Is The Flozell Adams Age Truly Over?

[Hostile]

You had the same players starting at 3 of the OL positions for all of the 1992-1995 seasons. Those 04-07 teams only had one consistent starter. That is night and day.

Like i said before Im not against drafting Olinemen by any means. You can draft them get them in the system and develop with the guys we already have. That doesnt impede continuity.

All Im saying is that next year we are going to have both of our starting tackles hitting FA and I hope we do everything that we can to kepp them.

Fair enough, but what if we can get someone who will be as good or better and without the Cap hit? If we could somehow get Levi Brown and he anchor LT for the next 10 years I'd take that over Flozell and 2 or 3 more years. It's simple math.

That's the thing Fuzzy, you kind of have to balance it across the board. This year let's say they target WR & NT. Then next year OT & CB. All that is doing is keeping the water churning and fresh instead of stagnant.

I loved Larry Allen. Definitely a top 5 all time Cowboy for me. But once he got on the other side of 30 I knew his time here could be limited. Same with any other player. That's simply the business side of it.

 

[speedkilz88]

Somebody is probably going to offer Flozell a "Rivera" type deal.(five years for 5-6 million a year or possibly more with the way the cap money is these days) Soprano is already high on McQuistan, so he should be ready by 2008, maybe he even gives Flo a fight in 2007.

 

[big dog cowboy]

He costs way too much for the performance you get.

That comes with the position. LOT is a premium position and gets premium pay.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I seems to see a lot of people basically writing off Adams as done after next season. He turns 32 next month and i dont think it crazy that he might have two or more good years left after next season.

Now i realize that for much of last year he had to be babysat by a TE but he was coming off a knee injury and seemed to come on as the season progressed. This year he should be 100% back.

The guy has been a pretty good LT for us the past 4 years and is in the prime years for offensive linemen. I also think that offensive line continuity is very important. I for one hope that we keep Adams for at least a few more years.

Unless he sucks next year that is.

I agree with you......if he has a great off season workout, then he could be better then last year with a strong knee.

 

[burmafrd]

Continuity is important-but you have to have quality people. We struck out both ways for the last few years. LAST year was the first time we had quality people on all 5 positions. 4 of them come back this year and the 5th should be a major quality increase. THIS years line should be the best since the late 90s.

 

[iceberg]

Continuity is important-but you have to have quality people. We struck out both ways for the last few years. LAST year was the first time we had quality people on all 5 positions. 4 of them come back this year and the 5th should be a major quality increase. THIS years line should be the best since the late 90s.

and because we struck out it puts even more pressure on us to get it right, which is why i hate to see us take chances on 7th rounders who wasn't even picked to be drafted. is that a valid way to address the problem? hoping to be a blind squirrel finding an acorn? or is that in the end *normally* just digging a deeper hole?

people say mcq is still here so that says something. sure, it says he's not gone yet. petitti was still here till the day he left but that didn't keep him here and hell, he started 16 games.

 

[burmafrd]

Draft snob. Talent is talent no matter where you find it. McQ has the SAME talent as his identical twin brother who was a 2nd rd draft choice and started as a rookie. Petitti -if he had been in better condition- would have been a much higher pick as well (and we probably would not have taken him). Considering the number of good O line players found in the 3rd and 4th, its not much of a drop to the 6th and 7th if they have an injury or condition.
And when you look at the number of first rd busts, your arguement is weaker

 

[iceberg]

Draft snob. Talent is talent no matter where you find it. McQ has the SAME talent as his identical twin brother who was a 2nd rd draft choice and started as a rookie. Petitti -if he had been in better condition- would have been a much higher pick as well (and we probably would not have taken him). Considering the number of good O line players found in the 3rd and 4th, its not much of a drop to the 6th and 7th if they have an injury or condition.
And when you look at the number of first rd busts, your arguement is weaker

oh and calling me cute and clever names sure does ruin my position. : )

mcq does NOT have the same talent as his brother, the 2nd round draft choice. if that were the case, eli would be as good as payton - hey, brothers!

if you'll back the attack truck up a bit you'll see that i'm also pulling for him to make it. i'd LOVE for a 7th round steal to be all that.

but for every "steal" you can show me, i can show you a lot of busts. hell, across the board if you wanna go that route too. sure talent is talent where ever you find it - who said otherwise?

what i said is *I* don't feel the mcq *we* have is as talented as his brother and if we draft well his position is in jeapordy regardless of the manlove bp showered him with everyone is eating up now.

maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. we just won't know till he starts playing. till then we're all speculating around with the odds. odds are to me he won't make it in the long run. i've been wrong before, but that's how this "draft snob" feels. if your theory was correct, then hell - let's trade all our picks down and gather a lot of day 2 picks and not even bother with day 1.

i mean, talent is talent, right? why even bother w/the quality and potential of day 1 picks if we can pick up 20 mcq's and revamp the team!

novel idea.

