It might be time for Jason Garrett to re-define what "Right Kinda Guy" means

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fredp22 said:
Nobody told Garrett to make that statement. He made it his mission statement when he was hired on how was going to build this team. I've seen none of it when he's acquiring players. Maybe Jason should have just told us what everyone already knew- Hes has no idea how to build a team, Jerry runs everything and he's along to learn (like Piniella did when Steinbrenner hired him). I think he deserves it every time his BS RKG speech backfires in his face. Maybe next time he'll just keep his mouth shut instead of thinking everyone is stupid enough to buy a line of crap.
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Bullflop said:
Nobody's trying to place the blame on Garrett for anything other than questioning the wisdom of continuing his mantra about RKGs when we have twice the suspensions of any other team. Do you think he wants players who are constantly in trouble? Can you name a HC who would? This issue has been covered ad infinitum. There's no need to run it into the ground more than what it has been already. I think JG's OK as our coach and surely don't blame him for what the players do wrong. That'd be silly.
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Tom Cable.;).
 
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rocyaice said:
I'm just asking what do you think the problem is? I think when they scout these guys they are considered the right kind of guys........but that's with college supervision....in the NFL....you are essentially on your own....as you should be. I think they've pretty much been true and consistent when it comes to the players they bring in here.....its just bit them at times like it does most teams. w
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I'm done rehashing what I've already gone into great detail as to what I object to concerning this matter. What I've already mentioned it. When the team drafts guys who have already had multiple suspensions in college, they're asking for trouble. They aren't RKGs in that sense at all. Many others are released by their teams for various offenses, only to be welcomed into the fold here. My objections have been hashed and rehashed many times. Read them again. No further explanations are required, imho.
 
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Bullflop said:
I'm done rehashing what I've already gone into great detail as to what I object to concerning this matter. What I've already mentioned it. When the team drafts guys who have already had multiple suspensions in college, they're asking for trouble. They aren't RKGs in that sense at all. Many others are released by their teams for various offenses, only to be welcomed into the fold here. My objections have been hashed and rehashed many times. Read them again. No further explanations are required, imho.
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There is only so much that anyone can say! Ole Jerry boy is always looking for the next steal. Heck, l blame Charles Haley!! Jones struck gold with him and has been searching ever since.;).
 
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haleyrules said:
There is only so much that anyone can say! Ole Jerry boy is always looking for the next steal. Heck, l blame Charles Haley!! Jones struck gold with him and has been searching ever since.;).
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Can't say for sure as I wouldn't do the same in his shoes if that's what it got me! After Haley won the SB for him, it made the temptation too great. The only thing is, after about 3 or 4 failures, you might think it'd slow him down. Maybe our GM's desperation is a tad funny that way. ;)
 
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Idgit said:
What, we're drawing the line at 'what other team's coaches do' now for some reason? :)
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Yes, unless you feel JG is somehow responsible for what Tom Cable does. I certainly don't feel he's responsible for what the players or anyone else does. Too many here are intent upon twisting my stance on putting the RKG mantra to rest to suggest I have an anti JG agenda when, in fact, I don't. There's a big difference between speaking up against what I consider preaching an unwise mantra, as opposed to speaking up against the man himself. I have taken his side far too many times for that to be so.
 
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DOUBLE WING said:
We've lost more players to suspension during Garrett's tenure than any other point in Cowboys history, including the 90s.

The problem isn't finding the RKG. The problem is whether Garrett is the right kinda guy, to be looking for the right kinda guy, because right now Garrett's track record with finding the right kinda guy is looking kinda putrid.
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Quoted for truth
 
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BrAinPaiNt said:
When are people here going to get over the RKG thing? Really.

Every coach, gm or personnel will use this phrase or their own similar phrase to justify them drafting a player, bringing in a FA or trading for a player to come to their team.

The term they use can mean whatever they want it to mean in under to justify it.

If a guy is a boy scout and plays hard and never has been in trouble Byron Jones...RKG.
If a guy plays hard but has been in a little bit of trouble before Dak (dui before the draft)...RKG
If a guy has a load athletic talent but has yet to materialize on the field and they can get him for a bargain, whether he is a saint or not David Irving(during the draft they took him off their boards) ...RKG
If a guy has a great deal of talent and has produced on the field but has been in trouble for off the field issues and they can get him for a deal, Greg Hardy...RKG
If a guy is super talented and has not had trouble off the field but is known as a cancer in the locker room for more than one team even turning on coaches and QBs, T.O....RKG (although to be fair this was under Bill not Jason


RKG is just an excuse to explain why they brought in this or that player. It can mean anything they want. He is a hard worker, he stays out of trouble, he might get in trouble but he plays hard, he might not have lived up to his potential and needs coached up but there is talent there, he has been in a good deal of trouble but he is talented enough they are willing to take a gamble on him for the right price and his former teammates loved him. blah blah blah

And yet year after year, thread after thread someone comes in and acts like it is a way to belittle the coach, the GM or whoever in this organization.

They are no different than any other team when they use an excuse to bring in someone or keep someone or justify a player being on the roster.

Some time ago in yet another one of these type of threads I went through a list of some of the top coaches who were also seen as disciplinarian coaches who have all had players that have gotten in trouble in one form or the other but the coaches kept them on the roster until they had to get rid of them later.

The really ironic thing about this is during draft time when some of us don't want troubled players even though they are really talented (Randy Gregory)...people on here will say...we need players not boy scouts. I have seen some of the same people who have said that in order for us to draft a player like Gregory, turn around and complain about the Coaches and staff for taking a player like Gregory when Gregory continues to do what Gregory did in college.
The irony is incredible.
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So what are you saying?

I kid... ;)
 
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