Is this the year to stay away from developmental players?

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Those types of players that need retooling, they played limited football in college, they were often injured, have character issues etc. With the major holes we have on this roster and lack of talent, would it benefit us to stay away from these types of players or should we still look to add them??

I could see later in the 6th and 7th rounds, but earlier, absolutely not, we need all the help we can get to make this roster at least formidable to play competitive NFL football. Please give your thoughts!
 
On the contrary. You need to have these type of players.
There are many 1 and 2 years contracts. Need to build for the future.
And this is what the PS players are for anyway.

This team is no where close to competing for a SB at this time. Unless we get a huge surprise and miracle.
And we seen how the treat FA. So they are not, will not sign or trade for any-layers or draft picks, that will put them over the top to compete.

So you take a few development type players.
 
As the past few years.
They drafted Kneeland to replace DLaw
They draft Sam Williams to replace players they knew they would lose in FA, such as Armstrong.

If you want to consider them development players. As they knew they would not be starters year one, but would be in years 2 or 3.
Too bad both were injured last year.
 
On the contrary. You need to have these type of players.
There are many 1 and 2 years contracts. Need to build for the future.
And this is what the PS players are for anyway.

This team is no where close to competing for a SB at this time. Unless we get a huge surprise and miracle.
And we seen how the treat FA. So they are not, will not sign or trade for any-layers or draft picks, that will put them over the top to compete.

So you take a few development type players.
Very good points but we need players to get on the field and help this team. You're right we're far away but they can at least be ready if called upon
 
As the past few years.
They drafted Kneeland to replace DLaw
They draft Sam Williams to replace players they knew they would lose in FA, such as Armstrong.

If you want to consider them development players. As they knew they would not be starters year one, but would be in years 2 or 3.
Too bad both were injured last year.
How would you compare Guyton vs kneeland in terms of development. Yes they're playing different positions!! I think kneeland maybe played his position more in college and was more ready to play based off that than guyton
 
How would you compare Guyton vs kneeland in terms of development. Yes they're playing different positions!! I think kneeland maybe played his position more in college and was more ready to play based off that than guyton
Guyton was RT in close. They put him at LT, plus being a rookie. He was projected to start as soon as his name was called in the draft.

Kneeland was to be DLaw's back up and eventually take his place. No expectations to start, but get some playing time. DLaw got his yearly injury of being out 3 to 4 weeks, which we all knew it would be his usual 8 to 10 weeks.
Then knelling was injury, and when he returned, so was the other half of the defense. So hard to judge his progress.

Going into year 2, we may see some big leaps in their progress. With a better coaching staff and schemes, well on paper it seems that way.
 
Guyton was RT in close. They put him at LT, plus being a rookie. He was projected to start as soon as his name was called in the draft.

Kneeland was to be DLaw's back up and eventually take his place. No expectations to start, but get some playing time. DLaw got his yearly injury of being out 3 to 4 weeks, which we all knew it would be his usual 8 to 10 weeks.
Then knelling was injury, and when he returned, so was the other half of the defense. So hard to judge his progress.

Going into year 2, we may see some big leaps in their progress. With a better coaching staff and schemes, well on paper it seems that way.
I can't wait to see this!!!!
 
I think there is some positional effect with this question. QBs, O linemen, guys like that who are going to play nearly 100% of the snaps in a perfect world I want to have a couple thousand college snaps under the belt if selected early. Other positions that you can rotate in and out I'm a lot more open minded to project players because you can pick and choose the spots you want to play them as they develop.
 
I think drafting developmental types should not come before the third rd. One and two are for players who will start right away or at least share time as starters.
Exactly what I was about to say. Just because this particular team decides to treat drafts like free agency, they aren’t at all the same thing.

Nearly everyone isn’t ready to be an effective starter right away.

If you’ve got a hole in your 22 and have put yourself in a position to must get that position in a given draft, you’re probably not an organization that has had much success.
 
How do you stay away from developmental players when you have two 6th round and three 7th round picks?

I think the term "developmental player" may have different definitions to different people.

Technically, how many players come out of college that need no additional training or experience? Isn't every player a developmental player to some degree?

Personally, I feel that an NFL a developmental player is one that has the physical abilities but lacks the skillset to be effective as a starter.

Teams don't put as much effort into developing players like they used to for many reasons. In many cases the player is close to completing their contract by the time they become useful. Therefore, that team put a lot of resources into training a player that will probably end up on some other team.

Another reason is that most college teams are becoming more sophisticated and "pro-like" to the point where development isn't as necessary.

With free agency and salary caps, teams need more production from players on their first contract and so I believe that most teams prioritize a player's readiness to contribute over future potential.
 
