It's not the defense, it's the inconsistent offense

CowboyRoy

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Didn't nitpick stated facts that the offense failed to show up. You won't spin it to be right. Never said offense was a bug problem said they're were part of the issue sometimes.

Offense "not showing up" a few times a year is common for even the best offenses. Nothing unusual there.

That's why you need a complete team. Because when one of the 3 components doesn't show up, you can win in other ways.

What our OFFENSE needs is better scheme, better coaching, and better in game management. I will agree on that all day long. And from the looks of it, those problems have been addressed.
 

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No, no, it was the defense.


How else can you explain that Romo had the highest rated 4th quarter QBR ranking AND was also known for crippling 4th quarter interceptions?

He had to keep coming back because the defense could never stop anyone, especially when it mattered most.
 

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Offense "not showing up" a few times a year is common for even the best offenses. Nothing unusual there.

That's why you need a complete team. Because when one of the 3 components doesn't show up, you can win in other ways.

What our OFFENSE needs is better scheme, better coaching, and better in game management. I will agree on that all day long. And from the looks of it, those problems have been addressed.

Hard to imagine any unit being worse that last year with the new coaches. But I dont expect immediate change without a ton of bumps in the road either.
 

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On Blogging the Boys there is an article showing data over the last ten years of when the offense scores 24 points and when they don't. It proves a point that I have been making. The problem with the team is not the defense, but the inconsistent offense.

It shows the numbers of last year's offense, 37 points in wins and 17 points in losses. Very up and down, the most in the NFL. The defensive numbers are 17 points in wins and 23 in losses, more consistent.

Then there is the 10 year break down. Dallas is 62 and 18 when scoring 24 points in the last ten years.

Breaking it down further, from 2010 to 2013 Dallas was just 18 and 14 when scoring 24 points. But since 2014 Dallas is 44 and 4. Since 2016 Dallas is 32 and 2.

So the defense was not that good from 2010 to 2013, but since 2014 the defense has been excellent "WHEN" the offense performs. And during Prescott's time the defense has not been able to protect the 24 point mark TWICE.

The defense is not the best in the NFL, but it sure was and is good enough to win games when the offense shows up.

If Dallas has offensive consistency in 2020 they will win, the numbers prove it.

They lost 3 games in 2019 when they scored 24 points.

Those 3 opponents never lost when they scored as many points as they scored against the Cowboys.

The Cowboys scored 9 more points against the Rams in the 2018 season playoff game than the Pats scored against the Rams to win the Super Bowl.

The big difference was that the Cowboys gave up 27 more points than the Pats gave up to the Rams.
 

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The article was about ten years of data, not cherry picking.

Just presenting what was in the article.

Last year Prescott was the QB. Dallas 8 and 0 over 24 points, 0 and 8 when under.
Wrong!
 

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No, no, it was the defense.


How else can you explain that Romo had the highest rated 4th quarter QBR ranking AND was also known for crippling 4th quarter interceptions?

He had to keep coming back because the defense could never stop anyone, especially when it mattered most.

It was because Garrett was a horrendous play caller and Dallas used to be one of the lowest scoring teams in the first half and Dallas would have to go hurry up in the second half. The whole pressure of offense was put on Romo, that’s how bad Garrett was.

in 2012, the talk of the town was that Dallas should go more hurry up because of the “success” of Romo calling the plays when the offense was stagnating,
After 2012, Jerry started pulling the reigns from Garrett. John Garrett was let go as passing game coordinator. A bunch of position coaches were fired. The Callahan experiment as play caller started, but Garrett kept interfering. Jerry officially banned Garrett from offense in 2014 when Linehan came.

it wasn’t simply defense. Romo and the Cowboys has to play catch up in the second half because of Garrett’s futile play calling and multiple 3 and outs.
 

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Amazing how you are so into consistency. So how consistent was the defense? Kicker?

If the defense held the opposing offense to 18 points or under the Cowboys go 12-4.

Bubububububububut……….………………………….We need a Mahomes that scores 40 points a game!!! :muttley:

In a 16 week season the defense didn't show up three times, GB, CHI, and DET. The Minnesota game was a good game with no unit losing game.(damn NFC North)

This leaves 12 weeks. In these 12 weeks the defense allowed 201 points or 16.75 on average. That's 17 points a game for 3/4 of the season, damn good. But Dallas went 7-5 in these games. Why???

Bingo, the inconsistent offense.
 

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There hasn't been an undefeated Superbowl champ since 1972. That fact says that all offenses are inconsistent. Every team gets beat sooner or later. And how do they get beat you ask? Because they didn't score more points than their opponents.

So let me re-educate you on the basics. It's a three phase game. Offenses try to out score their opponents. Defenses try to stop their opponents from scoring. In order for a team to lose, both the offense and defense have to fall at accomplishing their goals. These teams win and lose as a team. No defense can consistently hold their opponents to 13 points and no offense can consistently score 27 points. Both units have their ups and downs, because both units are inconsistent. Every team in the NFL has this problem. Every team in the NFL will have a win/loss record associated with scoring a certain amount of points. Dallas is no different.

