to keep Beebe at C thread has a variety of opinions on the oline too.

I just want the new oline coach Riley to get the best 5 on the field in the best positions to succeed as he determines.

Solari was somewhat clueless.
 
I'm with ya.
The ongoing discussion in the team plans to keep Beebe at C thread has a variety of opinions on the oline too.

I just want the new oline coach Riley to get the best 5 on the field in the best positions to succeed as he determines.

Solari was somewhat clueless.
Give me Hudson houck or bill Callahan any day of the week.
 
I don't know. Maybe the Cowboys know something I don't know....

But last year, they had their best LT, who also happens to be the best LG, playing LG. Meanwhile, the player that struggles the most ends up at LT, where his best position happens to be RT.

So what gives? Even when Dak went down, there were no changes in the offensive line where one could argue a player swap may have benefited an offense with a limited Cooper Rush. Or is it that he also likes the best protection from the LG position? Even if so, do these guys know what is best for them and the team?

I get it. They were experimenting out there. But the line could have been better if we had played our players to their strengths relative to doing so having a higher impact on the overall team.

Just my two cents
Tyler Smith is our left guard. He’s a pro bowler at that position.

That’s where he needs to stay
 
I think the biggest issue with the OL is simply that it's a very average unit. They have one player in Tyler Smith who is definitively in the top half of the league at his position. They have one player in Beebe who was pretty average a year ago. Outside of that you really have 3 positions that we are just being hopeful on. Guyton was awful, Steele was less awful, and Brock Hoffman was a mixed bag who looked like a legitimate starter at times and a true backup caliber player at times.

You can mix and match these guys all you want, but it wont make them any better. At this point I'd argue the best thing to do is just leave them alone and let them grow as they are all offseason.
 
When we drafted these Young bucks I knew it would be a learning process it takes time for them to put on their full man weight and strength.

I'm thinking guyton should be better this year. Steel should be fully healed from his injury BB should step forward and be more than adequate at center Smith will be great wherever they put him and we need to invest in one quality free agent starter .
 
I think the biggest issue with the OL is simply that it's a very average unit. They have one player in Tyler Smith who is definitively in the top half of the league at his position. They have one player in Beebe who was pretty average a year ago. Outside of that you really have 3 positions that we are just being hopeful on. Guyton was awful, Steele was less awful, and Brock Hoffman was a mixed bag who looked like a legitimate starter at times and a true backup caliber player at times.

You can mix and match these guys all you want, but it wont make them any better. At this point I'd argue the best thing to do is just leave them alone and let them grow as they are all offseason.
Where are you coming up with Brock Hoffman being a mixed bag? Brock Hoffman had a PFF average score (66.3), run (62.1) and pass blocking (68.9) scores better than Zack Martin and even Cooper Beebe.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/zack-martin/8651

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/cooper-beebe/99434

Hoffman gave up only 1 sack, only 3 hits allowed and only 6 total pressures. That's pretty darn good. His biggest issue was 5 penalties, but it was to be expected for last season being his first year starting. Not bad of a performance and definitely better than a mixed bag (whatever that means, doesn't sound good).

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/brock-hoffman/54535

If one wants to get technical, Brock Hoffman had less penalties, less sacks allowed, less pressures and less hits allowed than our best rated Olineman in Tyler Smith (75 overall grade) who committed 2 sacks, 4 hits allowed, 22 total pressures allowed and 9 penalties.

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/tyler-smith/98385

The only difference is that Tyler Smith played all season long for a total of 1,052 snaps played. While Brock Hoffman played for only 515 snaps since he didn't come in to play until around the halfway mark of the season when Zack Martin went down with injury and never came back (now retired). Still, Brock Hoffman is better than average for his first time starting in his career and actually rated as the 44th best Guard out of 135 Guards who got to start last season in the NFL. NOT BAD and definitely above average or better than a mixed bag for Hoffman's first time ever starting for his career.
 
Last season's offensive line coach was the most colossal waster of talent I've ever seen in the national football league. How that guy survived all these years is called the good old boy network.
This year's offensive group should be 50% better, at least. However, you still have to throw the ball down the field in order to have a running game.
I know that's the opposite theory of the old narrative, you gotta run the ball to open up the pass. But when the entire league knows you're incapable of mid-range passing, they sit on your running game and short passes.
Seems like we must have just addressed that congratulations Jerry
 
Yeah I agree with those who are saying don't move Smith, keep him where he is forever!!! Left tackle was an experiment the biggest experiment they have a rookie who played the right side in college and placed him on the left side in the NFL!

That was done because we're paying Steele already to be our starter. I don't think it's beneficial to move Steele to the other side, there's a reason why he has never been moved over to the left side!

If they don't keep Steele next season I hope they move Guyton over to the right side
 
I don't know. Maybe the Cowboys know something I don't know....

But last year, they had their best LT, who also happens to be the best LG, playing LG. Meanwhile, the player that struggles the most ends up at LT, where his best position happens to be RT.

So what gives? Even when Dak went down, there were no changes in the offensive line where one could argue a player swap may have benefited an offense with a limited Cooper Rush. Or is it that he also likes the best protection from the LG position? Even if so, do these guys know what is best for them and the team?

I get it. They were experimenting out there. But the line could have been better if we had played our players to their strengths relative to doing so having a higher impact on the overall team.

Just my two cents
I mentioned it in another thread and was kinda roasted for suggesting something close to what your saying. At least Im not alone on this.
 

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