 

[burmafrd]

MCQ is the identical twin of his brother- so from a PHYSICAL standpoint he has the same talent. From all appearences he has the disposition and the drive to succeed. The boys have had a full year to evaluate him. So if they made no move in FA, and none in the draft, then it is clear to anyone that McQ is the guy.

 

[jay cee]

MCQ is the identical twin of his brother- so from a PHYSICAL standpoint he has the same talent. From all appearences he has the disposition and the drive to succeed. The boys have had a full year to evaluate him. So if they made no move in FA, and none in the draft, then it is clear to anyone that McQ is the guy.

They have not had the draft yet. So we can still hope that they make the right move. If they don't draft any o-lineman, then they must really have faith that he can be a solid starter.

We'll just have to wait and see. I'm still hoping they bring in competition. Like others have said they need to be ready to replace Adams sooner, rather than later.

 

[iceberg]

MCQ is the identical twin of his brother- so from a PHYSICAL standpoint he has the same talent. From all appearences he has the disposition and the drive to succeed. The boys have had a full year to evaluate him. So if they made no move in FA, and none in the draft, then it is clear to anyone that McQ is the guy.

i've known twins that are very different also. if the mcq twins were "exact" i'd have to think someone would have rated the one we got as "draftable".

can you show me very many reports that had our mcq drafted by anyone at all before we took him?

 

[burmafrd]

They all mentioned two things- he was an identical twin to his brother and he only played 2 years, starting one.

 

[iceberg]

They all mentioned two things- he was an identical twin to his brother and he only played 2 years, starting one.

yay. that pretty much takes care of it all. he's a superstar about to take off. : )

 

[conner01]

flo is a better lt than most here give him credit for. but he could get some big offers next year, you just never know. finding quality lt's is a tough thing and flo is above average.
we will have a better idea about mcq after this camp as i suspect he will get lots of playing time.
if the quality is there a ot on the 1st day would be a smart move but i don't see the quality being there, but again you never know how the draft will shake out.
we have several key positions getting old and we have to fix a couple of them this draft. we ned youth at wr,cb, and lt. not likley you will get all 3 but if we can get two fixed then we have option for the other even if it's lt. we could slide davis out there although i don't think it's his best position.
it would be great if mcq is the answer but right now we just don't know. after camp we may have a good idea of what he has after a season of learning and getting stronger

 

[scottsp]

The Flozell Adams era? I don't know what that means. And I certainly wouldn't use Pro Bowls to evaluate a player's value.

Flo's era has been a mixed bag. Some really nice stretches and others not so good. In sum, a nice career.

It says more about the organization's inability to effectively develop offensive linemen. The last dozen years or so has been a joke in that regard. It's just about been the bane of their existence.

And the Cowboy offense will continue to fade in December until this issue is remedied. I don't think I've seen an offensive line perform so poorly, particularly late in the year, during the last decade. It has not adequately protected. The unit has also been awful at converting in short yardage situations.

So for the past decade, this organization is forced to point to Flozell as its model for developing offensive lineman. That's terrible.

The Cowboys and many fans are sure to feel the urgency to lock Flozell up ASAP. There are teams in this league that would have no problem letting a guy like this play out his final year and walk. But when you're unable to draft and develop, the team overpays and the player overstays.

All this is not to suggest we allow Flo to walk. It's more of an indictment of the Dallas Cowboys and their massive failure in this area. It would just be nice to have more options. It's been a long time since we've had any.

 

[jay cee]

The Flozell Adams era? I don't know what that means. And I certainly wouldn't use Pro Bowls to evaluate a player's value.

Flo's era has been a mixed bag. Some really nice stretches and others not so good. In sum, a nice career.

It says more about the organization's inability to effectively develop offensive linemen. The last dozen years or so has been a joke in that regard. It's just about been the bane of their existence.

