It isn't your money

[BoysForLife]

You miss the point of cap arguments. Its not a jealousy thing. Nobody cares if CD makes 50M or 5M. As you said, it is not our money. It makes no difference to fans. The cap arguments are about how can we use the cap money available in way that builds a better team. Is making Dak and CD the highest paid players at their positions a smart use of cap dollars? Who is sacrificed to make those contracts work? Can we improve the team making those contracts b/c this isn't KC or SF where we just need to hold a nucleus of players together who have proven they can get to the big game. We aren't even close. So, we need to have these salary cap discussions bc the contracts affect the ability of the team to improve.

The perfect response. Absolute mic drop truth bomb. Great post. Thank you

 

[kskboys]

You are making my point. Stephen may not be a good football guy, but he is a football guy. The NFL (and other sports teams) are littered with failed GMs. Have you ever heard of Jon Daniels? I don't have an issue with anyone criticizing Jerry or Stephen for their lack of success. But the attempt to label them as non-football guys is just ridiculous.

The attempt to label them as football guys is even more ridiculous. They are pretty much the polar opposite of football guys. Kinda shocking to see anyone claim they are.

 

[kskboys]

You are making my point. Stephen may not be a good football guy, but he is a football guy. The NFL (and other sports teams) are littered with failed GMs. Have you ever heard of Jon Daniels? I don't have an issue with anyone criticizing Jerry or Stephen for their lack of success. But the attempt to label them as non-football guys is just ridiculous.

Methinks you don't know the definition of "football guy".

 

[Cmac]

Board Salary Capologists stop.

 

[erod]

NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.

Nobody cares what they spend, but when they use that to explain why they can't sign other players and improve the team, then yes, it becomes OUR money.

 

[MyFairLady]

Trying to have a rational debate with the "who care what they get paid it isn't your money" crowd is by definition pointless. Some of you have put it very eloquently why is matters to fans but you are completely wasting your time.

 

[Hadenough]

NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.

It's the pinciple of some a-hole holding out for top tier money at his position and underperforming on the big stage. By the way the other teams that are finding ways around the salary cap are just kicking the can down the road hoping the salary cap goes up enough so it's not too bad a hit. Daks salary is affecting the teams ability to pay other stars and sign other big name FAs to help the team. If you restructure your just kicking the can down the road also now knowing he isn't good enough to win anything regardless of how many top FAs they bring in.

 

[tunahelper]

They get a lot from TV revenue contracts as well and sponsored companies.
And yes from fans buying merchandise. So I wonder what the percentages are compared to the other contracts.

What? The fans are buying the products that allow advertisement dollars to fund the networks. Fans foot the entire bill...

 

[kskboys]

Trying to have a rational debate with the "who care what they get paid it isn't your money" crowd is by definition pointless. Some of you have put it very eloquently why is matters to fans but you are completely wasting your time.

That crowd is unbelievably naive as well as agenda driven or something. They don't make any sense.

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

Post makes zero sense. Nobody is saying this is OUR money.

 

[jazzcat22]

What? The fans are buying the products that allow advertisement dollars to fund the networks. Fans foot the entire bill...

No, TV pays the NFL so they can get revenue from the companies to advertise their junk. Fans do not have to buy anything. They buy because of either necessities of life. Or stuff they want or impulse buying.

No fan has said, wow, the NFL paid for this so I will go buy that product to support them.

So an advertisement on some stupid reality show, a person buy that product, are they supporting that show. Or buying it because they decided to, or needed that item.
Everyone needs food. There are 5 different insurance commercials on over 1,000 times a day, people need insurance, but not to support the NFL or NBA, or NHL or MLB.

 

[kskboys]

No, TV pays the NFL so they can get revenue from the companies to advertise their junk. Fans do not have to buy anything. They buy because of either necessities of life. Or stuff they want or impulse buying.

No fan has said, wow, the NFL paid for this so I will go buy that product to support them.

So an advertisement on some stupid reality show, a person buy that product, are they supporting that show. Or buying it because they decided to, or needed that item.
Everyone needs food. There are 5 different insurance commercials on over 1,000 times a day, people need insurance, but not to support the NFL or NBA, or NHL or MLB.

And the advertisers pay because the fans buy. Simple stuff.

The NFL is highly rated. That's why advertisers pay more, because so many people are watching.

 

[DandyDon52]

To me it's not about "what real GM's would do" but rather what the Cowboys have done for 29 years and what they have not done.

You can argue to maintain the status quo as strongly as you want and the odds are good you will get your wish.

After 29 years, it is past time to throw out the off-season playbook and try something new.

Maybe it will work or maybe it will end in disaster, but at least it's something new.

The Jones family and the Cowboys are more focused on making money so I fully expect them to keep doing the same thing that makes the team valuation increase year after year.

They will pay huge contracts to players who have proven nothing other than regular season stats and the players get an extra month off every year by avoiding the playoffs.

I am not a GM, and maybe that's a good thing for people who are satisfied with 29 years of failures.

At least you know how the story will end every year.

good post reality!
It has gotten boring to watch, just same old stuff over and over.
That is one reason why I would like a new qb and new HC, it might generate something new and interesting.

The regular season is now boring even if they won every game, I would still think they would be knocked out of playoffs quickly with the
current HC and Players.

 

[DandyDon52]

They get tv money because of fans watching.

they get the tv money due to contracts with the networks, which are based solely on Nielsen ratings For NFL games.
These ratings are all estimated but no one seems to care lol.
NFL games have way better neilsen ratings than all the other tv shows.

