It's the VIRUS, not the symptoms...

[lewpac]

When you get the common cold, you see the symptoms but not the virus. You see the runny nose, the sneezing, the puffy eyes, the fever. You can address these symptoms, but the VIRUS remains................

In predictable fashion in keeping with the model, Jerry Jones thinks that by addressing the symptoms, that the true virus will go away.

Silly "band-aid" moves like releasing T.O. and Roy Williams, picking up Kitna, firing a couple assistant coaches, building a new stadium, etc..........Just tinkering with the chess pieces. Jones is trying to fool all of us and keep the lemming/masses in line and "on board".

The true virus/problems are still in place......................Jones is still the "all mighty" ruler of this kingdom, and the coaching staff is lame, predictable, uninspiring and content with "good enough".

A fish rots from the head down. A tree dies from the top down. Fool around all you want Jerry with the mix'n'matching every season with the Tank Johnson's, Pacman Jones's, T.O.'s, Zach Thomas's and Roy Williams's of the world. Build new stadiums. Change summer camp venue's. Go on HBO. Pick "cool" uniforms for Thanksgiving games. Keep trying all these gadgets and doo-hickies and thing-a-mabob play things.

But things in Dallas won't change until this owner "gets it", hires REAL football men to run and coach this franchise, and gets out of the way of success...........................

T.O. or no T.O..........................

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Now all of a sudden the T.O. supporters want to blame Jerry for everything.

 

[Manster54]

:violin:

 

[lewpac]

Now all of a sudden the T.O. supporters want to blame Jerry for everything.

Ah.......................who do YOU blame? Gurode? Bobby Carpenter?

Unless of course you are under the dream-world impression that "all is well"?

 

[Clove]

Now all of a sudden the T.O. supporters want to blame Jerry for everything.

Who do you blame before TO was here?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I don't want to blame Jerry for everything and I don't consider the Kitna trade a poor move or a 'band aid' move. We need a backup QB and while we had *better* draft a QB as well, I wouldn't want to start some 4th round rookie QB if Romo gets hurt. Kitna can still play and has no qualms about being a backup since he's done it before. He's also generally got a great attitude. Yeah, he said the Lions are going to go to the playoffs, what do you want him to say? We're going to go 7-9?

All that being said, I think this is a horrible move. Owens didn't make Tony Romo fumble the ball or throw into triple coverage. He didn't make for Garrett's mundane and puzzling play calling. He didn't cause Garrett to forget about running the ball. He didn't make Procter a crappy blocker.

And the sad thing is that Roy E. Williams is a bigger headache and has yet to produce anywhere to the amount Owens has in his career. And Patrick Crayton has shot off him mouth more than Owens has in the past 2 years.

Yet, Owens is the guy getting cut.

I hope and pray that I'm proven wrong, but I really think we're going to look back and really regret that we cut Owens and tried to replace him with Roy Williams and spent a 1st and 3rd rounder to boot.

Ugh.




YAKUZA

 

[dcfanatic]

Now all of a sudden the T.O. supporters want to blame Jerry for everything.

Exactly.

They are all looking for something else to point out that was also a problem.

They are completely discombobulated.

And it's too funny.

 

[AKATheRake]

Exactly.

They are all looking for something else to point out that was also a problem.

They are completely discombobulated.

And it's too funny.

We were not going to win anything meaningful with T.O because we can't play as a team with T.O. But the OP is right about the coaching also. About real football people making the real football decisions on behalf of this organization.

Are you saying that T.O was the only problem with this team and now that T.O is gone the problems are fixed? Because you laugh at this post like the OP is totally out to lunch and only wants to bash Jerry because he's in love with T.O according to your comments. The coaching is flawed and quite frankly so is the decision making structure of this team.

 

[Established1971]

When you get the common cold, you see the symptoms but not the virus. You see the runny nose, the sneezing, the puffy eyes, the fever. You can address these symptoms, but the VIRUS remains................

In predictable fashion in keeping with the model, Jerry Jones thinks that by addressing the symptoms, that the true virus will go away.

