Is the reason we won't sign another OG because...

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That would force us to keep 10 OL on the 53 man roster and we'd rather keep an extra at another position (i.e. K, WR, or FB)? The 9 I see making it right now are Free, Kosier, Gurode, Holland, Smith, Costa, Arkin, Young, and Nagy. Otherwise, if you think Arkin is only 1 year away from starting it makes perfect sense to bring in Waters or even Bigg for 1 year to have as OG depth.
 
they may need that spot for a swing tackle as well - unless they are going with Young.
 
2233boys;4037577 said:
Roster size is 54, the reason is Jerry is an idiot.

Yeah, where are your three superbowl rings? Are you a billionaire? So you know more than Jerry when you have never even sniffed an NFL job?
 
hornitosmonster;4037593 said:
Yeah, where are your three superbowl rings? Are you a billionaire? So you know more than Jerry when you have never even sniffed an NFL job?

He only knows that since Jerruh is or is not doing it - then he is wrong. No matter what.
 
Honestly, I think Jerry is just ready to bite the bullet and let these young kids develop. Veteran FAs are just progress stoppers at this point. Jerry and Stephen have realized how old this O-line got and how quickly it happened. To boot, it's not cheap to upgrade through FA. The Cowboys are starting a youth movement from the outside in on the O-line.

I can't say that I blame them. One of the reasons we are so inexperienced in so many areas is due to the reluctance of the two former regimes to play younger guys, opting for vets that may or may not have been a better option than a youngster sitting on the bench, in the long run.We'll never have any "quality depth" if we don't give some of these guys some experience. Had we known about Free a year before we actually HAD to use him, we could have saved ourselves MILLIONS of dollars by extending his contract before he hit the FA market. I say we find out about the Costas and Arkins on the team and put a full press on their development if they look like players that can turn the corner.

I think the lack of having our two safeties signed to begin camp was a blessing in disguise because it forced the team to take a hard look at both Church and AOA. Will they eventually be the guys? Who knows, but I know we're a heck of a lot closer to having an idea than we would have been had Sensy and Elam been signed, sealed and delivered at the start of camp. Same deal with the release of Roy Williams for the WR corp.

Many other teams in the NFL seem to do this with some measure of success. The Green Bay Packers come to mind right off the bat. As Cowboys fans (especially those of us that have actually been around long enough to EXPECT greatness because of past successes) want it all and we want it now. Don't get me wrong, I want to "win it all" every year, too. It's gotten to the point that the mediocrity has put me in a place that I just want us to finally be a solid football team. If it means we take some lumps for a season or so, then so be it. Let's just build a solid football team rather than a splash and dash, here today gone tomorrow team of poor trades and foolish FA signings. If that's re-building, then oh well. Built teams are better than bought teams every single year. I've yet to see a "bought team" win the Super Bowl since the 49ers signed Deion Sanders. Every other team that has tried that strategy has failed to win the big one.

We all sling crap around about the Commanders, but they are the perfect example. Every year (except for last year), they have tried to buy a title and have failed miserably. MISERABLY! Heck, look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. Not one of those teams brought in the "missing piece" via FA. Even Drew Brees in NO was there for a couple of years to help BUILD that team before they won it all. And, with the exception of Brees, there wasn't a single "superstar" on that team (and no Reggie Bush doesn't count. I don't consider an all-hype player to be a superstar).

Build. Not buy.
 
hornitosmonster;4037593 said:
Yeah, where are your three superbowl rings? Are you a billionaire? So you know more than Jerry when you have never even sniffed an NFL job?

:laugh2: OWNED! :laugh2:
 
skinsscalper;4037630 said:
Honestly, I think Jerry is just ready to bite the bullet and let these young kids develop. Veteran FAs are just progress stoppers at this point. Jerry and Stephen have realized how old this O-line got and how quickly it happened. To boot, it's not cheap to upgrade through FA. The Cowboys are starting a youth movement from the outside in on the O-line.

I can't say that I blame them. One of the reasons we are so inexperienced in so many areas is due to the reluctance of the two former regimes to play younger guys, opting for vets that may or may not have been a better option than a youngster sitting on the bench, in the long run.We'll never have any "quality depth" if we don't give some of these guys some experience. Had we known about Free a year before we actually HAD to use him, we could have saved ourselves MILLIONS of dollars by extending his contract before he hit the FA market. I say we find out about the Costas and Arkins on the team and put a full press on their development if they look like players that can turn the corner.

I think the lack of having our two safeties signed to begin camp was a blessing in disguise because it forced the team to take a hard look at both Church and AOA. Will they eventually be the guys? Who knows, but I know we're a heck of a lot closer to having an idea than we would have been had Sensy and Elam been signed, sealed and delivered at the start of camp. Same deal with the release of Roy Williams for the WR corp.