How do you stay away from developmental players when you have two 6th round and three 7th round picks?

I think the term "developmental player" may have different definitions to different people.

Technically, how many players come out of college that need no additional training or experience? Isn't every player a developmental player to some degree?

Personally, I feel that an NFL a developmental player is one that has the physical abilities but lacks the skillset to be effective as a starter.

Teams don't put as much effort into developing players like they used to for many reasons. In many cases the player is close to completing their contract by the time they become useful. Therefore, that team put a lot of resources into training a player that will probably end up on some other team.

Another reason is that most college teams are becoming more sophisticated and "pro-like" to the point where development isn't as necessary.

With free agency and salary caps, teams need more production from players on their first contract and so I believe that most teams prioritize a player's readiness to contribute over future potential.
Look at Guyton last season, he to me SCREAMS development, YES all players coming out of college still have that development needed, hell you can say it for players in the NFL. I'm just basing it off of the time we're in right now (draft season)! Guyton didn't play that much in college he needed lots of development, was there not a better option for a guy that's played more at the position, we went off of HOPE
 
How do you stay away from developmental players when you have two 6th round and three 7th round picks?

I think the term "developmental player" may have different definitions to different people.

Technically, how many players come out of college that need no additional training or experience? Isn't every player a developmental player to some degree?

Personally, I feel that an NFL a developmental player is one that has the physical abilities but lacks the skillset to be effective as a starter.

Teams don't put as much effort into developing players like they used to for many reasons. In many cases the player is close to completing their contract by the time they become useful. Therefore, that team put a lot of resources into training a player that will probably end up on some other team.

Another reason is that most college teams are becoming more sophisticated and "pro-like" to the point where development isn't as necessary.

With free agency and salary caps, teams need more production from players on their first contract and so I believe that most teams prioritize a player's readiness to contribute over future potential.
so you are quite happy spending a first rd pick on a guy with little game tape and great measureables?
 
Time and place. I disagree with the Cowboys philosophy drafting these players early. Rounds 1-3 should be players that have a good chance to make early impacts, barring injury. I'm all for taking some chances, but it should be later in the draft and stay away from head cases. This team isn't capable of really dealing with those types of players very well.
 
Look at Guyton last season, he to me SCREAMS development, YES all players coming out of college still have that development needed, hell you can say it for players in the NFL. I'm just basing it off of the time we're in right now (draft season)! Guyton didn't play that much in college he needed lots of development, was there not a better option for a guy that's played more at the position, we went off of HOPE
Okay, I'm with you.

You are talking about players in top rounds, the physical specimen that could be a great football player but lack the experience. They either caught on late or switched from a different sport because some coach told them they would be better.

I've never liked that idea above the 6th round.

The problem is that it might be difficult to measure their love of the game and that is a key component in the culture of a winning team....in my opinion.

Yes, we should be beyond that. The top rounds need to be players that can come in and immediately contribute. This becomes even more imperative when you are relying on first/rookie contracts to balance the salary cap.

Perhaps this is not the best policy long-term but what does that mean in this age of free agency?

These days players are like patents for a new invention. You get a certain amount of time to use it exclusively before it is open to others. Good businesses know how to market the invention to it's fullest potential. The Cowboys need to do the same with their drafts.

Developing players delays their contributions to the team's success and is based on the unsteady assumption that it will pay off beyond the player's rookie contract. This is a risk worth taking in the 6th and 7th rounds but in the first three rounds, they need to find solid contributors day #1.
 
so you are quite happy spending a first rd pick on a guy with little game tape and great measureables?
Nope.....the opposite.

Develop all you want in the 6th and 7th rounds.

Rounds 1-3 is for plug-and-play solid contributors. Developing tham would only reduce the time they could contribute.

It might even be advantageous to draft on the assumption that you will have that player no more than 5 seasons. You certainly wouldn't want to waste a year or two developing him.
 
Outside of QB, I am not sure you should look at drafting anyone on the basis of keeping them for a second contract.

You draft them for the four or five years you get them; not for the future after that.

Being very brutal, for example, I would draft a worth RB in the first rd and use him up and let him go after five years.
 
Outside of QB, I am not sure you should look at drafting anyone on the basis of keeping them for a second contract.

You draft them for the four or five years you get them; not for the future after that.

Being very brutal, for example, I would draft a worth RB in the first rd and use him up and let him go after five years.
Right. Outside of QB I don’t want to see any risky or developmental picks in rounds 1-3. Save those for rounds 6 and 7. Not with as many holes on our roster and the fact we social distance from FA. Ignoring FA doesn’t give us the luxury of developing a player in rounds 1-3. Picks like Mazi and Guyton have really hurt us if they don’t show out this year.
 

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