Silly "band-aid" moves like releasing T.O. and Roy Williams, picking up Kitna, firing a couple assistant coaches, building a new stadium, etc..........Just tinkering with the chess pieces. Jones is trying to fool all of us and keep the lemming/masses in line and "on board".

The true virus/problems are still in place......................Jones is still the "all mighty" ruler of this kingdom, and the coaching staff is lame, predictable, uninspiring and content with "good enough".

A fish rots from the head down. A tree dies from the top down. Fool around all you want Jerry with the mix'n'matching every season with the Tank Johnson's, Pacman Jones's, T.O.'s, Zach Thomas's and Roy Williams's of the world. Build new stadiums. Change summer camp venue's. Go on HBO. Pick "cool" uniforms for Thanksgiving games. Keep trying all these gadgets and doo-hickies and thing-a-mabob play things.

But things in Dallas won't change until this owner "gets it", hires REAL football men to run and coach this franchise, and gets out of the way of success...........................

T.O. or no T.O..........................

thanks for the lesson

 

[Ren]

Exactly.

They are all looking for something else to point out that was also a problem.

They are completely discombobulated.

And it's too funny.

you would never blame Jerry for anything right? you've never done that :laugh2:

 

[AKATheRake]

I don't want to blame Jerry for everything and I don't consider the Kitna trade a poor move or a 'band aid' move. We need a backup QB and while we had *better* draft a QB as well, I wouldn't want to start some 4th round rookie QB if Romo gets hurt. Kitna can still play and has no qualms about being a backup since he's done it before. He's also generally got a great attitude. Yeah, he said the Lions are going to go to the playoffs, what do you want him to say? We're going to go 7-9?

All that being said, I think this is a horrible move. Owens didn't make Tony Romo fumble the ball or throw into triple coverage. He didn't make for Garrett's mundane and puzzling play calling. He didn't cause Garrett to forget about running the ball. He didn't make Procter a crappy blocker.

And the sad thing is that Roy E. Williams is a bigger headache and has yet to produce anywhere to the amount Owens has in his career. And Patrick Crayton has shot off him mouth more than Owens has in the past 2 years.

Yet, Owens is the guy getting cut.

I hope and pray that I'm proven wrong, but I really think we're going to look back and really regret that we cut Owens and tried to replace him with Roy Williams and spent a 1st and 3rd rounder to boot.

Ugh.




YAKUZA

This does need to be Tony Romo's team, not Terrell Owen's team. If you look at the last 3 seasons there was no clear cut 1 overall player in that locker room that all the players saw as the over riding leader of the team.

I believe Romo is understanding he has the leadership qualities and enough skins on the wall to be the overall leader. With Terrell here it would never happen. There would never be 1 overall team leader.

That's why T.O being released makes sense to me. Every other way it doesn't. That's what Jerry means when he says "as Romo friendly as possible". Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger are the clear cut overall leaders on their teams.

Eli is supposed to be for the Giants and is considered their leader, eventhough that's debateable. They are all the last 4 winning SB teams and they all have the QB as their overall leader.

This is what all of this is about. Greg Ellis will probably be next to go for cap reasons and he is of 2 old paradox's that didn't have Tony Romo leading but bought into T.O co-leadership.

Roy the WR will be talking much more like he did when he first got here now.

 

[lewpac]

We were not going to win anything meaningful with T.O because we can't play as a team with T.O. But the OP is right about the coaching also. About real football people making the real football decisions on behalf of this organization.

Are you saying that T.O was the only problem with this team and now that T.O is gone the problems are fixed? Because you laugh at this post like the OP is totally out to lunch and only wants to bash Jerry because he's in love with T.O according to your comments. The coaching is flawed and quite frankly so is the decision making structure of this team.

Thank You...............................

Blaming T.O. is, has been, and always WILL be the default position of anyone who wants to appear "in the know" about ANY problem that ANY team Owens plays on has.

If you "blame T.O.", you're not gonna' get challenged, accused of any bias, or harassed much, because it's the easy fall-back opinion of any unthinking person. Just "blame T.O.", and you're in lemming majority.