Special teams performances change from week to week as well. All teams go through the same inconsistencies. Which is why it's so hard to be an undefeated Superbowl champion.

So you have to go all the way back to 1972 to find a team that played with consistency during the regular season and the post season. Outside of that 1972 team all teams have been inconsistent.


No team is going to be 100%. But you can't score 37 points in wins and 17 points in losses. That's a three TD swing largest in the NFL.

The poster childs of inconsistency.
 

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You can’t seriously be defending last years defense could you?

The offense is better than the defense. But the root cause of the failure of the team fell on the inconsistent offense.

Don't look at it with emotion. Look at it as it really happened. I just responded to CowboyRoy with this.

The Dallas defense had three bad games GB, CHI, DET. The fourth against Minnesota was just a good game. That leaves 12 games. In those 12 games the defense gave up 201 points, or 16.75 a game. Though the defense was able to average 17 a game allowed, the team went 7-5. The inconsistency of the offense cost Dallas those games.
 

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it was more, Dak can't play under pressure from good defenses. He can't score and freezes up.
 

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In 1970, the Cowboys first SB season, was 14 games. in game #13 the Cowboys won 6-2. The last game, #14, the last regular season game, the Cowboys won 52-10. The very next week, the first playoff game, they won 5-0.
Well clearly that shows the defense was winning those games.
just allowing 12 points in 3 games. They didnt need the 52 to win, just 12.

I would have to agree, that our offense has been sporadic, and why they lost games where the defense played good enough to win.
The NE game and the NO games come to mind, where had our offense scored just 14 points in each game they would have won.
 

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I thought both the Cowboys offense and their defense could have easily been better. The offense was overly predictable, while the defense was just poorly conceived under Marinelli. Hopefully, McCarthy and his staff will be disposed to correcting both of those problems. Coaching under Garrett and his staff was far from ideal on both sides of the ball, imho. Let's see if MM and his staff manages to do better. I really think they will.
 
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The offense is better than the defense. But the root cause of the failure of the team fell on the inconsistent offense.

Don't look at it with emotion. Look at it as it really happened. I just responded to CowboyRoy with this.

The Dallas defense had three bad games GB, CHI, DET. The fourth against Minnesota was just a good game. That leaves 12 games. In those 12 games the defense gave up 201 points, or 16.75 a game. Though the defense was able to average 17 a game allowed, the team went 7-5. The inconsistency of the offense cost Dallas those games.
Well we can just agree to disagree. Anyone who watched all the games last year saw this defense torched especially when they had to make a stop late in the game, they couldn’t.
 

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In a 16 week season the defense didn't show up three times, GB, CHI, and DET. The Minnesota game was a good game with no unit losing game.(damn NFC North)

This leaves 12 weeks. In these 12 weeks the defense allowed 201 points or 16.75 on average. That's 17 points a game for 3/4 of the season, damn good. But Dallas went 7-5 in these games. Why???

Bingo, the inconsistent offense.

The defense was last in the NFL in turnovers and only produced 36 sacks. I guess that is consistently bad. LOL
 

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In a 16 week season the defense didn't show up three times, GB, CHI, and DET. The Minnesota game was a good game with no unit losing game.(damn NFC North)

This leaves 12 weeks. In these 12 weeks the defense allowed 201 points or 16.75 on average. That's 17 points a game for 3/4 of the season, damn good. But Dallas went 7-5 in these games. Why???

Bingo, the inconsistent offense.

Enjoy this one its a good read. No cherry picking here, just the facts over the last decade:

Prescott, Romo steered Cowboys through bad decade of defense

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...escott-tony-romo-jason-garrett-wade-phillips/
 

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In a 16 week season the defense didn't show up three times, GB, CHI, and DET. The Minnesota game was a good game with no unit losing game.(damn NFC North)

This leaves 12 weeks. In these 12 weeks the defense allowed 201 points or 16.75 on average. That's 17 points a game for 3/4 of the season, damn good. But Dallas went 7-5 in these games. Why???

Bingo, the inconsistent offense.

Chiefs, the GREATEST offense in all of football, your hero's had 5 games of 24 points or under and they won 3 of them.

So I guess the offense was "inconsistent"?

That's just football.
 

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Chiefs, the GREATEST offense in all of football, your hero's had 5 games of 24 points or under and they won 3 of them.

So I guess the offense was "inconsistent"?

That's just football.

And, one of those games was with their BACKUP QB.
 

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Chiefs, the GREATEST offense in all of football, your hero's had 5 games of 24 points or under and they won 3 of them.

So I guess the offense was "inconsistent"?

That's just football.
A case where some fans don't know what a sneaky good defense and special teams looks like. How anyone would defend our defense and special teams, especially last year is beyond me.
 
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