ITS: Cowboys' Offseason Moves Heavily Influenced by Assistant Coaches

[TheDude]

Point is why would I listen to these coaches? Because these are the men running the team. We have McCarthy SB winning coach, Quinn brought Atlanta to the SB. These are not slobs as many love to claim, they have done good things in this league and yet a bunch of message board poster who have done nothing belittles what they have done? lol Before anyone says McCarthy had Rodgers? Name a HC who won SB or got to SB with bad QB's?

Joe Namath; David Woodley; Craig Morton; Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Vince Ferragamo Marc Rypien, Chris Chandler, Stan HUmphries, Trent Dilfer, Kerry Collins Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Joe Flacco, Garopollo

 

[Doomsday101]

Joe Namath; David Woodley; Craig Morton; Jim McMahon, Jeff Hostetler, Vince Ferragamo Marc Rypien, Chris Chandler, Stan HUmphries, Trent Dilfer, Kerry Collins Brad Johnson, Jake Delhomme, Rex Grossman, Joe Flacco, Garopollo

Yet in the seasons they made it to the SB they put up very good numbers for the season. You can add Eli Manning to that list as well.

 

[TheDude]

Yet in the seasons they made it to the SB they put up very good numbers for the season. You can add Eli Manning to that list as well.

Trent Dilfer 2000

Comp Percentage - 59.3%
Yards - 1,502
TD - 12
Int - 11

Absolutely tearing it up. Biggest issue was keeping a fire extinguisher at hand every 50 ft just in case he spontaneously combust

 

[TheDude]

Joe Namath 1968

Comp Percentage - 49.2%
Yards - 3,147
TD - 15
Int - 17

 

[Doomsday101]

Joe Namath 1968

Comp Percentage - 49.2%
Yards - 3,147
TD - 15
Int - 17

Yet Joe was 3rd in passing in the AFL (not even part of the NFL at the time)

 

[TheDude]

Yet Joe was 3rd in passing in the AFL (not even part of the NFL at the time)

Yet he threw more INTs than TDs.

 

[TheDude]

Yet he threw more INTs than TDs and <50% completion rate.

>50% of the time he threw on first down, it was 2nd and 10. He was not a good QB in any year - maybe his Rookie year (the only year with TD>INT) or 1967. That is it

 

[Doomsday101]

Yet he threw more INTs than TDs.

He was also the AFL MVP on the season, different era of football and his number were comparable to his peers

 

[fivetwos]

Using your criteria I see how you come up with that number. Mine a little more simplistic, I need my 1st 3 picks to be quality starters beyond that is a bonus. If my 4th through 7 I can get 2 or 3 contributors out of that group maybe a starting quality players then great.

Wish I had a better way of determining hit vs miss, but I'm not sure how much it would change the numbers.

They were a few ups and downs, 2009 vs 2010 as an example, but the numbers generally were consistent from draft to draft with the overall.

Going into any given draft, every team should hope and expect to get a quality starter in 1-3 as you say, but we see how it generally ends up over time.

Breaking it down by team was something I wasn't up for, but Id wager those a bit ahead of the overall curve were teams we got used to seeing each January.

 

[TheDude]

He was also the AFL MVP on the season, different era of football and his number were comparable to his peers

He was in NY, Brash TV personality. Len Dawson Bob and Daryle LaMonica were more deserving and the NFL QBs buried him in performance

 

[Parcells4Life]

You don't actually believe this do you?

That is 100% verified. Jerry is around for the big decisions like hiring a coach or giving permission to give up a #1 pick. But he’s not the one saying go get Brent Urban and negotiating a contract with him.

how personnel works:

1) McClay and coaches target guys within salary range.

2) McClay makes recommendation to Stephen

3) Stephen assigns his underling to get the deal done.

4) Underling reports to Stephen.

5) Stephen tells Jerry.

For draft

1) McClay, scouts and coaches discuss

2) McClay makes his recommendations

3) Stephen lets them know if there’s trade offers and if they think it’s a good deal.

4) If trying to go up, McClay and Stephen discuss if it’s worth it.

5) Draft pick is in and summary of player is given to Jerry.

Jerry has the right to step in if he so chooses but it’s the McClay/Stephen show.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Stephen's ideology is to never have to rebuild. But whatever their ideology has been it hasn't been working as of yet. Remember, this just started a few years ago.

What started a few years ago?

 

[Rockport]

What started a few years ago?

Build via the draft and not high priced free agents.

 

[JoeKing]

Fassel and Quinn are influential but not Moore?

 

[buybuydandavis]

That hasn't been the problem here for quite some time. The bigger issue is the lack of consistent direction from the front office. There's a huge vacuum up top, which is why we're they're constantly changing philosophies every few years.

This.

The problem has been particularly acute on defense as we churn DCs. Whatever the failings of Garrett, he brought a consistent philosophy to the offense for a long time.

I was just sticking up for Crawford as a 3-4 DE who was ok at multiple 4-3 positions. We took our 100million Dollar 4-3 DE and decided to stand him up, cuz new DC.

The major management problem around here hasn't been Jerry sticking his nose into personnel, it's been our GM having no football philosophy and *deferring* to the coaching staff on personnel. The GM is *supposed* to provide the football philosophy for personnel so it doesn't flip and flop with every coaching change.

 

[buybuydandavis]

The problem is when a coordinator goes to bat for a player and then almost immediately putting that same player in the doghouse because he wasn't what the coordinator envisioned.

Want some Marinelli sauce on that?

 

[Doomsday101]

He was in NY, Brash TV personality. Len Dawson Bob and Daryle LaMonica were more deserving and the NFL QBs buried him in performance

Does not change the fact by the standards of that era Joe numbers were on par.

 

[Bullflop]

I like what I see of our offseason moves so far. That will apply even more, if the wise moves continue in the draft. Nice progress.

 

[CATCH17]

I agree with this to some extent. But I do think the meddling happens..it’s just obvious but less constant. Like I don’t believe for one minute that MM came in, after all his interviews in his cabin saying he’d never let anyone run his offense again and told Jerry “I’d love to have Kellen Moore stay and run things.” That’s a Jerry move like the Garrett stuff. I DONT think he meddles on a large amount of things and think that gets thrown about too often. He just picks his spots where he’s adamant

lol careful.. You will upset some folks.



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