Is this the Romo all his detractors have wanted all these years?

[zack]

The difference being we were repeatedly converting third and long, usually through a miraculous play by Romo.

So what I gather reading most of the threads is that they want Romo to chuck it deep even if it isn't open. Kind of like what Eli is doing right now. For Eli it hasn't worked out that well with his 9 picks but sure he has thrown a couple of bombs to Cruz that have scored.

Sorry to be sarcastic. But the Cowboys are wasting him as a QB, period. Our offense is so vanilla. I think that since the KC game, they took the power from him to call plays at the line. It is what it is. Unfortunately our offensive coaching staff is awful at making in season changes/adjustments.

 

[links18]

So what I gather reading most of the threads is that they want Romo to chuck it deep even if it isn't open. Kind of like what Eli is doing right now. For Eli it hasn't worked out that well with his 9 picks but sure he has thrown a couple of bombs to Cruz that have scored.

Sorry to be sarcastic. But the Cowboys are wasting him as a QB, period. Our offense is so vanilla. I think that since the KC game, they took the power from him to call plays at the line. It is what it is. Unfortunately our offensive coaching staff is awful at making in season changes/adjustments.

They want the offense to open up and allow Romo to make plays out of the pocket when he has to--no more siting down in the pocket and taking the sack. For whatever reason, Romo is completely overcompensating for past looseness with the ball and it just doesn't look right to people. That and only 16 and 14 points against the two quality teams we have played are getting under people's skins.

 

[vta]

The one that stays in the pocket, never takes a chance and takes what the defense gives him.

I hope you guys are happy, because I am not. Romo has let all his critics neuter him and it is a disgrace. He has taken the qualities out of his game that make him special and it is a shame to see it happen.

Our defense is not good enough for Aikman type games and we sure don't have the running game for it. I want the Romo from 2007 back!

I think the difference is the 6 years that have elapsed, rather than effects of criticism.
Let's face it, the window is closing and he can't run like a kid forever.

 

[Section446]

Something isn't right about the guy. He's never going to be a great QB, but his moments of greatness come when he's taking chances. I honestly don't think that he's healthy, or he's scared of further injuring the ribs.

 

[khiladi]

Of course they are. They don't pin guys up against the sideline the way Dallas does with Dez.

Those guys are running all over the field.

This right here...

 

[Hoofbite]

Don't compare a rookie to Romo, compare Romo to his peer group.
The only two in his area code is Brady and that's because he has castoffs to work with and Flacco who has the same problem.
Top eight teams-Manning, Vick, Rivers, Rodgers, Wilson, Stafford, Brees, Ryan.
I'm not pointing the blame solely on Romo, some of this might be scheme, some might be circumstance, but #9 has to start getting the ball downfield and going away from his security blanket on occasion.

It wasn't mean to be a comparison of the two. It was meant to show how useless looking at YPA in a vacuum can be.

 

[Hoofbite]

More than good enough to win? I can see if our defense was the Seahawks but its not. Our defense thus far is generating turnovers but its getting scored on. This little 14 to 20 points a game we're putting up is unacceptable and will get us to 8-8 on the season. This is the gameplan you have if you have no faith in your offense or quarterback. This is how Andy Reid coaches Alex Smith because he HAS to. Not because he wants to.

Well you're not going to get a ton more out of him even by telling him to it's okay to turn the ball over a ton.

This offense lacks the big play, that's the problem. That's why his YPA isn't very good.

Personally, I'd rather keep the QB who's playing smart and is producing just as much as he ever has. Quite honestly, Tony not bailing out Garrett's system is probably a good thing because it shows how lacking it is. This whole system where Callahan calls a play from Garrett's book with Tony changing at the line is just a joke.

 

[iceman117]

I think a Romo that doesn't turn the ball over but that is still producing at a career high level is what most people want, yes.

career high? in what? completion percentage from dinking and dunking? stop

 

[percyhoward]

Romo needs to start getting the ball downfield...QB rating is nice and all but if you're not making first downs it doesn't matter.

After 4 games, Dallas is 8th in the NFL in pass plays that result in 1st downs or TD, and 3rd in TD passes.

Also, the article you posted is wrong about YPA. Here's a direct quote from the article:

"But here’s the dark side of his illusion: 6.60 YPA. No individual stat best predicts team success like YPA. Romo’s 6.68 YPA in 2013 is the lowest he’s ever posted. And it’s not even close."

That's wrong, because simple YPA doesn't correlate as highly with winning as two other stats: passer rating and adjusted net yards per attempt.

Romo is 21st in YPA, but he's 4th in passer rating and 7th in ANYA. The reason simple YPA doesn't correlate as highly as the other two is that it ignores TD and INT -- two elements of passing whose effects on winning and losing shouldn't be ignored.