They got away with it in San Fran and Philly, and with semi-justifiable reason. But IN DALLAS, T.O. is/was, on the list of the five biggest problems, maybe 9th on the list. Even if HE WAS "the big problem" (which he was not), Jerry Jones was the final arbitor in bringing him on board in the first place. Just another "Jerry Jones big-splash, instant-fix, magic-pill, bada-bing-bada-boom decision that went up in flames...........AGAIN!!

The pattern and stale B-movie since the early 90's hey-day is undeniable, predictable, and a classic case of "those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it".

A few weeks back, an OP started a thread about "predicting next years record". I said 8-8, and the downward spiral has begun. In this day and age of free-agency, salary caps, and other "parity" measures, you only get a small window to get it done. The last two years, the "13-3 Home Field" debacle, and last year (when most predicted a SB Trophy)...............I'm afraid that THAT was IT!!!

As long as the Phillips/Garrett debacle remains, and Jerry is the almighty Owner/GM, this thing is gonna' stay stuck in 2nd gear....................

How many more years do you need to "wait and see" until you just admit it???????

Either way, the "virus" exist still.

 

[Hoofbite]

Who do you blame before TO was here?

One thing I don't understand is people who bash Jerry like Jerry isn't trying to win.

It would be one thing to see him refuse to acquire talent, refuse to surround himself with a solid cast, and flat out refuse to try to win.

Jerry wants to win as much as anybody. Hate or not, to say Jerry isn't as diehard as many of us is just denial. The guy wants to win.

And think about when he loses. He gets to go home and watch dollar signs disappear.

Jerry deserves his share of blame. I think Jerry was one of the biggest fools up until he hired Parcells. I believe Jerry was humbled by the garbage before Bill. Since Jerry hired Bill, he has brought in player after player, most of them being guys that were consensus players.

TO, Marco Rivera (even though he flopped), Leonard Davis, Keyshawn Johnson, Fergy.

He's doing what he can to try and make things works. Fault him for being out of his league but do not fault his intent, effort or desire. He wants it as much as anyone.

At some point, its just time to concede that a move isn't working out. TO was supposed to be the final Superbowl piece and Dallas didn't even get a playoff win out of it.

There comes a time when you just gotta look another direction.

 

[Ren]

And in 1 day all the Jerry hate when away and everything he's done has been great, half the people taking part in this Jerry ******* where bashing him just a day ago :laugh2:

being a cowboys fan never gets boring

 

[AKATheRake]

you would never blame Jerry for anything right? you've never done that :laugh2:

Yah no kidding. DC is so pro Wade Phillips also and thinks Jerry is the GM we've always needed too. Funny thing is, he knows T.O isn't the only problem this team has and has many of times declared that. But he makes a post like the one above.

I wonder if someone has taken over DC's account or something because he hasn't sounded like himself lately. 1 of the best guys this board had to offer too. I should make a self assuming aggressive statement like DC and Yoshimitsu. DC doesn't like others putting up threads and since a bunch of his recent ones have come under some nasty scrutiny he has to bash others.

You guys like self assuming aggressive statements about your threads agendas, there's one? True or not, there's one for you since you're entitled to do it. The OP has things I agree with and don't but it's clear he's not saying this just because he's a T.O groupy, many share some of his opinions.

 

[lewpac]

I'm a "groupy" of anyone who plays on this team. Since I have no say in who Jerry "brings to the prom", that's our lot in life.

T.O. is/was the BIGGEST case-in-point I've ever had to deal with in my 44 years of being a Cowboy fan.

No one, and I mean NO ONE would actually WANT him on their team after the Niner and Eagle tap-dances. But, as I said, I have no say. All you can do is bend over, swallow hard, and say "Oh well......................GO T.O.!!!!"

But this T.O. thing was also the "final straw" for me. I've had Jerry's back for 15 years now. I'd defend him and praise him and hold forth that "anyone would want him as an owner" in any debate over the years.

But after these last two seasons, along with this T.O. experiment, even I have to admit what others have been saying all along....................

"Your owner is an ego maniac, a meddling fool, a pariah to his team, and part of the problem".

 

[AKATheRake]

Thank You...............................

