Is this team cursed?

[SkinsandTerps]

Had it been a simple matter of money, we would have been able to keep that incredibly deep, constantly rotating D-line together. We would have been able to keep Ken Norton, Jr. We wouldn't have lost Alvin Harper to the Bucs. Had it been all about money, we would have won another 2 or 3 Super Bowls.

Thus the reason Jimmy was the key to it all.

You didn't need those guys at that point.

 

[Hostile]

Those teams were willing to pay for depth. A veteran throw away player from another team...sign him up. Depth.

Who for instance?

 

[Risen Star]

Who for instance?

I wouldn't waste my time with such a ridiculously uninformed statement.

 

[Hostile]

I wouldn't waste my time with such a ridiculously uninformed statement.

The only player I can think of is Deion, and that was after we took prisoners. Plan B? Other than Jay Novacek, who was our big Plan B coup that no one else had a chance at? When we got him we were hardly all world.

I just don't know where money bought that team other than Jones buying it from Bum Bright. That was a team that was built, not bought. Hells bells, our best player had to hold out for a contract he had earned.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Gentlemen, can we start with Bernie and Jason ?

Throw away players, but solid depth. Certainly not drafted by the Cowboys.

Not to mention Nate Newton.

Come on guys.

 

[Risen Star]

The only player I can think of is Deion, and that was after we took prisoners. Plan B? Other than Jay Novacek, who was our big Plan B coup that no one else had a chance at? When we got him we were hardly all world.

I just don't know where money bought that team other than Jones buying it from Bum Bright. That was a team that was built, not bought. Hells bells, our best player had to hold out for a contract he had earned.

Deion was the one significant free agent signing and that was only for the 3rd title. If one signing constitutes trying to buy a championship I guess the entire league is guilty of it.

It was a completely ignorant statement.

 

[Direwolf63]

Is this team cursed? No.

Do they have a bunch of morons as players? Yes

 

[Diogenes]

Deion was the one significant free agent signing and that was only for the 3rd title. If one signing constitutes trying to buy a championship I guess the entire league is guilty of it.

It was a completely ignorant statement.

I'm thinking he might be mistaking the acquisitions of players such as Haley and Casillas for free agency moves, when in fact they were well orchestrated personel moves via trade. Just a WAG, but I don't know what else it could be.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I'm thinking he might be mistaking the acquisitions of players such as Haley and Casillas for free agency moves, when in fact they were well orchestrated personel moves via trade. Just a WAG, but I don't know what else it could be.

Not at all. Take a look at the players the Commanders and 49ers acquired. Not free agency...spending on depth.

 

[xwalker]

The Cowboys had some "help" from the NFL. How many teams have had rules made specifically to make that team less competitive?

Erik Williams - Hands to the face rule.
Michael Irvin - Offensive pass interference (push-off). They changed the way this rule was called.
Roy Williams - Horse Collar.
Salary Cap - Only the Cowboys and Skins were penalized.

 

[Hostile]

Gentlemen, can we start with Bernie and Jason ?

Throw away players, but solid depth. Certainly not drafted by the Cowboys.

Not to mention Nate Newton.

Come on guys.

Nate Newton was a USFL guy. Anyone could have signed him when that league folded and he signed with the Cowboys in 1986, the Landry years. That isn't buying him.

Bernie? Kosar? The guy who started exactly one game and threw only 63 passes for us? Wow.

Jason who? The only one I can think of is Garrett. He was a CFL and World League refugee.

 

[theebs]

Jerry bought 3 rings, they basically invented the cap because of what Jerry and Eddie D were doing in the 90s.

Ever since a level playing field has been established, this team has been consistently mediocre.

Wasn't until the Tuna showed up did things start to change.

That team never bought anything.

In fact the opposite is true, the whole rest of the league outspent us on our own players.

We kept losing excellent players year after year and replacing them.

Saying we bought championships tells me you do not know anything about that time period and probably were not old enough to have watched it.

 

[Direwolf63]

I understand given the Josh Brent/Jerry Brown tragedy, you would think these guys would learn their lesson. Sadly this happens everywhere, even with the most successful teams...

Marshawn Lynch The Seahawks' strong running back was arrested on July 14 in Oakland for investigation of DUI.

Michael Turner charged with DUI after ‘Monday Night Football’ game
Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:03 AM EDT


San Francisco 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith was charged Saturday with driving under the influence in Miami Beach. January 29, 2012, 10:35 AM ET

November 30, 2012, 6:47 PM ET
SAN FRANCISCO -- San Francisco 49ers defensive lineman Demarcus Dobbs was arrested early Friday morning on suspicion of driving under the influence and possession of marijuana, the California Highway Patrol said.

As Albert McClellan closes in on a starting job on the Ravens' defense, the outside linebacker is in the process of dealing with an accusation of domestic violence. McClellan was arrested on June 30 2012 in his hometown of Lakeland, Fla., and charged with battery (a first-degree misdemeanor), and simple assault with threat or intent to do violence (a second-degree misdemeanor)

Jul 15, 2012 – Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil was arrested and charged with aggravated assault with a firearm, a felony, on Saturday night in Miami.

