Is Jerry Jones the problem?

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I know he is a generous owner who will do almost anything to put a winner onto the field. But I think sometimes his ego gets in the way of our ultimate goal of bringing the Lombardi home. As I reflect back to the glory days of Emmit, Troy, and the Playmaker, Jerry let Jimmy Johnson take us from 0-16 to a 3-time champion. I sincerely think it would have been at least 5-rings total had Jerry not let his ego get into the way and firing Jimmy.

Since Jimmy, the only credible coach we had was Bill Parcells who Jerry essentially got rid of. We've since had coaches like Chan Gailey, Barry Switzer, and now Wade. I was thoroughly disappointed that he didn't get Dom Capers or someone like him because I frankly don't believe in Wade.

I think the reason why we won't see a legitimate coach (with a backbone) on our sidelines because of Jerry. We have the talent to win all, but until we get a coach that will instill some discipline in this team I'm afraid we won't go far. I think that falls on Jerry - the real problem with our Cowboys. :(
 

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dbair1967;2963754 said:
REALLY original thinking and thread here.

:rolleyes:
I highly doubt you care about the originality of his thread, but that you can't stand the continual bagging on Jethro.
 

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Royal Laegotti;2963768 said:
I highly doubt you care about the originality of his thread, but that you can't stand the continual bagging on Jethro.

No, it was the originality, especially when right below it was another thread with basically the same title.

Its fine if people want to bang on Jones. He deserves some blame. Probably not as much now as people want to give him, but some.

He definitely deserved more blame during the Switzer-Gailey-Campo years. All three of those were painfully stupid decisions.
 

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dbair1967;2963777 said:
No, it was the originality, especially when right below it was another thread with basically the same title.

Its fine if people want to bang on Jones. He deserves some blame. Probably not as much now as people want to give him, but some.

He definitely deserved more blame during the Switzer-Gailey-Campo years. All three of those were painfully stupid decisions.

I have to agree with that and Wade can easily fit in that group as far as leadership goes.
 

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Royal Laegotti;2963780 said:
I have to agree with that and Wade can easily fit in that group as far as leadership goes.

I think its fair to say Jones should have canned Wade after the end of the season, but unlike those other 3 I can understand why he made the decision to hire Wade, and that did make sense. The decisions to hire the other 3 in the first place were moronic, I dont think the decision to hire Wade was moronic.
 

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dbair1967;2963777 said:
No, it was the originality, especially when right below it was another thread with basically the same title.

Its fine if people want to bang on Jones. He deserves some blame. Probably not as much now as people want to give him, but some.

He definitely deserved more blame during the Switzer-Gailey-Campo years. All three of those were painfully stupid decisions.

Actually, in all honesty I didn't see the below thread. I've been thinking about posting this - so I logged on and posted.

Fact is for me - Jerry needs to hire a real GM, let his coaches coach, and stay in the owners luxury suite for 60 minutes of every game.

Mods - feel free to merge
 

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Royal Laegotti;2963780 said:
I have to agree with that and Wade can easily fit in that group as far as leadership goes.

IMO this latest run of puppet HC is worse than the other Jimmy-Parcells interim period because A. Jerry's done before with disastrous consequence and B. We had a team on the rise after the Parcells turnaround vs. a talented but aging team in the late 90's. Ana average coach that wasn't just trying to be liked would have had his team ready for that Giant playoff game, pure and simple.
 

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Duh. You should've figured that out right after Jimmy Johnson left. Jerry Jones is everything you think that he is. He wants all the credit and none of the blame.

As a fan, there's absolutely NOTHING you can do to change this either. There will be 20 other people who watch the game in your place, who buy the merchandise, and who buy tickets to the games. Even if you got 1000 other people to band together and have a voice, there would be 1000 others who would fall into place.

You can get on here and complain as much as you want, but the truth is that you have no influence on the decisions that are made and you never will. That's a harsh reality for legit, diehards to swallow. It's probably better just to not have a favorite team than to deal with it. The only recourse will be Jerry retiring.
 