They dont know what you or your friends or watching, just the people neilsen monitors.

 

[plasticman]

It isn't about the value of money as a financial tool in the private lives of players and owners. It is about the strategic value of the salary cap and the way it is implemented by the team.

I think most of us don't think about the wealth associated with that many millions of dollars of a cap amount. We think of it as a pie that has to be divided in a way that best helps top build a solid team.

Every time a player gets a larger slice, it means another player must accept a smaller slice, there is only so much pie. No matter how much they can attempt to manipulate the cap, the dead money will always come back to haunt them. Dead money means that you have to start off with a pie that already has slices missing.

And even if it isn't our money, where did it come from? It is our purchases of merchandise and our patronage of their sponsors that pay everybody.

 

[TwentyOne]

NFL teams (and other leagues) have proven over and over again they can manipulate the salary CAP in multiple ways to build the teams with the players they want. So any excuse that involves insufficient funds is just an excuse. Having said that, every team makes different strategic choices when it comes to managing the salary CAP.

As for player salaries, even the lowest paid players make salaries that are mere fantasies to 99.9% of fans. So, I’ve never understood why fans take sides when it comes to disputes between millionaires and billionaires. I’ve worked for 36 years as an engineer, and haven’t made as much as Dak Prescott will make in 2 games. I’ve supported my family, sent 3 children to college, and am paying for a 2nd wedding this year. And it’s been enough.

Bottom line: it’s not my money. It isn’t your money either. Arguing over salary CAP dollars and player salaries is really among the most useless things a fan can do. We cannot relate to wealth at that level.

Does CeeDee, or Dak, or Micah “deserve” the money they’ll get? Is it fair that they make so much more these days than players like Larry Allen or Emmitt Smith made back in the day. WHO CARES? It’s not my money.

And it isn’t yours either. Pretending it matters to fans is just another psychological fantasy to engage fans. I won’t be sucked into those arguments anymore. I prefer to discuss football, not finances.

If you want to discuss football not finances i dont understand why you start a thread exactly about the topic you dont want to discuss.

Why not make that choice for yourself and follow your own rule ?
Your post remindes me a bit of the scene in "Cast Away" where the protagonist yelled "Look! I made fire." Of course nobody was there. And nobody should be there because it was a allegory that you are responsible for your well being alone.

Why try to force others to discuss what you like ? Are you someone special ? More special than us ?
If you need someone who listens to your inner restrains why not get a therapist ? This for sure is not the right place for it.

 

[TwentyOne]

Which they need to start front loading contracts making it easier later in the contract to let these guys go if they're having years of bad play

I did not read the previous post. so sorry if my answer is out of context.

I like your idea. I think you pay a player big money because of what he showed you lately. So frontloading his deal makes much sense.
You risk the bigger portion of the deal in years where you expect him to be able to procude again. Therefore your minimize the risk.
The risk gets bigger the further the player is away from his last good shape/outing. So reducing the salary in the further away year in a contract makes sense.

But as we (Stephen Jones) missmanged the cap now for decades we are constantly in a situation where we are not able to frontload deals. We are forced to hand out deals that are backloaded and even use void year. Those things handcuff us (see Prescott for example)

I dont think SJ or our FO had spent one second of thought about your idea. Which shows us all how competent they are: 30 years of FO experience. Enough time to talk and think about a lot good solutions. Now a amateur in a internet forum comes along thinks about the probems for 5 minutes and gets a good idea. I tell you: We have very competent people in our FO.....

 

[DallasEast]

It isn't about the value of money as a financial tool in the private lives of players and owners. It is about the strategic value of the salary cap and the way it is implemented by the team.

I think most of us don't think about the wealth associated with that many millions of dollars of a cap amount. We think of it as a pie that has to be divided in a way that best helps top build a solid team.

Every time a player gets a larger slice, it means another player must accept a smaller slice, there is only so much pie. No matter how much they can attempt to manipulate the cap, the dead money will always come back to haunt them. Dead money means that you have to start off with a pie that already has slices missing.

And even if it isn't our money, where did it come from? It is our purchases of merchandise and our patronage of their sponsors that pay everybody.

Good post. Members do not commonly comment about 'our money' consisting of more than just merchandise (as you mentioned) and ticket sales. 'Our patronage of their sponsors' is often missing from commentary, even though it is another, significant component of the players' pie we discuss every day.

 

[kskboys]

If you want to discuss football not finances i dont understand why you start a thread exactly about the topic you dont want to discuss.

Why not make that choice for yourself and follow your own rule ?
Your post remindes me a bit of the scene in "Cast Away" where the protagonist yelled "Look! I made fire." Of course nobody was there. And nobody should be there because it was a allegory that you are responsible for your well being alone.

Why try to force others to discuss what you like ? Are you someone special ? More special than us ?
If you need someone who listens to your inner restrains why not get a therapist ? This for sure is not the right place for it.

I know, right? This thread never did make any sense. Just a little mollycoddle personal agenda bankie.

 

[kskboys]

they get the tv money due to contracts with the networks, which are based solely on Nielsen ratings For NFL games.
These ratings are all estimated but no one seems to care lol.
NFL games have way better neilsen ratings than all the other tv shows.

They dont know what you or your friends or watching, just the people neilsen monitors.

Estimated, yes, but the estimate comes from the studies they do, so there is at least some credence to them.

If no one was watching(See the NBA), they would be able to get some feedback saying that.

The more people are watching, the more the advertisers are willing to pay. The more the advertisers are willing to pay, the more money the players make. If the ratings started tanking, the salary cap would not be going up so quickly.