it feels good to care this much again

[mwj473]

What good is mobility if the qb consistently makes poor decisions and throws into coverage? What if Romo turns out to be more Mike McMahon than Brett Favre?

I would personally like to find out what he has this year. We were going no where with Beldsoe. Can you honestly see us winning the SB with Bledsoe? If the answer is no, then there is no reason now to not go with Romo. I would rather mess up this year, if he doesn't pan out, and have a plan going into the offseason to fix it, rather than put next year in limbo land also.

All of you other guys need to stop messing up this guys opinion with facts

 

[iceberg]

That's a very good post Ice.

I wish I felt as you did. I truly do. I feel worse after what I saw. I'm sitting here last night and today scratching my head and wondering how down by 5 at half and losing by 14 can be a positive sign. I just don't get it. I honestly don't.

because the game itself didn't matter. the entire time bp has been here i've felt has been wasted time because the manner of which he was building a team would NOT equate to the success so many were hoping for. i've taken a lot of grief for that and rightly so - that's how it goes if you're vocal AND against the grain. i felt that the 2-3 years bp would spend chasing a ring with his old friends was wrong and would NOT succeed. now it looks like he's giving up on his old qb buddy and giving the young guy a shot. so in essence, we've FINALLY begun that long postponed path to growing up the right way and ending the WIN NOW approach that never will or has yet.

the "hope" i saw is that we're finally done with the aged vet / parcells buddy plan. we'll play out the year and if not romo, move on and FINALLY get back to what you and i both want - a solid qb we can depend upon. if romo can do it, great. if not we draft as high as we can and make a move for quinn. sounds wonderful to me.

the "hope" i saw was that we're finally giving up on a bad road and this can only mean (after bp's press conf especially) that parcells is about gone and that's part 2 of my ultimate dream. although seeing him last night i did feel bad for him.

but this is his team, no one elses. the results are what they are and parcells drove us here.

my hope is that we can move on now. THAT gives me excitement because we simply don't know what the next move will be and that the moves may actually lend themselves back to our own historical way of building a team gets me pumped about the team again.

that's all i ever wanted. 1 game, even a very bad one, can't take away how happy i am we're finally getting started to maybe doing this the right way vs. the shotgun approach that has blown up in our faces like i always felt it would.

i'm happy because we can look forward and not back. these days i'll take my steps small and slow, but with hope.

that's why i felt good about the game overall.

 

[DIAF]

it doesn't matter. you can play or you can't. there is no "decoder ring" for the 10 easy steps it takes to be an NFL qb IF YOU WERE DRAFTED in any given position.

you can either play, or you can't. this has been my stance all along.

terrible for 3 years? ok, explain where you saw him being "terrible".

I think the fact that Romo was #3 on a team that consistently fielded one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL speaks volumes. "Terrible" might be too kind of a word.

 

[iceberg]

I think the fact that Romo was #3 on a team that consistently fielded one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL speaks volumes. "Terrible" might be too kind of a word.

um...he was put to #2 ahead of the golden boy (even my own golden boy) romo. will he pan out? dunno. but it's high time we found out.

all i ever wanted.

 

[coogrfan]

I would personally like to find out what he has this year. We were going no where with Beldsoe. Can you honestly see us winning the SB with Bledsoe? If the answer is no, then there is no reason now to not go with Romo. I would rather mess up this year, if he doesn't pan out, and have a plan going into the offseason to fix it, rather than out next year in limbo land also.

All of you other guys need to stop messing up this guys opinion with facts

Facts? Like "we were going nowhere with Bledsoe"? Unless you've got a time machine, that my friend would be an opinion.

There is no factual basis to assume Romo is going to be any better than Bledsoe, because he's an unknown quantity. If you're willing to take that chance, fine. But don't rip me or the other Romo doubters just because we haven't decided the season is over after six games.

 

[iceberg]

Facts? Like "we were going nowhere with Bledsoe"? Unless you've got a time machine, that my friend would be an opinion.

There is no factual basis to assume Romo is going to be any better than Bledsoe, because he's an unknown quantity. If you're willing to take that chance, fine. But don't rip me or the other Romo doubters just because we haven't decided the season is over after six games.

you got a time machine to make that we're going somewhere with bledsoe FACT?

given what we've seen from blesdoe in 14 years it's a pretty valid OPINION that blesoe will continue to be what he's always been.

he got pulled for that last night. period.

 

[mwj473]

Inexperienced qb's don't win in the NFL.