Many other teams in the NFL seem to do this with some measure of success. The Green Bay Packers come to mind right off the bat. As Cowboys fans (especially those of us that have actually been around long enough to EXPECT greatness because of past successes) want it all and we want it now. Don't get me wrong, I want to "win it all" every year, too. It's gotten to the point that the mediocrity has put me in a place that I just want us to finally be a solid football team. If it means we take some lumps for a season or so, then so be it. Let's just build a solid football team rather than a splash and dash, here today gone tomorrow team of poor trades and foolish FA signings. If that's re-building, then oh well. Built teams are better than bought teams every single year. I've yet to see a "bought team" win the Super Bowl since the 49ers signed Deion Sanders. Every other team that has tried that strategy has failed to win the big one.

We all sling crap around about the Commanders, but they are the perfect example. Every year (except for last year), they have tried to buy a title and have failed miserably. MISERABLY! Heck, look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. Not one of those teams brought in the "missing piece" via FA. Even Drew Brees in NO was there for a couple of years to help BUILD that team before they won it all. And, with the exception of Brees, there wasn't a single "superstar" on that team (and no Reggie Bush doesn't count. I don't consider an all-hype player to be a superstar).

Build. Not buy.

Excellent points!

We've already went the route of drafting poorly and supplementing with free agent veterans who don't live up to their contracts.

right now the club is confident in the young OL players so it's best to see if they have diamonds or rust.

that's Much better than going into free agency to pick up some rusting diamonds.
 
skinsscalper;4037630 said:
Honestly, I think Jerry is just ready to bite the bullet and let these young kids develop. Veteran FAs are just progress stoppers at this point. Jerry and Stephen have realized how old this O-line got and how quickly it happened. To boot, it's not cheap to upgrade through FA. The Cowboys are starting a youth movement from the outside in on the O-line.

I can't say that I blame them. One of the reasons we are so inexperienced in so many areas is due to the reluctance of the two former regimes to play younger guys, opting for vets that may or may not have been a better option than a youngster sitting on the bench, in the long run.We'll never have any "quality depth" if we don't give some of these guys some experience. Had we known about Free a year before we actually HAD to use him, we could have saved ourselves MILLIONS of dollars by extending his contract before he hit the FA market. I say we find out about the Costas and Arkins on the team and put a full press on their development if they look like players that can turn the corner.

I think the lack of having our two safeties signed to begin camp was a blessing in disguise because it forced the team to take a hard look at both Church and AOA. Will they eventually be the guys? Who knows, but I know we're a heck of a lot closer to having an idea than we would have been had Sensy and Elam been signed, sealed and delivered at the start of camp. Same deal with the release of Roy Williams for the WR corp.

Many other teams in the NFL seem to do this with some measure of success. The Green Bay Packers come to mind right off the bat. As Cowboys fans (especially those of us that have actually been around long enough to EXPECT greatness because of past successes) want it all and we want it now. Don't get me wrong, I want to "win it all" every year, too. It's gotten to the point that the mediocrity has put me in a place that I just want us to finally be a solid football team. If it means we take some lumps for a season or so, then so be it. Let's just build a solid football team rather than a splash and dash, here today gone tomorrow team of poor trades and foolish FA signings. If that's re-building, then oh well. Built teams are better than bought teams every single year. I've yet to see a "bought team" win the Super Bowl since the 49ers signed Deion Sanders. Every other team that has tried that strategy has failed to win the big one.

We all sling crap around about the Commanders, but they are the perfect example. Every year (except for last year), they have tried to buy a title and have failed miserably. MISERABLY! Heck, look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. Not one of those teams brought in the "missing piece" via FA. Even Drew Brees in NO was there for a couple of years to help BUILD that team before they won it all. And, with the exception of Brees, there wasn't a single "superstar" on that team (and no Reggie Bush doesn't count. I don't consider an all-hype player to be a superstar).

Build. Not buy.

Great post.

The Cowboys have to build from within.

Trying to use free agency to solve each and every problem with this club is a sure trip to salary cap hell.

What you need are good, young cheap players. If you have to rebuild your club using expensive veterans, then you're not building for the future.
 
skinsscalper;4037630 said:
Honestly, I think Jerry is just ready to bite the bullet and let these young kids develop. Veteran FAs are just progress stoppers at this point.

Build. Not buy.
:thumbup:

Great post!
 
Holland is not a young guy, so the progress stopper argument is moot.
 
hornitosmonster;4037593 said:
Yeah, where are your three superbowl rings? Are you a billionaire? So you know more than Jerry when you have never even sniffed an NFL job?

burmafrd;4037604 said:
He only knows that since Jerruh is or is not doing it - then he is wrong. No matter what.

AMERICAS_FAN;4037649 said:
:laugh2: OWNED! :laugh2:

Seriously, if you think Jerry is doing a bang up job as owner/gm then you really don't know what you are talking about. It is sad what passes as intelligent posts from some of you.
 
skinsscalper;4037630 said:
Honestly, I think Jerry is just ready to bite the bullet and let these young kids develop. Veteran FAs are just progress stoppers at this point. Jerry and Stephen have realized how old this O-line got and how quickly it happened. To boot, it's not cheap to upgrade through FA. The Cowboys are starting a youth movement from the outside in on the O-line.