Knowshon Moreno
Running back
2/1/12
Arrested on suspicion of DUI, pulled over for driving 70 mph in 45-mph zone.

Kenny Britt The Tennessee Titans wide receiver was arrested July 20 at Fort Campbell (Ky.) military base and charged with suspicion of DWI.

Robert Quinn The Rams defensive end caught a drunken driving charge stemming from a July 10 arrest

David Diehl The Super Bowl winning offensive lineman was arrested on suspicion of DWI on June 10.

Justin Blackmon The recently drafted WR was arrested on an aggravated DUI charge on June 3 in Oklahoma after authorities said he blew three times the legal limit of alcohol in his system

Brandon Meriweather The new Commanders safety was pulled over for speeding and was arrested on suspicion of DUI on April 26.

Darrius Heyward-Bey A high draft pick by the Raiders a few years ago, the receiver was charged with DUI after an arrest on April 7.

Leroy Hill The Seahawks linebacker was arrested and charged with marijuana posession on Feb. 25.

Did any of these incidents happens 6 weeks after a teammate was killed by another teammate driving drunk?

The Ratliff incident is, to me, different.

 

[MRV52]

Seriously. I'm not assigning blame or bashing JJ or JG or anyone else, it just seems nothing can go right for us. Did JJ make a deal with the Devil to get those 3 rings in turn for 20 years of chaos? I'm not even saying that if he did it was a bad deal. It's just hard for a fan that grew up on Staubach, Landry, Dorsett, Doomsday and then got to enjoy the Triplets and Jimmy Johnson to endure.

Every time something positive happens to re-ignite the fires, something goes wrong like Ratliff or even the Callahan story. One step forward, two steps back, then one sideways, then one forward, then sideways.....

NO not cursed. It is just Jerry making things very uncomfortable for us.

 

[theebs]

Gentlemen, can we start with Bernie and Jason ?

Throw away players, but solid depth. Certainly not drafted by the Cowboys.

Not to mention Nate Newton.

Come on guys.

Umm what?

Jason Garrett. He was a ps guy, then Steve buerlein left and we signed Rodney peete, Garrett had to beat out Hugh Millen to be the 3rd string qb, he got the nick name Rudy after beating out Millen.

This might be the dumbest reasoning I have ever seen to slander the cowboys.

 

[TNCowboy]

The Cowboys signed a ton of plan B free agents. I remember Novacek and Rob Awalt and James Washington.

Can't remember if Ray Horton was or not. Most of them made no impact at all. They traded for Casillas and Haley, those weren't FAs.

Regardless, the FAs until Deion weren't high $$ players. Jimmy signed a bunch of the Plan B guys in 1990 because the Cowboys needed bodies. Most of the elite players and the depth came via the draft.

To the broader point, yes, the Cowboys, Commanders, Giants, Pats, etc have an enormous advantage over the rest of the league. Because of their $$, they can do things many other teams can't if they want to remain profitable. If, for example, Aaron Rodgers somehow got out of his contract in GB and hit the open market, he would command the largest contract in league history. He'd get something absurd, like a $50M signing bonus or more. Most teams simply can't afford to cut that check, while Jones and Snyder would have to re-write the check after drooling on it.

Which makes the pathetic results of the Cowboys (and the Commanders), far worse than they're really been the last several years. They've played from a deck stacked in their favor and still can't get close to winning.

 

[Rockytop6]

See, this, to me, is an example of how we fans get tunnel-vision. We follow the Cowboys so closely, that we see things like Ratliff getting arrested and think, "this team is losing control of it's players! No wonder we never win anything!" All the while several players from playoff teams, including the two superbowl teams have players arrested just as much or more. So obviously, either those arrests show the same things about how poorly run those teams are or...wait for it...young men do stupid things no matter who they work for!

In all seriousness, this list was rather eye-opening with regards to how many players for successful teams have recent arrests. The Cowboys are not an unusual case at all.

That is true, however, in this situation it hits harder since it happened just a few days after the Brent tragedy.

 

[CIWhitefish]

Umm what?

Jason Garrett. He was a ps guy, then Steve buerlein left and we signed Rodney peete, Garrett had to beat out Hugh Millen to be the 3rd string qb, he got the nick name Rudy after beating out Millen.

This might be the dumbest reasoning I have ever seen to slander the cowboys.

And lately that's saying something!

 

[Nightman]

I don't know. All the blame JJ gets is legitmate, he created the circus atmosphere, but there just seems to be some really bad luck or karma surrounding us since the late 90's. Other teams have been mismanaged and less talented and have been to the Super Bowls. The NYG have 2 of the luckiest championships I have ever witnessed. Eli consistently chucks the ball down field and somehow his guys come down with it. The Raiders, the Panthers, the Bucs have all been to the SB and back to the bottom.

I guess we are cursed to be mediocre, not bad enough for the top picks and a complete rebuild, but not good enough for a championship run. At least CLE, BUF, JAX, DET, KC and MIA fans know they stink.

 

[Ratmatt]

No curse.Just a poorly ran franchise.