No, this is the opinion I was speaking of. This is an opinion that can be countered with facts. People have been giving them throughout this thread. Yet you seem to dispell them.

Brady
Roethlisberger
E. Manning

These QB's have done well with little or no experience. Fact!!

 

[Hostile]

because the game itself didn't matter. the entire time bp has been here i've felt has been wasted time because the manner of which he was building a team would NOT equate to the success so many were hoping for. i've taken a lot of grief for that and rightly so - that's how it goes if you're vocal AND against the grain. i felt that the 2-3 years bp would spend chasing a ring with his old friends was wrong and would NOT succeed. now it looks like he's giving up on his old qb buddy and giving the young guy a shot. so in essence, we've FINALLY begun that long postponed path to growing up the right way and ending the WIN NOW approach that never will or has yet.

the "hope" i saw is that we're finally done with the aged vet / parcells buddy plan. we'll play out the year and if not romo, move on and FINALLY get back to what you and i both want - a solid qb we can depend upon. if romo can do it, great. if not we draft as high as we can and make a move for quinn. sounds wonderful to me.

the "hope" i saw was that we're finally giving up on a bad road and this can only mean (after bp's press conf especially) that parcells is about gone and that's part 2 of my ultimate dream. although seeing him last night i did feel bad for him.

but this is his team, no one elses. the results are what they are and parcells drove us here.

my hope is that we can move on now. THAT gives me excitement because we simply don't know what the next move will be and that the moves may actually lend themselves back to our own historical way of building a team gets me pumped about the team again.

that's all i ever wanted. 1 game, even a very bad one, can't take away how happy i am we're finally getting started to maybe doing this the right way vs. the shotgun approach that has blown up in our faces like i always felt it would.

i'm happy because we can look forward and not back. these days i'll take my steps small and slow, but with hope.

that's why i felt good about the game overall.

Every game matters to me. Even the Switzer through Campo eras.

I want to look forward too, but based on last night I see no real reason to yet. It's like saying you prefer diahhrea to constipation. Neither guy was good enough. Hard for me to hang "hope" on what I saw last night.

If anything, I'm more discouraged than ever. I'm thrilled BP played him. I've been calling for it for 3 years. If he plays better in the future I will acknowledge it. Last night just wasn't good enough.

It just wasn't. That is discouraging. For me anyway.

 

[noshame]

No doubt we'll suffer with the rook this year. He will make mistakes, but he'll learn!! As Ice said, we''ll be on our way to solving an issue we'd had for years. Who's the future QB of the Dallas Cowboys, I bet we find out in a few short months.

Really, this will work out well. Grooming a new QB will give us time to fix the OL and add a WR. It will also give us a chance to coach up all this talent we have on the defense.

 

[iceberg]

Every game matters to me. Even the Switzer through Campo eras.

I want to look forward too, but based on last night I see no real reason to yet. It's like saying you prefer diahhrea to constipation. Neither guy was good enough. Hard for me to hang "hope" on what I saw last night.

If anything, I'm more discouraged than ever. I'm thrilled BP played him. I've been calling for it for 3 years. If he plays better in the future I will acknowledge it. Last night just wasn't good enough.

It just wasn't. That is discouraging. For me anyway.

my "hope" isn't romo - but my "hope" is that it's not bledsoe. my hope is that we've realized that approach isn't going to work.

the game was discouraging for a lot of reasons but to finally see a light at the end of the tunnel is all i've wanted since those infamous 3 games vinnie had to play.

 

[coogrfan]

No, this is the opinion I was speaking of. This is an opinion that can be countered with facts. People have been giving them throughout this thread. Yet you seem to dispell them.

Brady
Roethlisberger
E. Manning

These QB's have done well with little or no experience. Fact!!

The only one of these that supports your position is Brady, and most people would agree that he's a once in a lifetime player. For every Brady, there are probably 10 rookie qb's who stunk it up when they first saw the field.

Eli was downright awful as a rookie. In 9 games he completed 95 of 197 (48.2%) for 1043 yds with 6 td's and 9 interceptions. The Giants went 6-10.

Ben R was nothing more than the qb of record during that 15-0 start. The 2004 Steelers attempted only 358 passes during the regular season (no other team attempted fewer than 438). Meanwhile, they ran the ball an incredible 618 times (Denver was second with 534 attempts).