I can't say that I blame them. One of the reasons we are so inexperienced in so many areas is due to the reluctance of the two former regimes to play younger guys, opting for vets that may or may not have been a better option than a youngster sitting on the bench, in the long run.We'll never have any "quality depth" if we don't give some of these guys some experience. Had we known about Free a year before we actually HAD to use him, we could have saved ourselves MILLIONS of dollars by extending his contract before he hit the FA market. I say we find out about the Costas and Arkins on the team and put a full press on their development if they look like players that can turn the corner.

I think the lack of having our two safeties signed to begin camp was a blessing in disguise because it forced the team to take a hard look at both Church and AOA. Will they eventually be the guys? Who knows, but I know we're a heck of a lot closer to having an idea than we would have been had Sensy and Elam been signed, sealed and delivered at the start of camp. Same deal with the release of Roy Williams for the WR corp.

Many other teams in the NFL seem to do this with some measure of success. The Green Bay Packers come to mind right off the bat. As Cowboys fans (especially those of us that have actually been around long enough to EXPECT greatness because of past successes) want it all and we want it now. Don't get me wrong, I want to "win it all" every year, too. It's gotten to the point that the mediocrity has put me in a place that I just want us to finally be a solid football team. If it means we take some lumps for a season or so, then so be it. Let's just build a solid football team rather than a splash and dash, here today gone tomorrow team of poor trades and foolish FA signings. If that's re-building, then oh well. Built teams are better than bought teams every single year. I've yet to see a "bought team" win the Super Bowl since the 49ers signed Deion Sanders. Every other team that has tried that strategy has failed to win the big one.

We all sling crap around about the Commanders, but they are the perfect example. Every year (except for last year), they have tried to buy a title and have failed miserably. MISERABLY! Heck, look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. Not one of those teams brought in the "missing piece" via FA. Even Drew Brees in NO was there for a couple of years to help BUILD that team before they won it all. And, with the exception of Brees, there wasn't a single "superstar" on that team (and no Reggie Bush doesn't count. I don't consider an all-hype player to be a superstar).

Build. Not buy.
I can't tell you how much I like this post.
 
2233boys;4037663 said:
Seriously, if you think Jerry is doing a bang up job as owner/gm then you really don't know what you are talking about. It is sad what passes as intelligent posts from some of you.

look in the mirror. Maybe that will convince you.
 
MichaelWinicki;4037653 said:
What you need are good, young cheap players. If you have to rebuild your club using expensive veterans, then you're not building for the future.


:hammer: On the nosey.
 
I don't think signing a vet OG to a 1 year contract is going to be a progress stopper. Arkin likely needs a year in the weight room and an offseason with Woicik to get up to NFL strength. Otherwise, I agree with your points about developing our young guys from within.
 
TheKey;4037659 said:
Holland is not a young guy, so the progress stopper argument is moot.

Holland is already bought and paid for. To add, any money that you pay out to bring someone else in is a progress stopper in both the salary cap AND player development.

Now, I can see a scenario where Holland is cut and a vet brought in to carry the torch for a season, but no more of these 2-3 year deals for an aging vet that only stunts the growth of an Arkin or Costa. Arkin will need a year under the S and T coach from all the reports I've heard. But, if Holland truly does end up being the guy, then so be it. If he gets injured then throw one of these kids in the fire and get him the valuable experience that we're going to need him to have down the road.

One of the dumbest moves that this team has ever made was to re-insert Colombo back into the starting rotation coming off of an injury when Free was absolutely dominating at the RT position in his absence. Colombo fared O.K. against a weak Eagles D-line and it gave the coaching staff a false sense of security against a dominant Vikings front seven. We all know how that ended. I know someone os oging to pipe up and say that we would have had to use Free at LT anyway because Flo was eventually injured. I disagree. I'm a firm believer in the theory that every single thing that you do affects the next. Right down to the very minute you leave your house in the morning for work. Leave 3 minutes earlier and your day is different (maybe not by extreme measures, but absolutely different). With Free starting and handling Ray Edwards, the play calling changes and the play that Flo is injured on is never called, IMHO.

That is the one shining example of how a team goes with the vet, at all costs, and costs their team even if the smart play is to play the youngster. Wade was notorious for it, as was Parcells. I hope Garrett and Ryan are smarter coaches than that.
 
If we go with Holland as the starter, I am pretty sure that Arkin or Costa will get lots of snaps in the regular season due to Holland's fragility.
 
Eskimo;4037720 said:
If we go with Holland as the starter, I am pretty sure that Arkin or Costa will get lots of snaps in the regular season due to Holland's fragility.

So be it, I say. Hell the Colts went with a rookie LT to block the blind side of, arguably, the most valuable player in the NFL a couple of years ago. The last I checked, Peyton Manning is still breathing and didn't miss a single play due to injury that year. Also, Manning is about as elusive as a pet rock. Romo has used his elusiveness to hide the warts of a piss poor O-line his entire career. I have faith that Garrett and Romo will find ways to off-set any weakness in the O-line if Arkin or Costa need to be inserted.
 
I'm all for letting the younger players play, often that's the only way you can tell if they are starter quality or not,,, but do we have to go from one extreme to the other? from aged vets straight to rookies? Even Tyron is going to struggle, but to throw in a 4th rounder from podunk university is just asking for it.
 

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