It's Over

[big dog cowboy]

If they switch to Cassell in the bye week I'll say I don't think it's over yet.

I have faith that Cassell can do enough with this offense to win against the Giants, Philly, and the Bucs. If he comes in and gives us 3 out of those 4 games like that then we'll be good. That's 5-4 when Romo comes back and that's more than enough for Romo to do his thing, get us in the playoffs, and then see where it goes from there.

This team just has to move away from Weeden if we're going to have any shot.

Really good post. Really good.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Myth.

Murray was 4.7 last year and we are 4.1 now.

Sorry 4.1 won't cut it. That is absolutely pathetic. Especially when the run game is inconsistent and ineffective. Murray was 4.7 because we kept running him to take time off the clock - causing his average lower. On the other hand, Randle and Co. keeps getting weaker as the game progressed. Thus the run game is just a shadow of itself.

Like I said RBBC is not working. It doesn't allow for the RBs and the oline to get into a grove in our run game. We were better off with a one back system from the start. Just like last year.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Sorry 4.1 won't cut it. That is absolutely pathetic.

It's not great but it's not pathetic. Especially when you consider how inconsistent the OL has been so far.

 

[Rockport]

In 2010 the Cowboys shut down Romo because of the fact that the team was out of the playoff race when he was healthy enough to play again. Should we do the same this year? Realistically with the way the Giants are playing does anyone really expect the Cowboys to still be alive when Romo can return against Miami? I just don't see it.

The team I saw in the second half looked just dead and lifeless and I can't blame them. This coaching staff and that scrub quarterback sucks the life out of the game. Running on every first down. Doing nothing to help your offensive line. To help your receivers. Teams run pick plays on us all game and we never run any. Same basic offense every single week.

Honestly if I'm Romo I may even consider retiring. What are the odds as much as we love and clearly miss the guy he can even make it through the season? As much as I dread seeing this team post Romo I can't help, but think realistically he missed his best shot at a Super Bowl last year after the excruciating loss against Green Bay. Really a shame. Witten too.

I just think it's too uphill of a battle. Defense is improved, but the safeties outside of Jones are still awful. Tackling was awful. No play makers in that secondary or ballhawks. There's no way you can win a game in New York on the road even with a switch at quarterback if we can't force Eli into picks. I've seen nothing to think that will change.

Plus we saw what New England did after the defensive line mauled their offensive line. Getting the ball out of Brady's hands and with the horrific coverage they have the ability to do that. It's sad that our best cover corner in this game was Corey White. Tackling was pathetic. Safeties continue to take awful angles.

I do think Matt Cassel can give the Cowboys a spark, but will it be enough? Getting Dez back for the game in New York would be huge because he'll take a few defenders away from that box. The problem is we still have two huge liabilities on the offensive line right now. Two players who have been good players for us, but it looks like age, atricion, and a degenerative knee condition have taken it's toll for Ronald Leary and Doug Free. Free is so key on those backside blocks in this scheme and he's just unable to get there. These scrub backs can't make that guy miss.

It's clear letting DeMarco Murray walk was a horrible decision. Perfect fit for this scheme. Even when there were unblocked defenders he wasn't hesitant. He'd put his head down and run over and through people and that's missing right. Leary is getting pushed back time after time. Free has never been a power guy. His strength has been mobility, footwork, fleet footness and whether he's just old or his ankles or whatever it is that's no longer there.

Then you talk about the coaching staff. I've defended them in the past and I just can't do it. I already alluded to the horrific schemes, but with how God awful Weeden was in that first half. This offense desperately needed a spark and we could've went with Cassel and they stuck with Weeden. Why? You could even see it in Romo's face. He knows this team is doomed without him. It's just so depressing to watch.

The guy has a great arm Weeden I mean that's great, but once again he took sacks by not being able to maneuver in the pocket. Just the basic fundamentals he doesn't possess. I think Jerry was being kind when he said he was limited. He's a liability and believe me I feel stupid for ever believing in this guy. We know with all these injuries it was on the coaching staff to put these players in a situation to succeed and they haven't done that.

