It isn't your money

[nightrain]

So why not extend the argument to include the roster, and play calling? I'm pretty sure those are not ours either, LOL.

 

[Buzzbait]

What? The fans are buying the products that allow advertisement dollars to fund the networks. Fans foot the entire bill...

Exactly. So it was our money before it was theirs. If we don't put up our money, they don't get theirs.

 

[Hadenough]

Prior to the CAP days, the Super Bowls were most often lopsided boring affairs. The CAP has actually increased the entertainment value of the NFL by creating more competitive playoff and Super Bowl games over the past 30 years. That is the reality for the NFL - even if the Cowboys have been frozen out of playoff success over that same period of time.

The salary cap was meant to even the playing field for all teams. Weaker teams like Dallas should be able to compete with the KC Chiefs but can't because they have to pay Dak more than the Chiefs pay Mahomes. And because Dak is not as good they have to pay CD Lamb, and find an all star cast on the o line and star RB. They need stars across the defense to try and stop Mahomes just to be competitive with the Chiefs. Daks salary affects the whole team. That POS isn't worth the money he's getting.

 

[cowboyed]

I just don't understand how anyone who watched that Green Bay game can ever feel good about any of these guys getting big time long term deals. I mean they literally folded up the tent and went some in the second quarter of a playoff game.

The cult leader of the defense Dan Quinn bailed out and joined the Commanders as head coach. There was no effective player leadership on that defense. Frankly I think it is stupid and reckless for head coaches, coordinators and key support staff to be allowed by the NFL to interview and get offers to join other teams while their current teams are going into the post season. It's also hypocritical because players can't do that.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

What? Not my money? Since when? This is news to me.

Having said that...i dont, never have, never will....care about contracts, caps budgets, or ticket prices.

 

[blueblood70]

The cult leader of the defense Dan Quinn bailed out and joined the Commanders as head coach. There was no effective player leadership on that defense. Frankly I think it is stupid and reckless for head coaches, coordinators and key support staff to be allowed by the NFL to interview and get offers to join other teams while their current teams are going into the post season. It's also hypocritical because players can't do that.

First of all if you think Quinn was a leader I don't know what you were watching they may have followed the guy because that's their boss he's the head coach of the defense the man spent all his time in the box he refused to adjust all he did is teach his defense and tell him to go run it even if it's not working if you call that leadership what happened in that Green Bay loss in the playoffs at every big game this year this is a sad state for the Dallas cowboy fan base that you don't get the fact that Quinn's defenses too gimmicky and it works in a lot of cases but then it fails and if you need to see other instances besides that Green Bay game go look at the Green Bay loss in 2022 along with the Jaguar loss in overtime where they blew big fourth quarter leads how about look at the Atlanta you remember the watermelon kick game yeah that was the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons Mr. Dan Quinn and by the way you remember the Super bowl he blew that big lead Yup that was Dan Quinn do you not see the irony that this seems to be his MO he could beat up on teams that really can't block his NASCAR type pressure defense ohh if they can run the ball get physical suck you in and then just drop bombs on you all day he can be beat and the people he took from here he could have them most of them we're overrated they were backups or there were people we were gonna let go anyway so I don't care..

So let's be clear if you thought Dan Quinn was the leader Mike Zimmer has had more success in the NFL and he will be making sure there's both the leader on the sideline during the game because he coaches from the sideline but he will find some guys to assume a leadership role on the field even the kendricks you know the linebacker or someone else he will pick somebody throughout training camp and get in their ear and make them accountable so I don't know who you're talking to because I have them blocked but you're really overvaluing Dan Quinn...​

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Yes, his defense is when they were on fire got a lot of turnovers and they looked all sweet and soft but when they got punched in the mouth he had no answer... So I'm glad he's gone I'm glad Washington took him and I'm thinking Mike Zimmer and his coaching staff will adapt and they will also find a guy on the field to be this leader that you think we're missing and you're right I don't know who that is because it should be everybody should be accountable for their own jobs and their own assignments and not just trying to stat pad we seem to be the way Dan Quinn's defense is look he wanted you to get interceptions he didn't care how high risk it was he wanted you to get sacks no matter what even if it met giving up big plays in the run game so yes I'm jaded and I'm glad he's gone...​

 

[MyFairLady]

IMHO the defense followed the lead of Parsons, D Flaw, Kearse and Diggs and you saw the results.

 

[Buzzbait]

The cult leader of the defense Dan Quinn bailed out and joined the Commanders as head coach. There was no effective player leadership on that defense. Frankly I think it is stupid and reckless for head coaches, coordinators and key support staff to be allowed by the NFL to interview and get offers to join other teams while their current teams are going into the post season. It's also hypocritical because players can't do that.

Totally agree 100%! While he was planning his new job, he was ignoring our defense.

 

[Buzzbait]

What? Not my money? Since when? This is news to me.

Having said that...i dont, never have, never will....care about contracts, caps budgets, or ticket prices.

I do! I definitely care about things that adversely affect the Cowboys which in this case is reckless contracts and cap budgets.
I've never bought game tickets, couldn't afford the high price, but I care about what other fans have to pay for their tickets because they're way too expensive, especially if you take your family.

 

[Buzzbait]

And the advertisers pay because the fans buy. Simple stuff.

The NFL is highly rated. That's why advertisers pay more, because so many people are watching.

Exactly. If the fans stop buying Budweiser, Budweiser won't have the money to pay the network for advertising, and that's the money the network is paying out to the NFL.
It's simple arithmetic. If we don't buy, they don't pay. That's how the system works.
The NFL NEEDS fans.