And the Cowboy offense will continue to fade in December until this issue is remedied. I don't think I've seen an offensive line perform so poorly, particularly late in the year, during the last decade. It has not adequately protected. The unit has also been awful at converting in short yardage situations.

So for the past decade, this organization is forced to point to Flozell as its model for developing offensive lineman. That's terrible.

The Cowboys and many fans are sure to feel the urgency to lock Flozell up ASAP. There are teams in this league that would have no problem letting a guy like this play out his final year and walk. But when you're unable to draft and develop, the team overpays and the player overstays.

All this is not to suggest we allow Flo to walk. It's more of an indictment of the Dallas Cowboys and their massive failure in this area. It would just be nice to have more options. It's been a long time since we've had any.

Man, what are you talking about? Didn't you read all the quotes Parcells had about McQ's potential?

Plus his identical twin brother, who was a 1st day draft pick, that means he automatically has 1st day draft potential.

In only a matter of time, he will have all of asking Flozell who?:

 

[burmafrd]

He has been a decent, and sometimes good LT for almost 10 years for us. Only out for those games in 2005. From a reliability and predictability standpoint, he has been the sound part of the O line. LA and him together were very good. Up untill LA's 2002 injury- and from that point on LA started to go downhill.

 

[Vintage]

What does being a twin have anything to do with football skill?

This is ridiculous. McQ is a 7th round draft pick. Odds are he becomes nothing more than backup material.

Why we want to rely on him as a starter is beyond me. I am all in favor of bringing in someone in the draft who could actually be a good starter on the next level.

Because odds are, McQ aint that guy.
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[superpunk]

What does being a twin have anything to do with football skill?

This is ridiculous. McQ is a 7th round draft pick. Odds are he becomes nothing more than backup material.

Why we want to rely on him as a starter is beyond me. I am all in favor of bringing in someone in the draft who could actually be a good starter on the next level.

Because odds are, McQ aint that guy.
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Odds are against Patrick Crayton being a decent receiver. Same with Tony Romo (at QB, of course). Odds are against a 4th round selection at RB being 3rd in the league and first in the NFC in TDs.

The only point I'm trying to make here, is that this is a team with more than it's share of longshots. Why is that relevant? Because even though Bill busted on guys like Rogers and Peterman, once he gets a guy on his team that he thinks can play, he's pretty darn accurate. The rabble got trimmed away pretty quickly.

That doesn't mean McQuistan has this enormous untapped potential. But Parcells has subtly praised him, similar to how he talked about Romo last year and other long shots on our team. Who thought Brian Waters was goin to be a perennial pro-bowler when we let him walk as a TE? OL is a fickle thing to evaluate - but I trust Bill keeping players on his team, so I think McQuistan probably deserves more than just passed off as 7th round back-up material.

 

[Vintage]

Odds are against Patrick Crayton being a decent receiver. Same with Tony Romo (at QB, of course). Odds are against a 4th round selection at RB being 3rd in the league and first in the NFC in TDs.

Good for them (and us). For every one of those you name, I can name 10X as many. The fact that many on this board are willing to rely on McQ to take over for Flozell when the time comes DESPITE the odds against McQ being anything truly scares me. Just because we struck gold a couple of time doesn't mean we will continue to do so. Or that McQ is another gold mine.

The only point I'm trying to make here, is that this is a team with more than it's share of longshots. Why is that relevant? Because even though Bill busted on guys like Rogers and Peterman, once he gets a guy on his team that he thinks can play, he's pretty darn accurate. The rabble got trimmed away pretty quickly.

Petitti stuck around for a year, actually starting. Then he was cut. Parcells kept McQ around for a year. Who's to say McQ would be on the roster if Parcells had come back another year? Parcells may have well chosen to upgrade. Or maybe McQ makes it back. But McQ is far from a lock.

I wonder what will happen if Wade decides to upgrade and get rid of McQ?

That doesn't mean McQuistan has this enormous untapped potential. But Parcells has subtly praised him, similar to how he talked about Romo last year and other long shots on our team. Who thought Brian Waters was goin to be a perennial pro-bowler when we let him walk as a TE? OL is a fickle thing to evaluate - but I trust Bill keeping players on his team, so I think McQuistan probably deserves more than just passed off as 7th round back-up material.

Until he proves otherwise, I disagree.