CFZ Is The Defense Dominant?

[Nova]

Nah they weren't lights out they may have flipped some switch but it was a dimmer switch you don't leave plays on the field like Trayvon diggs did in San Francisco you can't drop that interception you can't allow kittles to get free catch on that big play.. So there were plays left on the field by the defense even though they played better than the offense..

I think lights out means something different to me than it does to you, lol. I didn't mean to imply that they were the 2000 Ravens or anything.

Just meant that they were more than ready for the moment, which was actually a question going into the playoffs.

Diggs really disappointed against SF, and some plays were left on the field. But they more than held up their end.

 

[Nexx]

missing one big piece to the puzzle... D/T who can reek havoc on the interior.

 

[blueblood70]

I think lights out means something different to me than it does to you, lol. I didn't mean to imply that they were the 2000 Ravens or anything.

Just meant that they were more than ready for the moment, which was actually a question going into the playoffs.

Diggs really disappointed against SF, and some plays were left on the field. But they more than held up their end.

Doesn't matter the greatest defenses of all time would it not left those on the field. they created and took advantage of every opportunity that was in front of them... we did not

 

[Nova]

Doesn't matter the greatest defenses of all time would it not left those on the field. they created and took advantage of every opportunity that was in front of them... we did not

Isn't... isn't that what I implied?

 

[quickccc]

I’ll be watching to see if the defense is truly a dominant unit anywhere near top defenses from the 70’s and 90’s in Dallas or like other dominant defenses. Or will they again be a bunch of great pass rushers making some big plays, but still allowing long drives and struggling against the run. I started a thread this morning which some of you got shut down before I could come home from work and golf to respond….lol. Way to go!

One comment asked what I expect Mike and Brian to do that Linehan, Garrett, and Moore didn’t do? Duh, hate to be insulting, but for over a decade I’ve listened to fans complain about our outdated offense and heard defenses (including SF) say they knew what we were running before the snap and often ran the routes better than our receivers, so yes, I’m expecting more of the west coast offense, more screens, more FB, more short passes and YAC, and lots more picks and bunch plays. No more 3 receivers all running 5-7 yard curls at the same time.

Another comment acted like I started another Dak thread….ummm, the title had Dak’s name in it, but it was clearly notifying anyone reading the title that I was hoping to avoid that topic, and the thread was more about how I think the defense has something to prove too. It’s one thing to be a good defense with lots of pass rushers and takeaways. It’s another thing to be an elite defense that actually dominates the opposition and forces lots of punting and a lopsided time of possession. I keep hoping our defense is approaching being more than opportunistic, better than playing complimentary football. Maybe that’s asking a lot, but I’m hoping.

- I do not expect a true WCO scheme, as I think we'll still go shotgun vs under the center.
- I do not expect true WCO pass design, as I've learned OC Brian Shott is a exponent of the rhythm time based offense
and I do not think they will totally revamp Dak all over in the WCO, (whose been in nuthin Rhythm time offense since
entering NFL in 2016)

- Just me guess-working..
Some or much concepts they will keep so as it will be lesser strains on Dak in totally learning an offense..imo. .
Some passes will be throwing to a spot where the WR expected to be in/out of cut.. while passes will be after the
a target comes in/out of breaks - these may be the more shorter, underneath routes. roll outs, etc.

- I do expect play action and roll outs, (even from shot gun formation) If there's RPO's it will be more
Nick Foles -Philly like, rather than demanding Dak to be a ball carrier and risking head on tackles.
If Dak is running I want him out of bounds, or sliding the grass. Not stiff arming tackles en route to broken ankles.

- Oh Yes, I most certainly do think it will be a Huge difference between Mac's new underneath pass game and designing
and involving the RBs in the pass game ..vs what we saw in Kellen Moore era.

- I'm not expecting FB, cuz we do not have a FB (Hunter is a big RB, not a brutal blocking FB) His running will be be key
when Rico becomes injured.

 

[aikemirv]

Parsons is dominant. The rest of the front 7 is average to below average. The back 5(In nickel) are above average

 

[CCBoy]

- I do not expect a true WCO scheme, as I think we'll still go shotgun vs under the center.
- I do not expect true WCO pass design, as I've learned OC Brian Shott is a exponent of the rhythm time based offense
and I do not think they will totally revamp Dak all over in the WCO, (whose been in nuthin Rhythm time offense since
entering NFL in 2016)

- Just me guess-working..
Some or much concepts they will keep so as it will be lesser strains on Dak in totally learning an offense..imo. .
Some passes will be throwing to a spot where the WR expected to be in/out of cut.. while passes will be after the
a target comes in/out of breaks - these may be the more shorter, underneath routes. roll outs, etc.