They keep trying to run the ball despite teams stacking the line of scrimmage. They aren't getting anything from Randle and McFadden. Both go down so easily. No element of toughness. They're both hesitant. What does it hurt to go Michael at this point? Yeah he may not be better, but we don't know until we actually use him. What was the point of trading for him if we aren't gonna use him? The game was out of reach pretty much after the Patriots scored on their opening possession and we still stuck with Randle and McFadden.

Ultimately this goes on Jerry Jones. How can you continue to refuse to draft a quarterback? When was the last time? Stephen McGee. Absolutely inexcusable. Romo has sustained a significant injury now three straight years. As much as I love the guy he hasn't been able to play a full season since 2012. At some point you have to look towards the future and draft someone and try to develop into a future starter. Not only that is Brandon Weeden really the best we could do as a backup? No he wasn't.

Getting back to Murray I agreed with the decision to let him go, but right now it looks like one of the worst decisions in recent memory by this organization. This guy was so good not only last year, but his entire career in Dallas. He didn't even have a quality line until 2013. The only thing that stopped him from being an elite back was injuries and horrific play calling. He was never the quickest guy, but who cares? McFadden and Randle are a little more explosive and nowhere near the complete back Murray. DeMarco is excellent in pass protection, such a tough runner, you never saw him go down so easily, he gave us an identity, he inflicted punishment on anyone who tried to take him down, he was just so determined, got the dirty and tough yards that the current guys can't, and the fact that the Cowboys just let him go to a division rival because of the sheer arrogance that anyone could run behind this offensive line just really sickens me. People wonder why that offensive line has struggled well that's one reason. They miss DeMarco as much as he misses them.

I really think this franchise has gotten cheap and they've gotten so overly concerned with overpaying. There is a fine line. You can't just let everyone role player go. Justin Durant and Dwayne Harris. Two really big mistakes imo. Durant we've seen how he's played for Philly. A guy who played Lee's current position and was always the first to the football and a sure tackler. Is he as good? Hell no, but definitely a guy who can step right in if/when Sean goes down. Harris was a guy who gave us some depth at the reciever spot. Kind of a jack of all trades player. Dude ran solid routes, was really good when you got the ball in his hands, great on special teams, and another guy we just allowed to go to a division rival.

I just don't see a lot of reason for hope the rest of the way. You have to go win on the road against a hot Giants team. Yeah I don't think they're that good, but neither is this current team. They look as bad as any team in football right now. We're banking on Dez coming back and being Dez, but who's to say Linehan won't just continue to allow him to be a decoy like he did last year? That's just inexcusable when we've seen what so many other teams do with their #1 wideouts.

Randy Gregory should be back and him and Hardy will be scary. Along with Lawrence. Defensive line has the potential to be really good and pile up a lot of sacks, but we've seen how teams will counter that. How does Rod counter? Another guy who needs to be called out. There's been so many instances of mind boggling decisions. A few weeks ago dropping his least athletic defensive lineman in Jack Crawford into coverage who got burned for a big gain. Last week in New Orleans the defensive line got gassed in the second half and he left them out to dry by refusing to blitz. Pulled the same crap against Green Bay last year when Rodgers couldn't move at all. I mean you have a gimpy quarterback. Wanna make him more gimpy you hit the guy. When Atlanta moved Julio around he didn't adjust. Claiborne was the only one who showed the ability to contain the man all game and he just left him on the outside and let him destroy Patmon in the slot.

I just I really thought the Cowboys would be a legit Super Bowl threat. These injuries and these back to back to back losses have sucked all the excitement I once had out of me. This game today was one of the most brutal we've seen in a long time. Despite the defense getting off to a strong start you never really felt the Cowboys could threaten the Patriots. It was so tough to watch us struggle and getting three and out after three and out. This is not what anyone expected from the Dallas Cowboys. I hate to say it, but I think it's over. I hope they prove me wrong.

Take your loser, give up quitter mentality somewhere else then. Not needed or wanted here by those of us who don't give up.

 

[RunDMC]

Take your loser, give up quitter mentality somewhere else then. Not needed or wanted here by those of us who don't give up.

Relax. I'm not giving up. This post was made yesterday. Like a lot of people I was fuming and talking more out of emotion and not thinking objectively. The Cowboys are still in this thing if they make the change at quarterback.