Blaming T.O. is, has been, and always WILL be the default position of anyone who wants to appear "in the know" about ANY problem that ANY team Owens plays on has.

If you "blame T.O.", you're not gonna' get challenged, accused of any bias, or harassed much, because it's the easy fall-back opinion of any unthinking person. Just "blame T.O.", and you're in lemming majority.

They got away with it in San Fran and Philly, and with semi-justifiable reason. But IN DALLAS, T.O. is/was, on the list of the five biggest problems, maybe 9th on the list. Even if HE WAS "the big problem" (which he was not), Jerry Jones was the final arbitor in bringing him on board in the first place. Just another "Jerry Jones big-splash, instant-fix, magic-pill, bada-bing-bada-boom decision that went up in flames...........AGAIN!!

The pattern and stale B-movie since the early 90's hey-day is undeniable, predictable, and a classic case of "those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it".

A few weeks back, an OP started a thread about "predicting next years record". I said 8-8, and the downward spiral has begun. In this day and age of free-agency, salary caps, and other "parity" measures, you only get a small window to get it done. The last two years, the "13-3 Home Field" debacle, and last year (when most predicted a SB Trophy)...............I'm afraid that THAT was IT!!!

As long as the Phillips/Garrett debacle remains, and Jerry is the almighty Owner/GM, this thing is gonna' stay stuck in 2nd gear....................

How many more years do you need to "wait and see" until you just admit it???????

Either way, the "virus" exist still.

No problem. My stance is this, Jerry is the overall ruler of this kingdom as you said. He does terrific things as an owner, marketer and profiteering visionary for this team. Jerry's passion to win and deliver results is not questioned by me. His track record as a GM is near the bottom of the league since Jimmy got the boot. As the owner, who is clearly visible and is as easily accessable as he is, he is always going to take brunt when things aren't going smooth.

Now he is listening to someone, it sounds like it is Stephen Jones, his personnel and scouting department, the coaching staff and QB (new player leader). So he is obviously listening, considering and accepting other "influencial" decisions. If you're not going to get a proven GM to do the job and instead do it yourself, you better at least listen to trusted sources and empower your coaching staff to administer to the players. Looks like he's doing that this season where he was only doing the listening and not empowering management/coaching to address the players but actually empower the players more so than their coaches. So he's fixing that.

Next year the coaching will be changed also with a good young but yet experienced player foundation in place with room to add ingredients and mold a philosophy for the new coaching staff. There may or may not be a cap but we'll be organized in that regard either way and therefore will be in a position to make any necessary moves for the new coach. Our QB is now the clear cut leader of this team and other than Ellis not too many malcontents remain. Just some young underachievers.

So Jerry is looking like he is getting it. I for one am impartial on what just happened with T.O, very surprised because his talent is an asset and I don't think he killed the locker room, but it's never going to be Romo's team if T.O is here. If you look at the trends of the last SB winners, the team has to be led by a superior coaching staff, the QB has to be the overall player leader, solid team work and depth, an offensive and/or defensive identity and a difference making player or 2. Its a lot but that's what it takes and Jerry looks to be working on all of that other than coaching this offseason. It's taken some time but Jerry may be getting it, or someone he is listening to is giving it to him. That's not a bad sign at all. But I totally get were you were going with your original post and a good portion of it makes sense. You're not saying Jerry is the only problem, he is one of them, but he is the 1 person who has the power to fix the problems and does things that doesn't allow that to happen and that's the virus. That's my interpretation.

 

[AKATheRake]

I'm a "groupy" of anyone who plays on this team. Since I have no say in who Jerry "brings to the prom", that's our lot in life.

T.O. is/was the BIGGEST case-in-point I've ever had to deal with in my 44 years of being a Cowboy fan.

No one, and I mean NO ONE would actually WANT him on their team after the Niner and Eagle tap-dances. But, as I said, I have no say. All you can do is bend over, swallow hard, and say "Oh well......................GO T.O.!!!!"

But this T.O. thing was also the "final straw" for me. I've had Jerry's back for 15 years now. I'd defend him and praise him and hold forth that "anyone would want him as an owner" in any debate over the years.