If the Cowboys were in a position to run an offense like the 04 Steelers, I'd say play Romo. Since they aren't, and since I don't believe the season is lost at this point, imo it's too early to start this "let's see what we've got in Romo" talk.

 

[Hostile]

my "hope" isn't romo - but my "hope" is that it's not bledsoe. my hope is that we've realized that approach isn't going to work.

the game was discouraging for a lot of reasons but to finally see a light at the end of the tunnel is all i've wanted since those infamous 3 games vinnie had to play.

To a degree I can understand that.

I'm sitting in a unique seat as someone who hasn't liked any of our QBs since Aikman and really only was excited about 1 of them. Had he come in and played like that, I'd have had not ounce more of hope.

It's never been about "my guy" for me. My guy is whoever is on the field at the time. That has included guys who just infuriated me. Last night was no different. I guess that's all I am saying. Down 5 and a whole half to play and we lose by 14. Hard to hang hope on that.

 

[mwj473]

The only one of these that supports your position is Brady, and most people would agree that he's a once in a lifetime player. For every Brady, there are probably 10 rookie qb's who stunk it up when they first saw the field.

Eli was downright awful as a rookie. In 9 games he completed 95 of 197 (48.2%) for 1043 yds with 6 td's and 9 interceptions. The Giants went 6-10.

Ben R was nothing more than the qb of record during that 15-0 start. The 2004 Steelers attempted only 358 passes during the regular season (no other team attempted fewer than 438). Meanwhile, they ran the ball an incredible 618 times (Denver was second with 534 attempts).

If the Cowboys were in a position to run an offense like the 04 Steelers, I'd say play Romo. Since they aren't, and since I don't believe the season is lost at this point, imo it's too early to start this "let's see what we've got in Romo" talk.

Please go back and read your original post. You said they don't WIN in the NFL.

Brady did
Roethlisberger did
Manning didn't in his rookie year (9 games), then won the division the next.

Manning replaced Warner about this time 2 years ago and it worked for them the following year & this year. I know he was the #1 overall pick, but at least the Giants had the guts to go ahead and let him learn vs go no where with Warner. Our situation seems eerily similiar.

 

[coogrfan]

Please go back and read your original post. You said they don't WIN in the NFL.

Brady did
Roethlisberger did
Manning didn't in his rookie year (9 games), then won the division the next.

Manning replaced Warner about this time 2 years ago and it worked for them the following year & this year. I know he was the #1 overall pick, but at least the Giants had the guts to go ahead and let him learn vs go no where with Warner. Our situation seems eerily similiar.

Ok, your point is well taken. How about "generally speaking, rookie qb's don't win in the NFL"?

 

[mwj473]

Ok, your point is well taken. How about "generally speaking, rookie qb's don't win in the NFL"?

I will agree with that statement. I just look at the big picture. Can Bledsoe win us a SB? My resounding answer is, NO. If we can't win it all, then we need to see what Romo has this year vs. wasting next year also. Bledsoe has been around along time and will not get better. Romo, on the hand is the enigma that needs to get answered.

 

[iceberg]

Ok, your point is well taken. How about "generally speaking, rookie qb's don't win in the NFL"?

generally speaking you'll not find ANYONE to disagree with that statement. generally speaking. : ) however, you still sooner or later have to go through that rookie break in period.

i'm so glad we're now on that path and i hope we stay the course for the year. THEN and only THEN will we have an idea if romo can do it. if not, pull a few strings, trade up as you need to, and get the best qb you can build around and let's go.

 

[Fatty_VM]

Hope you don't mind Iceberg, I dusted off the post, cleaned up some capitalization and posted it on jetsinsider.com. I am sending links back here to credit you. The post summed up for the most part what I've been thinking since last night.

 

[1fisher]

Not happening, at least not with Romo. Inexperienced qb's don't win in the NFL.

yea.... isnt there a guy named Roethlisberger that won a few games his rookie season and a superbowl a little while later..... inexperience I tell you!

:laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yeah, Bruce Gradkowski isn't 2-1 as a starter.

Ben Roethlisburger didn't win his first 15 games.

You're a joke.

Did they throw three INTs in a half too?

 

[Fatty_VM]

yea.... isnt there a guy named Roethlisberger that won a few games his rookie season and a superbowl a little while later..... inexperience I tell you!

:laugh2: :laugh2:

Let's not even begin comparing Romo to those guys, Our team ISNT the steelers, nor the Bucs. We just need to see what romo has without trying to compare apples to pumpkin pie.