 

[kskboys]

I do! I definitely care about things that adversely affect the Cowboys which in this case is reckless contracts and cap budgets.
I've never bought game tickets, couldn't afford the high price, but I care about what other fans have to pay for their tickets because they're way too expensive, especially if you take your family.

I think sometimes the people who say they don't care about contracts really do care and don't know it.

 

[DanA]

Applying the OP’s logic.

It’s not our money so we shouldn’t care if the kicker is paid 100% of the salary cap. Like the OP says, teams can manipulate the cap to create enough space for the other 52 other players. How the team strategically allocates funds is a pointless argument that doesn’t require an understanding of football.

 

[KingCorcoran]

First of all if you think Quinn was a leader I don't know what you were watching they may have followed the guy because that's their boss he's the head coach of the defense the man spent all his time in the box he refused to adjust all he did is teach his defense and tell him to go run it even if it's not working if you call that leadership what happened in that Green Bay loss in the playoffs at every big game this year this is a sad state for the Dallas cowboy fan base that you don't get the fact that Quinn's defenses too gimmicky and it works in a lot of cases but then it fails and if you need to see other instances besides that Green Bay game go look at the Green Bay loss in 2022 along with the Jaguar loss in overtime where they blew big fourth quarter leads how about look at the Atlanta you remember the watermelon kick game yeah that was the head coach of the Atlanta Falcons Mr. Dan Quinn and by the way you remember the Super bowl he blew that big lead Yup that was Dan Quinn do you not see the irony that this seems to be his MO he could beat up on teams that really can't block his NASCAR type pressure defense ohh if they can run the ball get physical suck you in and then just drop bombs on you all day he can be beat and the people he took from here he could have them most of them we're overrated they were backups or there were people we were gonna let go anyway so I don't care..

So let's be clear if you thought Dan Quinn was the leader Mike Zimmer has had more success in the NFL and he will be making sure there's both the leader on the sideline during the game because he coaches from the sideline but he will find some guys to assume a leadership role on the field even the kendricks you know the linebacker or someone else he will pick somebody throughout training camp and get in their ear and make them accountable so I don't know who you're talking to because I have them blocked but you're really overvaluing Dan Quinn...​

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Yes, his defense is when they were on fire got a lot of turnovers and they looked all sweet and soft but when they got punched in the mouth he had no answer... So I'm glad he's gone I'm glad Washington took him and I'm thinking Mike Zimmer and his coaching staff will adapt and they will also find a guy on the field to be this leader that you think we're missing and you're right I don't know who that is because it should be everybody should be accountable for their own jobs and their own assignments and not just trying to stat pad we seem to be the way Dan Quinn's defense is look he wanted you to get interceptions he didn't care how high risk it was he wanted you to get sacks no matter what even if it met giving up big plays in the run game so yes I'm jaded and I'm glad he's gone...​

Zimmer got one year contract.

 

[kskboys]

Applying the OP’s logic.

It’s not our money so we shouldn’t care if the kicker is paid 100% of the salary cap. Like the OP says, teams can manipulate the cap to create enough space for the other 52 other players. How the team strategically allocates funds is a pointless argument that doesn’t require an understanding of football.

Nicely done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I do! I definitely care about things that adversely affect the Cowboys which in this case is reckless contracts and cap budgets.
I've never bought game tickets, couldn't afford the high price, but I care about what other fans have to pay for their tickets because they're way too expensive, especially if you take your family.

That's fine. Nothing wrong with that!

Back in the 70's, 80-'s and even early 90's...didn't even know what players made. Never cared anyway, just cheered them on.

After 50 years ...not changing that.

 

[MyFairLady]

Back in the 70's, 80-'s and even early 90's...didn't even know what players made. Never cared anyway, just cheered them on.

After 50 years ...not changing that.

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Ignorance is bliss.

You would know.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

You miss the point of cap arguments. Its not a jealousy thing. Nobody cares if CD makes 50M or 5M. As you said, it is not our money. It makes no difference to fans. The cap arguments are about how can we use the cap money available in way that builds a better team. Is making Dak and CD the highest paid players at their positions a smart use of cap dollars? Who is sacrificed to make those contracts work? Can we improve the team making those contracts b/c this isn't KC or SF where we just need to hold a nucleus of players together who have proven they can get to the big game. We aren't even close. So, we need to have these salary cap discussions bc the contracts affect the ability of the team to improve.

and there you go,,, for all those who want to say "numbers aren't real" there is, in fact, a cap and you can't kick the can down the road in perpetuity. These players aren't going to wait 20 years before you pay them because you mortgaged your cap out for decades.

 

[kskboys]

and there you go,,, for all those who want to say "numbers aren't real" there is, in fact, a cap and you can't kick the can down the road in perpetuity. These players aren't going to wait 20 years before you pay them because you mortgaged your cap out for decades.

The players get their money right away. It's the bonuses that are kicked down the road, and only on paper. The money has already been paid.

 

[Doomsday]

The cult leader of the defense Dan Quinn bailed out and joined the Commanders as head coach. There was no effective player leadership on that defense. Frankly I think it is stupid and reckless for head coaches, coordinators and key support staff to be allowed by the NFL to interview and get offers to join other teams while their current teams are going into the post season. It's also hypocritical because players can't do that.

We saw the same thing happen in Denver when Jack Del Rio bailed to go to the Raiders. They had a great defense and the dude mailed it in during the playoffs and they got booted. Doubt those are the only two examples as well.