But after these last two seasons, along with this T.O. experiment, even I have to admit what others have been saying all along....................

"Your owner is an ego maniac, a meddling fool, a pariah to his team, and part of the problem".

I find you to be very logical, aware of the perceptions out there and understanding of the big picture. It's obvious you know there will always be something and there is no perfect team but it is necessary to address and improve weakness' and the teams that are best at that are the ones with the championships.

To be successful in anything in life this is required, just not football and I know I don't have to tell you this, but others are reading. Regardless you are a passionate fan of this team and think extremely objectively as opposed to thinking biased. You pay a price for that when discussing with other fans but a huge reward comes in the end. Thanks for the insight and objective information.

 

[lewpac]

I find you to be very logical, aware of the perceptions out there and understanding of the big picture. It's obvious you know there will always be something and there is no perfect team but it is necessary to address and improve weakness' and the teams that are best at that are the ones with the championships.

To be successful in anything in life this is required, just not football and I know I don't have to tell you this, but others are reading. Regardless you are a passionate fan of this team and think extremely objectively as opposed to thinking biased. You pay a price for that when discussing with other fans but a huge reward comes in the end. Thanks for the insight and objective information.

You're comments are flattering, but I can't help but to think that I'm not alone in my opinion.

It's gotten to the place, after last season, that the inevitable "WHATEVER, it IS what it IS" mind-set has prevailed. I mean, honestly, when I woke up this morning (Hawaii time) and checked the internet news, I wasn't AT ALL floored, shocked or bent-sideways over this news. It was like reading the local weather report. THAT'S how chronic and benign this "Bronx Zoo" has become IMO..................

I'm fully aware of the many folks out there who, if you don't just Rah-Rah and salivate over "anything Dallas Cowboy", then the obligatory and boring "you're not a REAL fan" scarlet letter gets assigned to you. That's fine. But I know that I've been a fan since 1964 when I was four years old. I remember when the Cowboys were "the team that couldn't win the big one". I got a tattoo of The Star on my left leg. I'm a lifer.

I'm also the second son in my family. And when my dear 'ole dad got Alzheimers, I didn't bury my head in the sand and holler "ALL IS WELL, ALL IS WELL"!! At some point, you just gotta' face facts and concede the point. Like the drinker who FIRST has to admit he's got an alcohol problem before deliverance begins, I'm of a mind, FINALLY, that the bulk and bigger-part of the problem in Dallas is NOT the talent on the field.

Whoever Dallas brings in this year, or in the near future................I don't care if we get Peyton Manning, Ray Lewis, Champ Bailey, Albert Hainsworth, or the latest Heisman Trophy winner...................I've had a gut-full of falling for the latest "player de jour" that's going to "take us over the top".

We've had the most talent we're gonna' have for a looooong time this last year, and WE REGRESSED!!!!!!!!!!! Nah. I'm over it already. No new player, no new stadium, no deal with Coke or Burger King is gonna matter to me until the VIRUS is detected and the correct anti-biotics are prescribed.

And it's both pissing me off and breaking my heart..................

 

[LandryFan]

One thing I don't understand is people who bash Jerry like Jerry isn't trying to win.

It would be one thing to see him refuse to acquire talent, refuse to surround himself with a solid cast, and flat out refuse to try to win.

Jerry wants to win as much as anybody. Hate or not, to say Jerry isn't as diehard as many of us is just denial. The guy wants to win.

And think about when he loses. He gets to go home and watch dollar signs disappear.

Jerry deserves his share of blame. I think Jerry was one of the biggest fools up until he hired Parcells. I believe Jerry was humbled by the garbage before Bill. Since Jerry hired Bill, he has brought in player after player, most of them being guys that were consensus players.

TO, Marco Rivera (even though he flopped), Leonard Davis, Keyshawn Johnson, Fergy.

He's doing what he can to try and make things works. Fault him for being out of his league but do not fault his intent, effort or desire. He wants it as much as anyone.

At some point, its just time to concede that a move isn't working out. TO was supposed to be the final Superbowl piece and Dallas didn't even get a playoff win out of it.

There comes a time when you just gotta look another direction.

That right there pretty much sums it all up!