 

[Rockport]

Relax. I'm not giving up. This post was made yesterday. Like a lot of people I was fuming and talking more out of emotion and not thinking objectively. The Cowboys are still in this thing if they make the change at quarterback.

I'm tired of posters making knee jerk reactions like this. I don't know about you but I saw a team yesterday who played their hearts out and if healthy could beat the best team in the NFL yet you look at the threads and you see nothing but this guy sucks , that guy sucks , the coaches suck, the whole organization sucks. It's the worst kind of fan.

 

[darthseinfeld]

There is no gray with emotional fans. Just black and white

 

[RunDMC]

I'm tired of posters making knee jerk reactions like this. I don't know about you but I saw a team yesterday who played their hearts out and if healthy could beat the best team in the NFL yet you look at the threads and you see nothing but this guy sucks , that guy sucks , the coaches suck, the whole organization sucks. It's the worst kind of fan.

For the most part I agree, but it was also a terrible game to watch from an offensive stand point. We just couldn't get anything going. We converted what three first downs in the first half? I mean Weeden was just brutal. Everything is so congested with him under center. Even when there were opportunities to make plays he didn't make them.

Seeing the impact Hardy made was eye opening. I'm pumped to see him and Gregory play together. Really that entire group can be special. These three games coming up aren't unbeatable. Really all three we can win with just average quarterback play.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

If we're at 2-7 or 2-8 then I say yes. We're not going undefeated when Romo comes back. Too many tough games.

 

[cajuncocoa]

In 2010 the Cowboys shut down Romo because of the fact that the team was out of the playoff race when he was healthy enough to play again. Should we do the same this year? Realistically with the way the Giants are playing does anyone really expect the Cowboys to still be alive when Romo can return against Miami? I just don't see it.

The team I saw in the second half looked just dead and lifeless and I can't blame them. This coaching staff and that scrub quarterback sucks the life out of the game. Running on every first down. Doing nothing to help your offensive line. To help your receivers. Teams run pick plays on us all game and we never run any. Same basic offense every single week.

Honestly if I'm Romo I may even consider retiring. What are the odds as much as we love and clearly miss the guy he can even make it through the season? As much as I dread seeing this team post Romo I can't help, but think realistically he missed his best shot at a Super Bowl last year after the excruciating loss against Green Bay. Really a shame. Witten too.

I just think it's too uphill of a battle. Defense is improved, but the safeties outside of Jones are still awful. Tackling was awful. No play makers in that secondary or ballhawks. There's no way you can win a game in New York on the road even with a switch at quarterback if we can't force Eli into picks. I've seen nothing to think that will change.

Plus we saw what New England did after the defensive line mauled their offensive line. Getting the ball out of Brady's hands and with the horrific coverage they have the ability to do that. It's sad that our best cover corner in this game was Corey White. Tackling was pathetic. Safeties continue to take awful angles.

I do think Matt Cassel can give the Cowboys a spark, but will it be enough? Getting Dez back for the game in New York would be huge because he'll take a few defenders away from that box. The problem is we still have two huge liabilities on the offensive line right now. Two players who have been good players for us, but it looks like age, atricion, and a degenerative knee condition have taken it's toll for Ronald Leary and Doug Free. Free is so key on those backside blocks in this scheme and he's just unable to get there. These scrub backs can't make that guy miss.

It's clear letting DeMarco Murray walk was a horrible decision. Perfect fit for this scheme. Even when there were unblocked defenders he wasn't hesitant. He'd put his head down and run over and through people and that's missing right. Leary is getting pushed back time after time. Free has never been a power guy. His strength has been mobility, footwork, fleet footness and whether he's just old or his ankles or whatever it is that's no longer there.

Then you talk about the coaching staff. I've defended them in the past and I just can't do it. I already alluded to the horrific schemes, but with how God awful Weeden was in that first half. This offense desperately needed a spark and we could've went with Cassel and they stuck with Weeden. Why? You could even see it in Romo's face. He knows this team is doomed without him. It's just so depressing to watch.