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Its his problem for hiring a DC as head coach.

For being infatuated with JG for no reason. As bright as he "might be", he has not heart or fire and would make a horrible head coach.

And also his problem for not drafting any stud WR's as a contingency plan for cutting TO. A young QB on the roster other than Mcgee would be nice too.
 

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UVAwahoos;2963790 said:
Duh. You should've figured that out right after Jimmy Johnson left. Jerry Jones is everything you think that he is. He wants all the credit and none of the blame.

As a fan, there's absolutely NOTHING you can do to change this either. There will be 20 other people who watch the game in your place, who buy the merchandise, and who buy tickets to the games. Even if you got 1000 other people to band together and have a voice, there would be 1000 others who would fall into place.

You can get on here and complain as much as you want, but the truth is that you have no influence on the decisions that are made and you never will. That's a harsh reality for legit, diehards to swallow. It's probably better just to not have a favorite team than to deal with it. The only recourse will be Jerry retiring.

You are absolutely right.

That is why I am no longer a diehard Cowboys fan like I used to be. I have quit soaring high with the wins and being depressed for a week or a month after the big game failures.

I love the game of football and the Cowboys are still my favorite team but I don't buy anything that would benefit Jerry Jones and HIS Cowboys. I also no longer care whether they win or lose but simply want to watch a good game or good football and it makes no difference to me who wins or loses or which player does well or fails.

Some people may not understand my attitude and I may have missed a few exalting moments over the last 13 years or so but I have also avoided many times more depressive times following losses in must-win situations or lacadaisical play or 44-6 blowouts.

Jerry Jones may be considered the best owner in the league but he is also the worst GM/Head Coach in the league. He deserves the problems he creates for himself but I refuse to suffer for his egotism and stupidity.

It only hurts if you care. I have quit caring years ago.

If you like football but don't care who wins, life is good anyway.

I realize there will be a thousand people who don't feel the same way and who will each give thousands of dollars to Billionaire Jones but that is their problem not mine. It's all good as it helps the economy and creates lots of minimum wage stadium jobs.
 

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notherbob;2963949 said:
You are absolutely right.

That is why I am no longer a diehard Cowboys fan like I used to be. I have quit soaring high with the wins and being depressed for a week or a month after the big game failures.

I love the game of football and the Cowboys are still my favorite team but I don't buy anything that would benefit Jerry Jones and HIS Cowboys. I also no longer care whether they win or lose but simply want to watch a good game or good football and it makes no difference to me who wins or loses or which player does well or fails.

Some people may not understand my attitude and I may have missed a few exalting moments over the last 13 years or so but I have also avoided many times more depressive times following losses in must-win situations or lacadaisical play or 44-6 blowouts.

Jerry Jones may be considered the best owner in the league but he is also the worst GM/Head Coach in the league. He deserves the problems he creates for himself but I refuse to suffer for his egotism and stupidity.

It only hurts if you care. I have quit caring years ago.

If you like football but don't care who wins, life is good anyway.

I realize there will be a thousand people who don't feel the same way and who will each give thousands of dollars to Billionaire Jones but that is their problem not mine. It's all good as it helps the economy and creates lots of minimum wage stadium jobs.

much like you bob - i've fallen into that line. love my cowboys, will keep following them, but it's entertainment, nothing more to me. i'd like to see us win. hell, i'd like to see us win ever single game. but that's as realistic as the fans who come in here after every single loss wanting to give the team an enema and hire matt jones, promote kitna over romo, and of course, the usual like clockwork "jones must go" fan.

the intensity of the stupidity of the rabid fan has just worn me down. the constant tirade of dead horse beating after dead horse beating takes its toll and then *i* need to vent at their venting.

neither of which does any good.

jones isn't going anywhere.
whiners will never shut up about it and keep asking, pretending to themselves that if 1 more person asks, jones will read it and step down.

just for them.

i have enough jerseys to get me by and if the need comes to me for another one, korea makes quite a few that are close enough for me at 1/6th the price.

i know lately it seems my only contributions to the forums are to go WAUGHAUH every time someone flogs a dead horse topic but that gets me more riled up than a romo INT.

it's venting, i know. i do it too, only like this. but i just can't understand for the life of me how someone could pop in a "jones must go" thread and not feel like a total moron.
 