Here's three examples of what happens when you ignore TD and INT in a passing stat:

Geno Smith
YPA 8th
PR 30th
ANYA 27th

Christian Ponder
YPA 17th
PR 31st
ANYA 32nd

Eli Manning
YPA 13th
PR 28th
ANYA 28th

 

[Mactin]

Here the thing, Romo has done the same thing for the past seasons and it has not gotten him or the Boys in the Playoff. He probably changed a bit as QB and stay in the pocket more in order to get used to the new plays and allowing the OL to protect him. I don't mind Romo staying in Pocket as long as he not getting interceptions then let him stay in there. As for the deep passes I would like to see more but you risk getting interceptions and that bad.

 

[Ratmatt]

If you really believe the fans are dictating the way Romo is playing,then you need to go find something else to follow.

 

[Hoofbite]

After 4 games, Dallas is 8th in the NFL in pass plays that result in 1st downs or TD, and 3rd in TD passes.

Also, the article you posted is wrong about YPA. Here's a direct quote from the article:

That's wrong, because simple YPA doesn't correlate as highly with winning as two other stats: passer rating and adjusted net yards per attempt.

Romo is 21st in YPA, but he's 4th in passer rating and 7th in ANYA. The reason simple YPA doesn't correlate as highly as the other two is that it ignores TD and INT -- two elements of passing whose effects on winning and losing shouldn't be ignored.

Here's three examples of what happens when you ignore TD and INT in a passing stat:

Geno Smith
YPA 8th
PR 30th
ANYA 27th

Christian Ponder
YPA 17th
PR 31st
ANYA 32nd

Eli Manning
YPA 13th
PR 28th
ANYA 28th

Well done.

 

[jnday]

career high? in what? completion percentage from dinking and dunking? stop

It is all about the stats for some of the fan base, except the stat that shows wins .

 

[Coy]

He's preety much turned into Alex Smith 2, which is a good NFL QB but Romo can be great, I want the old gunslinger back.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

hmmm.. no faith in the QB huh? Maybe you are on to something.

I mean I just don't know what else it could be. I've pointed to the fact that I do think Romo is still hurt and they don't trust the hurt version of Romo. I atleast hope that's the case. Because why would you give 100 million to someone you don't trust? You talk about giving him more control but this doesn't look like a quarterback with more control. This looks like someone who is being CONTROLLED. A gunslinger turning into a bus driver?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Well you're not going to get a ton more out of him even by telling him to it's okay to turn the ball over a ton.

This offense lacks the big play, that's the problem. That's why his YPA isn't very good.

Personally, I'd rather keep the QB who's playing smart and is producing just as much as he ever has. Quite honestly, Tony not bailing out Garrett's system is probably a good thing because it shows how lacking it is. This whole system where Callahan calls a play from Garrett's book with Tony changing at the line is just a joke.

I don't think the qb is playing smart if he isn't taking advantage of having a weapon like Dez Bryant on his team.

And i'm a BIG ROMO fan. When fans and critics were knocking his "gunslinger" mentality I commended him for it. Especially since each year he's been in the league he's gotten progressively better for the most part. But to me this is a step back. If we had the Seahawks defense I could probably appreciate this Romo. But 14 points is not gonna win you many games in this league.

And while Garret's system may be flawed, correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't this same system top 5 in the league in yards? We just had problems in the redzone which could be from the fact you had no offensive line and no running game to speak of.

But now we can't even get TO the redzone. The offense has actually regressed. And its not getting any better for whatever reason. The offensive line is now playing good enough to win and its gotten worse?

 

[percyhoward]

It is all about the stats for some of the fan base, except the stat that shows wins .

Being 4th in offensive passer rating and 24th in defensive passer rating gives you a net of a rank of 14th -- middle of the league.

2-2.

 

[Red Dragon]

For years, Cowboys fans have wanted a Romo that would be super-cautious, risk-averse, and throw only passes that the defense allows. An offense that would be very conservative.

Now they've finally got what they wished for - and are finding out that they don't like it after all. Sure, Romo's thrown only 1 INT so far (and it really should have been zero interceptions,) but it's a weak offense.

 

[Eddie]

8-8 at best with this Romo.

8-8 with the other Romo.

 

[aikemirv]

Exactly... Dallas forte during the Garrett years is 2nd and 3rd quarters, Dallas is consistently going into 1 series or 2 series drives, with lots of check-downs as a result of 3rd and long situations. This team was always successful when Romo pushed the envelope to overcome the incompetent coaching staff. Timing forced Romo to make plays and the coaches had to let Romo open up.

Garrett is trying to repeat the Cowboys of the 90,s. It just won't work. We don't have Emmiitt, the Oline or Michael Irvin. Romo is not the same type of QB Aikman was and our defense is no where near what we had then either. That team consistently moved up and down the field in 8-12 play drives. This team has not shown the ability to be consistent enough to do that. We have to have bigs plays or we don't win most of the time - You can look at our history over the past few years and confirm that!