Is Stephen Jones a "Football Guy?"

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I think when Jerra finally hangs it up, the Cowboys will be in extremely good hands with Stephen.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;4552958 said:
I think when Jerra finally hangs it up, the Cowboys will be in extremely good hands with Stephen.

Could be 10-15 years out -- I suspect Jerry is going to hang on like Al Davis.

They might even skip Stephen and go straight to the kid.
 

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perrykemp;4553180 said:
Could be 10-15 years out -- I suspect Jerry is going to hang on like Al Davis.

They might even skip Stephen and go straight to the kid.
The torch has been passed for the most part as is evident in this entire off season except to the blind few who can't see the forrest for the trees. Anyone expecting a formal announcement, there won't be one...just look at what's going on, it's pretty evident.
 

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cowboy_ron;4553187 said:
The torch has been passed for the most part as is evident in this entire off season except to the blind few who can't see the forrest for the trees. Anyone expecting a formal announcement, there won't be one...just look at what's going on, it's pretty evident.


I'm committed with every ounce of energy and financial resources that I have. And obviously I do intend to be, in every phase, ultimately responsible, but the ultimate decision-maker, too. In everything about what we're doing. - Jerry Jones, 2/24/12

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=B5E2694B-E350-F0E9-06A50A965313D2B8

Jerry Jones. One of the blind few.
 

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Risen Star;4553197 said:
I'm committed with every ounce of energy and financial resources that I have. And obviously I do intend to be, in every phase, ultimately responsible, but the ultimate decision-maker, too. In everything about what we're doing. - Jerry Jones, 2/24/12

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm?id=B5E2694B-E350-F0E9-06A50A965313D2B8

Jerry Jones. One of the blind few.

I said it wouldn't be announced...and it won't be...Jerrys pride won't allow that to happen, you just have to observe the moves now vs the ones in the past....NONE of these have been "Jerry moves"
 

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cowboy_ron;4553245 said:
I said it wouldn't be announced...and it won't be...Jerrys pride won't allow that to happen, you just have to observe the moves now vs the ones in the past....NONE of these have been "Jerry moves"

I can't see...
 

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cowboy_ron;4553245 said:
I said it wouldn't be announced...and it won't be...Jerrys pride won't allow that to happen, you just have to observe the moves now vs the ones in the past....NONE of these have been "Jerry moves"

As, so he's trying to throw us off by telling us, when he didn't have to, that he will be the decision maker in all aspects of the team.

Keep me up to speed on this. Otherwise all I'd have to go by is reality.
 

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Jerry is still the ultimate decision maker, but Stephen is making more and more decisions with Jerry's stamp of approval. Meaning, Stephen is making decisions and then swaying Jerry to his way of thinking when the two don't see eye-to-eye.

Much like when Stephen said he had to have a gun to Jerry's head to keep him from trading next year's draft picks to recoup the 2nd they traded away this year. IMO, next year's draft loses picks if it wasn't for Stephen in the war room telling Jerry no.

Of course Jerry isn't going to tell the world that Stephen is making most of the moves, so we will just have to determine for ourselves. If you think Jerry has to be in the ground before Stephen has a big influence on what goes on with the Cowboys, then I don't know what to tell you... I guess you'll just assume Jerry's doing everything until he dies.

The rest of us will watch as Stephen's power within the organization grows and we will put two and two together as day-to-day operations and personnel acquisitions continue to change from the way they were even five years ago.

IMO, the combination of Stephen and Jason Garrett has completely changed the way the franchise is run from a football standpoint.
 

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jnday;4552874 said:
Stephen may or may not be a football guy, but the fuzzy-headed grandboy is a sure thing.

He probably has about the same amount of experience as his daddy and grand daddy had.
 

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AsthmaField;4553330 said:
Jerry is still the ultimate decision maker, but Stephen is making more and more decisions with Jerry's stamp of approval.

I agree with that.
 

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cowboy_ron;4553187 said:
The torch has been passed for the most part as is evident in this entire off season except to the blind few who can't see the forrest for the trees. Anyone expecting a formal announcement, there won't be one...just look at what's going on, it's pretty evident.

that is cryptic, huh? ':confused: Splain.
 

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perrykemp;4553180 said:
Could be 10-15 years out -- I suspect Jerry is going to hang on like Al Davis.

They might even skip Stephen and go straight to the kid.
:eek:

Damn, son.
 

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Risen Star;4553352 said:
I agree with that.


It seems pretty evident to me. To those of us who have always paid close attention to the draft and pro personnel acquisition, there is a clear difference.

I look at it in stages:

1. Post Jimmy Johnson, i.e. The Dark Years. roughly 1994-2002. Jerry was constantly meddling, thinking he saw the next Haley in Shante Carver, or the next Novacek in David LeFluer, or the next Woodson in Tony Dixon. Of course it all culminated with the Quincy Carter pick, which was mercifully the end of very bad Jerry.

2. The Parcells era, i.e. The Renaissance. 2003-2009. Jerry had hit competitive bottom during The Dark Years, and realized he needed to do things differently. We all saw that with him hiring a strong head coach, but what was less evident was how open he was to Parcells changing the scouting and pro personnel departments. He went along with the over-haul and since this period, the Cowboys have been drafting pretty well (except for 2009). Jerry still would go off the reservation from time-to-time, but overall, the drafting was light years away from the 1994-2002 era. Still, with a relatively weak coach after Parcells (Phillips) who Jerry (IMO) didn't respect outside of defensive coaching, he still made some decisions that were more Jerry than the collective.

Incidentally, it was during this period that I first noticed Stephen having a bigger say in things when T.O. was sent packing along with Pacman Jones and Tank Johnson. I fully believed then that it was Stephen who drove those cuts and that he had to go toe-to-toe with Jerry to accomplish them. He won and that marked a clear line of where Stephen started really putting his stamp on the Cowboys.

3. Garrett/Stephen era. i.e. The Right Way. 2010-Present. Stephen follows the scouting departments advice and opinions and has increasingly more power given to him by his father, who is somewhat passing the torch. Jerry still has veto power, but he uses it sparingly these days. In addition to Stephen gaining power, Jason Garrett is respected highly by Jerry Jones. He has a clear plan that encompasses all aspects of the franchise and Jerry has bought completely into it. Jerry made the decision that Garrett's plan is a good one, and he's stepping out of the way (somewhat) to allow Garrett and Stephen to implement it. Jason is filling the team with football players who love the game, play smart, and play hard. Stephen, IMO, feels the same way about getting players as Jason, and they are proceeding in lock-step towards putting their team together. No more taking risks on players. They are simply targeting their type of guy and making sure they get him. Moves in the draft since Garrett took over are almost non-existent, with only moving up to get Clairborne as the lone exception... and that was for a blue-chip player who is the right kind of guy, and came relatively cheap. Other than that, the team has stayed put and drafted to their board. If that isn't a clear indicator that things have changed, then I don't know what is.

Speaking for myself, this is the first time since Jimmy Johnson was getting his players that I've been proud of the way Dallas does things. It is clear to me that a whole lot has changed throughout the franchise, and the results are very positive since 2010.

IMO, things are finally headed in the right direction, and it is because of a decision Jerry made... the decision to back away and let Stephen and Jason do things their way.
 
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