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UVAwahoos;2963790 said:
Duh. You should've figured that out right after Jimmy Johnson left. Jerry Jones is everything you think that he is. He wants all the credit and none of the blame.

I don't think Jerry Jones absolves himself of blame. I believe fans do a better job of that than he does. I actually think he's hard on himself, but too often his ego won't let him admit he needs help and a lot of it.
 

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UVAwahoos;2963790 said:
Duh. You should've figured that out right after Jimmy Johnson left. Jerry Jones is everything you think that he is. He wants all the credit and none of the blame.

As a fan, there's absolutely NOTHING you can do to change this either. There will be 20 other people who watch the game in your place, who buy the merchandise, and who buy tickets to the games. Even if you got 1000 other people to band together and have a voice, there would be 1000 others who would fall into place.

You can get on here and complain as much as you want, but the truth is that you have no influence on the decisions that are made and you never will. That's a harsh reality for legit, diehards to swallow. It's probably better just to not have a favorite team than to deal with it. The only recourse will be Jerry retiring.

that hits the nail on the head, jerry jones is to blame for some things, thats true. Letting his ego get in the way of letting jimmy johnson go. The dallas cowboys could have won 3 superbowls if he had let jimmy keep the players he wanted and ken norton, kevin gogan hadnt gone to 49ers.

And that is who jerry jones is, His ego, he wants all of the credit. In reality he should because he hires the head coach, he pays the players, etc. Something that jerry jones doesnt realize is this; all jerry has to do is ask troy aikman how he felt about switzer as a head coach, the players have to respect or fear the head coach, believe in him as the head coach, but when the owner is in charge and the players know it, there is little respect for that head coach because the players know they can go to the owner and complain, some of that was changed to that attitude with the letting go of T O, pacman, tank johnson, tony curtis, but the Head Coach must still be in charge, till jerry learns that its tough, but can be done because that happened when jerry hired puppet switzer, but the team was already built and in place iwth leadership of the players, thats something jerry jones hasnt learned yet, you would think in 13 years he would have learned it

But at the same time, we know as real hardcore football fans, the head coach should run the team, period, not the owner.

Just like right now, wr johnny knox in chicago is lighting it up to a degree, but what did we do with ogletree, he is sitting on the bench while last sunday none of our wrs stepped up.

Only way for this team to win to a degree is a tough hard nosed head coach, that doesnt put up with anything from players, will stand up to jerry jones head to toe.

If things do get bad with wade and a bad season, then yes jerry jones might go get a big name coach to keep his new stadium filled, because fans arent going to pay the prices that it cost now with another year of wade, if its a losing season. Jerry will be forced to do something.

However, i am of the mind, go get a young defensive minded head coach or a young urban meyer, but keep in place coaches like jason garrett, or some coaches that the young coach that takes over he has some coaches that have nfl experience. ITs like jerry jones said, with college coaches, there is a learning curve that they have to learn. which means about 2 years to learn the nfl.

this team needs about 3 big things, some play makers;
like when jerry jones went out and got charles haley
play makers like michael irvin and deion sanders
some high draft picks with the talent of a ware.