- I do expect play action and roll outs, (even from shot gun formation) If there's RPO's it will be more
Nick Foles -Philly like, rather than demanding Dak to be a ball carrier and risking head on tackles.
If Dak is running I want him out of bounds, or sliding the grass. Not stiff arming tackles en route to broken ankles.

- Oh Yes, I most certainly do think it will be a Huge difference between Mac's new underneath pass game and designing
and involving the RBs in the pass game ..vs what we saw in Kellen Moore era.

- I'm not expecting FB, cuz we do not have a FB (Hunter is a big RB, not a brutal blocking FB) His running will be be key
when Rico becomes injured.

Good ball park...I'm holding the running game to 120+ for this game coming up.

 

[CCBoy]

Parsons is dominant. The rest of the front 7 is average to below average. The back 5(In nickel) are above average

I'm looking for a total of 6 sacks this game...and an interception.

 

[Cowboyny]

I’ll be watching to see if the defense is truly a dominant unit anywhere near top defenses from the 70’s and 90’s in Dallas or like other dominant defenses. Or will they again be a bunch of great pass rushers making some big plays, but still allowing long drives and struggling against the run. I started a thread this morning which some of you got shut down before I could come home from work and golf to respond….lol. Way to go!

One comment asked what I expect Mike and Brian to do that Linehan, Garrett, and Moore didn’t do? Duh, hate to be insulting, but for over a decade I’ve listened to fans complain about our outdated offense and heard defenses (including SF) say they knew what we were running before the snap and often ran the routes better than our receivers, so yes, I’m expecting more of the west coast offense, more screens, more FB, more short passes and YAC, and lots more picks and bunch plays. No more 3 receivers all running 5-7 yard curls at the same time.

Another comment acted like I started another Dak thread….ummm, the title had Dak’s name in it, but it was clearly notifying anyone reading the title that I was hoping to avoid that topic, and the thread was more about how I think the defense has something to prove too. It’s one thing to be a good defense with lots of pass rushers and takeaways. It’s another thing to be an elite defense that actually dominates the opposition and forces lots of punting and a lopsided time of possession. I keep hoping our defense is approaching being more than opportunistic, better than playing complimentary football. Maybe that’s asking a lot, but I’m hoping.

Until they prove they can consistently stop the run, they never will be considered an elite defense. I also think their pass rush except Parsons is somewhat overrated. Can Sam take that next step as a pass rusher?

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Until they prove they can consistently stop the run, they never will be considered an elite defense. I also think their pass rush except Parsons is somewhat overrated. Can Sam take that next step as a pass rusher?

They lead the league in pressures

 

[quickccc]

It’s a stretch for us to say and view us as comparisons to Bears 85,.. Bucs Tampa 2 of 2002,.. Ravens of 2000, Legion of Boom, legendary defenses.
But we certainly have the nucleus for a future dominant defense or a defense so good enuff' to win a SB.

- Saints was among bottom in giving up yards, but yet either led or among NFL in turnovers, ..ditto with
McCarthy's Packers who may have been 2nd in NFL turnovers but at near bottom in yards.
But yet won a SB. (won it in Dallas)

- We are among the very best pass rushing sackers in entire NFL as well as NFL leader in creating turnovers
and been so last years. What’s next ?
- Stop the run consistently. Out physical the opposing teams vs run. To a point where no NFL team can run against us.
Make them one dimensional- they're forced throw to move the ball. And that includes the entire game, not just one half.
And it has to be more than just Hankins, the outside edges, the LBs, ..we struggled more off edge than maybe interior.
- We do not have pro bowl LBs while the in-prime Legion of Boom had two studs (Wagner, Wright) LB unit aims to be
one of our weakest areas.

- Gilmore instead of Anthony Brown should be a day-night difference. He's not defensive MVP Gilmore, but we tried to
go at him in '22, and he made us pay the price. We've a vet CB that will turn his head for the ball.
Strong across CBs 1 to 3, and we may have best safety depth in NFL,

 

[Cowboyny]

They lead the league in pressures

Remember how badly they struggled late last season?

 

[Bagman]

We will see. However I think it’s a mistake comparing them to doomsday or the 90s defense…it’s an entirely different game and league now. Offense is too heavy, they don’t need to be those defense for us to be very very good and if those are the barometer or bar they’ll like disappoint

I think I agree with you. There's really no truly dominant defenses anymore. They're not needed. Being fast, creating turnovers on occasion and being tough enough physically to not be pushed around late in games.