The guy has a great arm Weeden I mean that's great, but once again he took sacks by not being able to maneuver in the pocket. Just the basic fundamentals he doesn't possess. I think Jerry was being kind when he said he was limited. He's a liability and believe me I feel stupid for ever believing in this guy. We know with all these injuries it was on the coaching staff to put these players in a situation to succeed and they haven't done that.

They keep trying to run the ball despite teams stacking the line of scrimmage. They aren't getting anything from Randle and McFadden. Both go down so easily. No element of toughness. They're both hesitant. What does it hurt to go Michael at this point? Yeah he may not be better, but we don't know until we actually use him. What was the point of trading for him if we aren't gonna use him? The game was out of reach pretty much after the Patriots scored on their opening possession and we still stuck with Randle and McFadden.

Ultimately this goes on Jerry Jones. How can you continue to refuse to draft a quarterback? When was the last time? Stephen McGee. Absolutely inexcusable. Romo has sustained a significant injury now three straight years. As much as I love the guy he hasn't been able to play a full season since 2012. At some point you have to look towards the future and draft someone and try to develop into a future starter. Not only that is Brandon Weeden really the best we could do as a backup? No he wasn't.

Getting back to Murray I agreed with the decision to let him go, but right now it looks like one of the worst decisions in recent memory by this organization. This guy was so good not only last year, but his entire career in Dallas. He didn't even have a quality line until 2013. The only thing that stopped him from being an elite back was injuries and horrific play calling. He was never the quickest guy, but who cares? McFadden and Randle are a little more explosive and nowhere near the complete back Murray. DeMarco is excellent in pass protection, such a tough runner, you never saw him go down so easily, he gave us an identity, he inflicted punishment on anyone who tried to take him down, he was just so determined, got the dirty and tough yards that the current guys can't, and the fact that the Cowboys just let him go to a division rival because of the sheer arrogance that anyone could run behind this offensive line just really sickens me. People wonder why that offensive line has struggled well that's one reason. They miss DeMarco as much as he misses them.

I really think this franchise has gotten cheap and they've gotten so overly concerned with overpaying. There is a fine line. You can't just let everyone role player go. Justin Durant and Dwayne Harris. Two really big mistakes imo. Durant we've seen how he's played for Philly. A guy who played Lee's current position and was always the first to the football and a sure tackler. Is he as good? Hell no, but definitely a guy who can step right in if/when Sean goes down. Harris was a guy who gave us some depth at the reciever spot. Kind of a jack of all trades player. Dude ran solid routes, was really good when you got the ball in his hands, great on special teams, and another guy we just allowed to go to a division rival.

I just don't see a lot of reason for hope the rest of the way. You have to go win on the road against a hot Giants team. Yeah I don't think they're that good, but neither is this current team. They look as bad as any team in football right now. We're banking on Dez coming back and being Dez, but who's to say Linehan won't just continue to allow him to be a decoy like he did last year? That's just inexcusable when we've seen what so many other teams do with their #1 wideouts.

Randy Gregory should be back and him and Hardy will be scary. Along with Lawrence. Defensive line has the potential to be really good and pile up a lot of sacks, but we've seen how teams will counter that. How does Rod counter? Another guy who needs to be called out. There's been so many instances of mind boggling decisions. A few weeks ago dropping his least athletic defensive lineman in Jack Crawford into coverage who got burned for a big gain. Last week in New Orleans the defensive line got gassed in the second half and he left them out to dry by refusing to blitz. Pulled the same crap against Green Bay last year when Rodgers couldn't move at all. I mean you have a gimpy quarterback. Wanna make him more gimpy you hit the guy. When Atlanta moved Julio around he didn't adjust. Claiborne was the only one who showed the ability to contain the man all game and he just left him on the outside and let him destroy Patmon in the slot.

I just I really thought the Cowboys would be a legit Super Bowl threat. These injuries and these back to back to back losses have sucked all the excitement I once had out of me. This game today was one of the most brutal we've seen in a long time. Despite the defense getting off to a strong start you never really felt the Cowboys could threaten the Patriots. It was so tough to watch us struggle and getting three and out after three and out. This is not what anyone expected from the Dallas Cowboys. I hate to say it, but I think it's over. I hope they prove me wrong.

I had the thought it was over in 2012. Last year surprised me pleasantly only to kill me at the end. You might be right. I don't want to think of them without Romo either.