you only get those players high in the draft

example, when the cowboys were built with jimmy and jerry
troy aikman number one pick overall
russell maryland number one pick overall
michael irvin mid number one pick
alvin harper top 15 number one pick
kevin smith top 15 number one pick
emmitt smith 17th pick in first round
larry allen number 2 pick
erik williams number 3 pick

the highest pick we have had in first round at offensive line was gurode and flozell
bigg leonard davis was a high number one pick
columbo was a top 25 number one pick

yet, you all heard jerry jones said money wise, it costs to much to pay a top 5 pick, yet if you look at top teams they have a few of those high star playmakers on their team;

when jerry jones realizes all of these things, and wade does his job, then things might change

there is always hope because i still feel that romo might turn it on as qb somewhere around his 50th start as a starter, romo is at 41 so far;

we do have some high picks on this team;
leonard davis top 5 pick, you all saw him open holes sunday night
ware a top 11 pick in first round
newman a top 7 pick in first round
roy williams a top 10 pick in first round

so it can be done with romo turning the light bulb on sometime this year;
and wade must get off of his lazy rear end and do his job on defense, stop waiting to fix things, because the offense looks fixed, they have been scoring 30 points or more last 2 games, special teams are doing their job and improving, but defense stinks to a degree because good ole wade isnt dooing his job, thats something that jerry jones should make wade aware of and hold wade responsible
 

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cowboyjoe;2964006 said:
that hits the nail on the head, jerry jones is to blame for some things, thats true. Letting his ego get in the way of letting jimmy johnson go. The dallas cowboys could have won 3 superbowls if he had let jimmy keep the players he wanted and ken norton, kevin gogan hadnt gone to 49ers.

And that is who jerry jones is, His ego, he wants all of the credit. In reality he should because he hires the head coach, he pays the players, etc.

Finances caused us to lose players like Norton and Gogan. That is his (and Stephen's)fault for our rough beginning once free agency hit the NFL. The biggest problem was not replacing that quality of player through the draft after Johnson left and the unbelieveably bad head coaching decisions Jones made.

But at the same time, we know as real hardcore football fans, the head coach should run the team, period, not the owner.

That is the way that 29 other teams in the NFL have the dynamic set up as it should be. Oakland, Dallas and Cincinnati to a lesser degree have the owner involved like a general manager.

Only way for this team to win to a degree is a tough hard nosed head coach, that doesnt put up with anything from players, will stand up to jerry jones head to toe.

Why should the head coach have to "stand up" to the general manager? The two should be working in unison without agendas. The head coach should be allowed to choose his staff, coach his team, discipline his team and establish direction. The GM should work with that coach to acquire talent per the direction of the organization and provide the coach with the proper tools. Where you see teams having problems is where they don't have that kind of dynamic in place. Either there is an overbearing GM who has an ego issue that interferes with the coach or their is a coach trying to wear both hats. The traditional hands-off owner, football-minded GM and strong head coach is generally optimal. Why some teams think they can buck what is basic common sense is beyond me.

If things do get bad with wade and a bad season, then yes jerry jones might go get a big name coach to keep his new stadium filled, because fans arent going to pay the prices that it cost now with another year of wade, if its a losing season. Jerry will be forced to do something.

Economics will drive him to that. But if the team does reasonably well, or he can find an excuse to keep things as they are, I could see him continuing. Perhaps it wouldn't be with Phillips, but he certainly could go forward. Except it might be a Jason Garrett in the same powerless position as Wade Phillips is in--a coordinator with a fancy title.



this team needs about 3 big things, some play makers;
like when jerry jones went out and got charles haley
play makers like michael irvin and deion sanders
some high draft picks with the talent of a ware.

you only get those players high in the draft

example, when the cowboys were built with jimmy and jerry
troy aikman number one pick overall
russell maryland number one pick overall
michael irvin mid number one pick
alvin harper top 15 number one pick
kevin smith top 15 number one pick
emmitt smith 17th pick in first round
larry allen number 2 pick
erik williams number 3 pick

Excellent. All we need now is to find a way to reincarnate Mike Lynn and trade him Herschel Walker again.

the highest pick we have had in first round was gurode and flozell
bigg leonard davis was a high number one pick
columbo was a top 25 number one pick

It just takes smarter drafting consistently, not top 10 choices.
 
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