Is mike Mayock Stupid?

[theogt]

Why would they even have to be better?

How about just a nice complement to what we have in Marion Barber?

You would think we didn't have a Pro Bowl runningback on this team the way people are wailing on and on about how we have to have a "home run threat".

Sure, it would be nice. But hardly necessary or even worth the price.

Is there anyone actually advocating trading up for McFadden? Or are you just wailing at straw men?

 

[superpunk]

Maybe not stupid, but he definitely likes hearing himself talk and feels the need to make surprising statements in a draft where, let's face it, there's not alot of exciting big name prospects at skill positions.

Tough to dominate the SEC when your legs go dead on contact, I guess. Makes me wonder how McFadden managed it.

 

[Alexander]

Is there anyone actually advocating trading up for McFadden? Or are you just wailing at straw men?

Trust me, there are more than enough people who still advocate it.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Why would they even have to be better?

How about just a nice complement to what we have in Marion Barber?

You would think we didn't have a Pro Bowl runningback on this team the way people are wailing on and on about how we have to have a "home run threat".

Sure, it would be nice. But hardly necessary or even worth the price.

They dont, Barber is one of the better backs in the NFL but they might be...
for me if they are a better player than JJ was then Cowboys have improved

 

[David276]

In terms of the homosexual angle, there are more than enough Cowboy fans running around that fit that bill that I don't think McFadden needs more of it.

hahaha

 

[theogt]

Trust me, there are more than enough people who still advocate it.

Well, they're stupid too.

 

[Alexander]

for me if they are a better player than JJ was then Cowboys have improved

Well. This shouldn't be hard then, should it?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Anyone that thinks McFadden's "character issues" are something that would put Mendenhall over him is pretty "stupid."

Your point seemed to be that he backs up what he says. There he didn't. That's all I'm saying.

I don't normally disagree with you, cause you're usually right in line with things but on this particular one, if I'm thinking of the same clip, he wasn't saying much about his leg drive he was talking about the fact that one of the high praises about DMac is his ability to make things happen in the open field.

In this particular situation he had a one on one with a LB and had loads of open space around him and Mike was saying this is a situation where the RB has to win 10 out of 10 times. His critism was that the guy not only got him but got him with very little effort while Dmac possesses all these great open field skills.

I'm not saying that Mayock is a genius, he clearly makes some silly remarks, but on this one I do have to agree with him. This was a situation where DMac simply has to win 10 out of 10 times so it's got to be pointed out.

At the same time I'm sure it could have possibly just been a bad play, all players have them, but I get where Mayock was coming from on it.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Well. This shouldn't be hard then, should it?

you wouldnt think

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mayock at least backed up his reasoning with things on film. That is hardly stupid.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Mayock tried to point out that McFadden wasn't that fast. And today's combine just laughs at that notion.






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[Alexander]

Mayock tried to point out that McFadden wasn't that fast.

When did he say that?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

When did he say that?

When he talked about some LSU linebacker (who might actually have been a safety) "catching" McFadden from behind.

This on about a 70-yard TD run, so obviously nobody "caught" him.

This is my first combine with NFLN, and the most I've ever seen Mayock. Yeah, he seems to me to have a big ego and be a little... Weird. Kiper at least seems to have some kind of sense of humor about what he's doing.

But back to being stupid... Making sweeping pronouncements about a top player after watching only three games of his is definitely pretty stupid. Sound like you simply agree with him about this one player.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

The more I listen to Mayock lately the more I think he's on too much medication...

 

[theogt]

Mayock tried to point out that McFadden wasn't that fast. And today's combine just laughs at that notion.

Yeah, that was pretty stupid.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I do find it amusing when he's called "stupid" when basically all he is doing is bucking conventional "wisdom" and hype.

He'd be "stupid" if he didn't have anything to back up his assertions. He will answer intelligently to criticism, as he has with his talk about McFadden. But in general, those calling him stupid aren't even intelligent enough to listen to and process what he says, which is nothing but factual observation that you can get if you do watch the same footage he does. He challenged Marshall Faulk and basically shut down his argument because Faulk admitted he hadn't watch a single coach's film on a player.

Very nice.

 

[Alexander]

When he talked about some LSU linebacker (who might actually have been a safety) "catching" McFadden from behind.

This on about a 70-yard TD run, so obviously nobody "caught" him.

I heard it.

And he said he "nearly" caught him.

Mayock has never denied McFadden's straight line speed. He said this several times throughout the broadcast.

He doesn't even think he's a bad player, he just doesn't think he is Superman.

In that particular clip, what he was talking about was his lack of an extra gear to pull away from pursuit. He was referring to the fact that LSU LB Ali Highsmith (who barely broke a 5.00 in his own 40 relay) was nearly able to catch him on a run when he should have been pulling away into the open field. The clip came about as the result of the discussion where many of McFadden's long runs rarely were through traffic and came because he typically broke everything outside where angles were his ally and that he rarely had to kick it into another gear to split a defense.

Everyone is so ready to jump on him because he's criticizing the object of far too many fantasies that they don't even listen to what he says. Case in point right here. He never said McFadden wasn't fast. Yet, some fans get all excited when he doesn't drop to his knees at the mention of McFadden's name.

But back to being stupid... Making sweeping pronouncements about a top player after watching only three games of his is definitely pretty stupid.

What analyst watches more than that? Outside of a team's fan, who is going to get to do it. Kiper doesn't do it. Nobody does it. They've all gone on record saying it is impossible. What he does do is watch coaches' film, which few do. And it tells a different story.

Sound like you simply agree with him about this one player.

And it sounds like many simply disagree with his opinion, so they resort to the "stupid" label. He is far from it. He at least takes time to back up what he says, like it or not. I am glad he's been added to the landscape. At least it makes the rank and file cackle like hens when he bucks "conventional wisdom".

That's far more than Kiper or any other analyst out there does.

 

[theogt]

Alex, I've seen him use that single clip of McFadden numerous times, probably 5 or 6 times over the past couple of weeks, and each time he is strongly implying that McFadden simply isn't that fast. I seriously doubt we see that clip again after the 4.27.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Mayock at least backed up his reasoning with things on film. That is hardly stupid.

Well it is when you only look at three games and claim he's not worth a top 20 pick and then from watching all that tape you decipher that he's not that fast.

It was either McFadden isn't that fast or SEC defenses are really slow and one 4.27 dash later we know the answer.

Yeah, running backs....even the great ones....do go down on first contact from time to time.



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[Yakuza Rich]

Kiper at least seems to have some kind of sense of humor about what he's doing.

Depends. If fans are razzing him at the draft, he takes it well. When he's getting owned by Merrill Hoge (see Mike Williams), he's a bit unprofessional.




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