 

[ConstantReboot]

It's not great but it's not pathetic. Especially when you consider how inconsistent the OL has been so far.

Why is it ALL the oline's fault? Everyone here was on board in letting Murray go because just about anyone can run behind this oline. Now were seeing the product of a mediocre running back doing mediocre things.

Randle doesn't fit this oline. He is nothing more than a change of pace back. When Murray ran the ball he would get 3-6 yards more after every hit. As with Randle he goes back 1 yard after every hit and can't break a tackle if his life depended on it. Thus I don't blame the oline. The oline is still the same as last year. Instead they are having to keep up their blocks more because Randle dances too much and doesn't hit the hole as hard.

Sure 4.1 may not be pathetic to most. But that is unacceptable. Our running attack is just ineffective with Randle and we need a change to another back that can at least break tackles.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Why is it ALL the oline's fault? Everyone here was on board in letting Murray go because just about anyone can run behind this oline. .

I didn't say it's all the OL's fault.

Everyone here was on board with letting Murray go because he wanted to much money and wasn't worth it.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I didn't say it's all the OL's fault.

Everyone here was on board with letting Murray go because he wanted to much money and wasn't worth it.

Most here are saying its the oline's fault. Thus I'm apt think everyone is blaming the oline.

I was ok in letting Murray go too. Frankly, its his fault for going to the Eagles and they are only paying 2 million more per. year. I would would have stayed in Dallas and still get paid decent money.

However, when we let Murray go we needed to find a capable replacement. Randle is not a capable replacement. Thus were seeing an ineffective run game.

 

[DallasEast]

It's never over until a team has been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Passengers can decide to jump out the plane without a parachute but turbulence subsides once the pilot gains more altitude. Of course I wouldn't be overly disappointed if the co-pilot took over after the pilot threw himself five yards outside the plane and got sucked into an engine in the case.

 

[CowboyRoy]

sheeet i knew it was over after we loss to the saints. that was our only hope of a win with mr checkdown weeden over center.

Cmon, this season was over the moment Romo went down.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Exactly. What makes it so frustrating is we all know what these other bums are and that's what they're is bums. What have Randle and McFadden done to warrant so much trust by the coaches? Not a damn thing. Randle stood up them last week and they still put him back in there. McFadden was supposed to be explosive and a good blitz pickup guy and he's neither.

Jason Garrett is a fool.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If they switch to Cassell in the bye week I'll say I don't think it's over yet.

I have faith that Cassell can do enough with this offense to win against the Giants, Philly, and the Bucs. If he comes in and gives us 3 out of those 4 games like that then we'll be good. That's 5-4 when Romo comes back and that's more than enough for Romo to do his thing, get us in the playoffs, and then see where it goes from there.

This team just has to move away from Weeden if we're going to have any shot.

And why would you have ANY faith in Cassell? Are you joking? Hopeful maybe, but Cassell has done nothing in the NFL to warrent your faith. Unless you mean blind faith. Which I would caution. Homers were drumming that same drum about Weeden.

 

[Stash]

I'm tired of posters making knee jerk reactions like this. I don't know about you but I saw a team yesterday who played their hearts out and if healthy could beat the best team in the NFL yet you look at the threads and you see nothing but this guy sucks , that guy sucks , the coaches suck, the whole organization sucks. It's the worst kind of fan.

I'm equally tired of posters who think it's a fan's obligation to be blind to the truth.

But instead to make ridiculous claims about how "the Cowboys are going to shock the world and beat the Patriots!" And then go into hiding when they're proven to not know what they're talking about.

This team is 0-3 in a three game tailspin with the offense looking worse each week. I don't blame anyone for being critical or upset.

 

[Rockport]

I'm equally tired of posters who think it's a fan's obligation to be blind to the truth.

But instead to make ridiculous claims about how "the Cowboys are going to shock the world and beat the Patriots!" And then go into hiding when they're proven to not know what they're talking about.

This team is 0-3 in a three game tailspin with the offense looking worse each week. I don't blame anyone for being critical or upset.

I never said any of that.

 

[Stash]

I never said any of that.

I didn't say it was you specifically. I was just providing a counter point to your statement.