Is Moss Done?

[Cythim]

Kraft learned with Parcells that the coach needs to have input in personnel decisions. Belichick and Pioli were splitting GM duties until Pioli went to KC. Belichick has nearly absolute authority now.

 

[tyke1doe]

They still lost when it mattered most, Salty

Does anyone remember the last series of that Super Bowl when Brady heaves a ball to Moss who is double covered? Maybe it's just me, but in looking at those replays it looks like if Moss had given an extreme effort on that play he possibly makes that catch. It just seems to me he gave up because it wasn't right where he needed to be.

Maybe I'm reading more into it than what's there, but that has always been my impression of Randy Moss. He is extremely talented, but if the ball at right in his vicinity, he isn't going all out to make a play.

So, in some ways, I put the loss of a Super Bowl and a perfect season not only on the Giants defense and Eli luck, but the subtle lackidasical attitude exhibited by Moss. Maybe I'm being unfair, but that's my perspective, unfounded as it may be.

 

[casmith07]

Does anyone remember the last series of that Super Bowl when Brady heaves a ball to Moss who is double covered? Maybe it's just me, but in looking at those replays it looks like if Moss had given an extreme effort on that play he possibly makes that catch. It just seems to me he gave up because it wasn't right where he needed to be.

Maybe I'm reading more into it than what's there, but that has always been my impression of Randy Moss. He is extremely talented, but if the ball at right in his vicinity, he isn't going all out to make a play.

So, in some ways, I put the loss of a Super Bowl and a perfect season not only on the Giants defense and Eli luck, but the subtle lackidasical attitude exhibited by Moss. Maybe I'm being unfair, but that's my perspective, unfounded as it may be.

He plays when he wants to play.

 

[yimyammer]

Im just saying any talk of Jerry being GM of the Year, even jokingly, is borderline insanity.

As for Kraft: Belicheck, im not really sure what they're relationship is, nor does it really matter.. all i said is that what they are doing in that organization, as far as bringing in intelligent players, is something that this organization clearly has no concept of how to do. They bring in guys, teach them the right way to play, to play for each other as a team, and they go. They win.. year after year, they win. They don't necissarily have the most athletic or most talented players.. but they have intelligent, hard nosed football guys. They know how to motivate them to play to their best, and to how to get everyone on the same page week in and week out.

Clearly, they are doing something much better and more efficient with their player evaluation over there than we even have the slightest clue how to do. Hopefully Garrett can bring about a change in the attitude of the players we bring in, and the type of players we bring in as well. Im sure Garrett, if allowed, will bring in solid, intelligent coaches who know how to get the best out of our players, and we can put a staff in place that will help motivate our guys and have them organized and playing smart, disciplined football week in and week out, and get everyone on the same page here.

We need structure badly.

Read Education of a Coach by David Halberstam.

Bilichick has been breaking down film since he was 5 years old and a guy that most people don't know much about is his right hand man, Ernie Adams has been friends with Belichick since they were in elementary school. They are both football freaks and have been obsessed with it since they were kids. It doesn't hurt that Ernie is smart as hell and Belichick isn't far behind, if at all.

Aside from their vast experience and expertise, One of their biggest strengths (IMO) is their ability to think outside the box.

A great read about Ernie can be found here:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=adams

The Patriots not only do things better than the Cowboys, they do it better than every other team as well (just my opinion, I realize some people disagree and hate everything about the Pats, so save your keystrokes).

Obviously, I'm with you and would love to see the Cowboys emulate and even surpass the Pats in terms of on field success as well as how their organization is structured (I'm greedy).

This is why I'm optimistic about Garrett, he has a similar pedigree as Belichick; both Bill and Jasons dads were scouts and both have been involved with football their entire lives, they're also very intelligent. Jason has the benefit of playing in the NFL whereas Belichick has the experience, proven track record, trust and I think players realize listening to him works and if they don't they know they'll be gone.

Garrett gives me hope if the organization can get on board and be structured in a way to maximize the chances of winning which just happens to be the greatest form of marketing for an NFL team so Jerry won't lose anything if he can find a way to keep the main thing, the main thing, i.e. winning.

 

[tupperware]

14-2
10-6
11-5
16-0
12-4
10-6
14-2
14-2
9-7
11-5


Not a bad past 10 years.

 

[yimyammer]

14-2
10-6
11-5
16-0
12-4
10-6
14-2
14-2
9-7
11-5


Not a bad past 10 years.

Modern day Landry....

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Does anyone remember the last series of that Super Bowl when Brady heaves a ball to Moss who is double covered? Maybe it's just me, but in looking at those replays it looks like if Moss had given an extreme effort on that play he possibly makes that catch. It just seems to me he gave up because it wasn't right where he needed to be.

Maybe I'm reading more into it than what's there, but that has always been my impression of Randy Moss. He is extremely talented, but if the ball at right in his vicinity, he isn't going all out to make a play.

So, in some ways, I put the loss of a Super Bowl and a perfect season not only on the Giants defense and Eli luck, but the subtle lackidasical attitude exhibited by Moss. Maybe I'm being unfair, but that's my perspective, unfounded as it may be.

That's exactly how I feel about him. Talented as they are, guys like him and T.O. ain't worth having on your team when it's all said and done. Unless all you want to do is sell jerseys.

 

[bmzt31]

he was garbage after he was traded and then traded again this yr. He ma have only gotten a few catches when wearin TEN jersey