Is Wade Phillips "Goodtime Charlie " routine the reason

[carphalen5150]

Colts fans asked themselves the same thing about Dungy last year. Was Tony just too easy like Sunday mornin to win?

Dungy is interesting though...I mean the Bucs won as soon as he left under the hardnosed Gruden.

 

[Doomsday101]

Dungy is interesting though...I mean the Bucs won as soon as he left under the hardnosed Gruden.

Bucs have not done much since the SB under Gruden and while Gruden did get the SB he did it with the team Dungy put together.

 

[carphalen5150]

Bucs have not done much since the SB under Gruden and while Gruden did get the SB he did it with the team Dungy put together.

They won the Super Bowl with players that Dungy apparently couldn't win with in Tampa. Dungy did not put that team together either, Rich McKay did.

 

[Big Country]

They won the Super Bowl with players that Dungy apparently couldn't win with in Tampa. Dungy did not put that team together either, Rich McKay did.

and weren't the Bucs one of the oldest teams in the league??

Their cornerstone stars are either on another team or are ready for the retirement line.

 

[Doomsday101]

They won the Super Bowl with players that Dungy apparently couldn't win with in Tampa. Dungy did not put that team together either, Rich McKay did.

Well what has Gruden done since?

 

[Big Dakota]

They won the Super Bowl with players that Dungy apparently couldn't win with in Tampa. Dungy did not put that team together either, Rich McKay did.

And the same can be said of the Colts for sure. Make no mistake, one of the best GMs in the NFL for the past 20+ years has been Polian and he has his fngerprint on every player in Indy. But Tony is still the man running practice, and that's the crux of what people like JFE(and this thread starter) are saying. Is this team gonna be soft because Wade is an easy going guy? Well they don't get more easy going than the two coches that made it to last years Bowl.

 

[Stautner]

The players are accountable to each other......supposedly the players will police themselves......we will find out who our true leaders are.

I'm not particularly worried about Phillips being too nice, and I believe this point of view is pretty naive' and off the mark.

Discipline can't work with just the players being responsible - anytime the lunatics run the asylum the results won't be good.

Besides, leadership from the players isn't necesarily the strong point of this team. Ellis is about the best they have, and he isn't exactly in the best position right now.


I don't for a second think that Phillip's plan is to just sit back and leave the discipline all up to the players. A successful head coach can't just be an X's and O's guy - he has to be a leader and the players have to be able to see that he is in charge and is the boss.

Phillip's knows this.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Excerpts Per Wade and Romo

Still, the perception is Phillips is too soft on his players. Some wags in the media have even dubbed what's going on in the Alamodome "Camp Cupcake."

"I don't know why they would call it that," Phillips said. "If they'd been to practice, I don't know why they'd call it that. If you ask the players, I don't think they'd say that."

Romo bristled at the suggestion the Cowboys have it easy at camp under Phillips.


"That's (far from the truth)," Romo said.


"This is about the same as the last camp we had. And in reality, the meetings are probably longer."

"A lot of minicamps, a lot of OTAs (organized-team-activity practices) help out a lot," Romo said. "That's part of the reason you don't have 25 two-a-days anymore. You have so much stuff in the offseason, it almost feels like a training camp."

Romo also scoffed at the notion the players don't fear the soft-spoken Phillips, who hasn't yelled once during practice.


Phillips' philosophy is "You either go to work or you don't," Romo said. "If you don't, you won't be here very long."

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91548

 

[carphalen5150]

Well what has Gruden done since?

That was not the point...the point was why Gruden could win with the same players Dungy could not.

 

[Doomsday101]

That was not the point...the point was why Gruden could win with the same players Dungy could not.

Any yet Dungy has a ring as well. For any coach be it hardnosed or a players coach the one common is to get your team to buy into what you are trying to do and having them playing hard for you.

 

[CIWhitefish]

Why must we go to extremes on every issue? Especially those that are manufactured like the viablity of Wade's camp style. First BP is too harsh, that's why we don't win. In comes Wade. Now he's too soft. Gives some a great built in reason why we will fail I guess. It's just too bad that the hyperbole is always the view that makes the most noise and receives the most attention anymore. More often than not the real truth is in the middle ground.

 

[dargonking999]

That was not the point...the point was why Gruden could win with the same players Dungy could not.

Maybe it was because they didn't give him that extra time?

Who's to say Dungy couldn't have won that next year?

The colts where said to never have been able to win under dungy every single year. The colts kept the coach and what do you know, they win the SB

 

[Stautner]

Why must we go to extremes on every issue? Especially those that are manufactured like the viablity of Wade's camp style. First BP is too harsh, that's why we don't win. In comes Wade. Now he's too soft. Gives some a great built in reason why we will fail I guess. It's just too bad that the hyperbole is always the view that makes the most noise and receives the most attention anymore. More often than not the real truth is in the middle ground.

This is the one post that makes sense.

Anytime I get in a disagreement with someone on one of these threads the primary reason is that they are taking something to an extreme. For some it seems that the only point of view is that something is ALL one way or ALL the other. As if there is no middle ground, or as if there is no reason to ever wait and see how something plays out.

 

[Hostile]

That was not the point...the point was why Gruden could win with the same players Dungy could not.

I'd put money on Dungy getting a 2nd before Gruden does and that's with speculation that Dungy would retire soon.

 

[zeromaster]

I notice Mr. Skull and Cross-swords has dropped out. I'm not convinced it was a fan at all, just someone wanting to stir the pot...