 

[quickccc]

It’s a stretch for us to say and view us as comparisons to Bears 85,.. Bucs Tampa 2 of 2002,.. Ravens of 2000, Legion of Boom, legendary defenses.
But we certainly have the nucleus for a future dominant defense or a defense so good enuff' to win a SB.

- Saints was among bottom in giving up yards, but yet either led or among NFL in turnovers, ..ditto with
McCarthy's Packers who may have been 2nd in NFL turnovers but at near bottom in yards.
But yet won a SB. (won it in Dallas)

- We are among the very best pass rushing sackers in entire NFL as well as NFL leader in creating turnovers
and been so last years. What’s next ?
- Stop the run consistently. Out physical the opposing teams vs run. To a point where no NFL team can run against us.
Make them one dimensional- they're forced throw to move the ball. And that includes the entire game, not just one half.
And it has to be more than just Hankins, the outside edges, the LBs, ..we struggled more off edge than maybe interior.
- We do not have pro bowl LBs while the in-prime Legion of Boom had two studs (Wagner, Wright) LB unit aims to be
one of our weakest areas.

- Gilmore instead of Anthony Brown should be a day-night difference. He's not defensive MVP Gilmore, but we tried to
go at him in '22, and he made us pay the price. We've a vet CB that will turn his head for the ball.
Strong across CBs 1 to 3, and we may have best safety depth in NFL,

Dominant ?

* Be tops/dominant at stopping the run on a consistent basis
* Still need more upgrading the LB unit, (ala All pros).. no Fred Warners or Bobby Wagners at LB.

* Let's see how we play vs misdirection teams .. no huddle offenses and running QBs.

* Finish. Last year we had backup QBs like Gardner Minshew, Sam Howell, Davis Mills doing a number on us to keep
games surprisingly close.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

I don't think we'll ever see a dominant defense like you used to get from time to time. But we have playmakers in Micah and Diggs which gives you a shot.

 

[kevm3]

Play doesn't necessarily carry over from year to year, so just because we have mostly the same players and a couple of added pieces doesn't mean that we'll do what we did last year and then some. I have no idea what this defense will look like because the starters didn't play in preseason, but from what I saw of the backups in preseason, it wasn't looking too promising. Hopefully Quinn can get these guys on the same page and we don't drop a couple of early games because of rust.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Play doesn't necessarily carry over from year to year, so just because we have mostly the same players and a couple of added pieces doesn't mean that we'll do what we did last year and then some. I have no idea what this defense will look like because the starters didn't play in preseason, but from what I saw of the backups in preseason, it wasn't looking too promising. Hopefully Quinn can get these guys on the same page and we don't drop a couple of early games because of rust.

The backups were pretty dominant against starters in the first two preseason games. In game one they picked TLaws second pass, then got another stop against their starters. In game two they forced a punt from Seattles starters, then gave up a field goal to Lock, then went to the third and fourth string. The Cowboys backups gave both starting offenses a lot of trouble.

 

[john van brocklin]

I’ll be watching to see if the defense is truly a dominant unit anywhere near top defenses from the 70’s and 90’s in Dallas or like other dominant defenses. Or will they again be a bunch of great pass rushers making some big plays, but still allowing long drives and struggling against the run. I started a thread this morning which some of you got shut down before I could come home from work and golf to respond….lol. Way to go!

One comment asked what I expect Mike and Brian to do that Linehan, Garrett, and Moore didn’t do? Duh, hate to be insulting, but for over a decade I’ve listened to fans complain about our outdated offense and heard defenses (including SF) say they knew what we were running before the snap and often ran the routes better than our receivers, so yes, I’m expecting more of the west coast offense, more screens, more FB, more short passes and YAC, and lots more picks and bunch plays. No more 3 receivers all running 5-7 yard curls at the same time.

Another comment acted like I started another Dak thread….ummm, the title had Dak’s name in it, but it was clearly notifying anyone reading the title that I was hoping to avoid that topic, and the thread was more about how I think the defense has something to prove too. It’s one thing to be a good defense with lots of pass rushers and takeaways. It’s another thing to be an elite defense that actually dominates the opposition and forces lots of punting and a lopsided time of possession. I keep hoping our defense is approaching being more than opportunistic, better than playing complimentary football. Maybe that’s asking a lot, but I’m hoping.

We bout to find out..