I've become such a cynical Cowboys fan

[jday]

Oh, absolutely. I don't expect to win it all that often. However, what I do expect is a GM who doesn't have to go through a very slow process of learning things that most of us knew years ago. OL, DL, injured players, lateral agility, burst, burst out of the breaks, sand in his pants, core strength, processing speed, instincts. I'm not sure we're even aware of such basic terms.

I'd be willing to bet that Jerry Jones knows more about football at this point than 90% of us fans. The problem is not his lack of football knowledge or understanding these terms. The problem has always been since the beginning who he has ultimately decided to listen to.

Fortunately, now we have Will McClay and considering the success of the last several drafts this constant crying and moaning about Jerry is honestly beginning to get a bit tired. I'm not saying the complaints are always inaccurate, but what purpose does it serve...unless you just really enjoy complaining....

At this point, we should all be thankful he has finally relinquished control to Stephen and McClay and just get the heck over the last 2 decades. I mean, you don't have to, but what's the point of constantly rehashing what we already know? Jerry was a terrible GM for the first quarter century of owning this team; outside of perhaps member's of the Jones family, I don't see anyone disputing that. It's a dead horse that people are still kicking, like it's going to change something.

 

[CowboyRoy]

........feels like Groundhogs Day, the same gyrations year after year. I hate it!

Am I in a fog, am I missing us getting closer?

Nope you are right on the money. We are not getting any closer. Probably the opposite.

 

[Melonfeud]

I'd be willing to bet that Jerry Jones knows more about football at this point than 90% of us fans. The problem is not his lack of football knowledge or understanding these terms. The problem has always been since the beginning who he has ultimately decided to listen to.

Fortunately, now we have Will McClay and considering the success of the last several drafts this constant crying and moaning about Jerry is honestly beginning to get a bit tired. I'm not saying the complaints are always inaccurate, but what purpose does it serve...unless you just really enjoy complaining....

At this point, we should all be thankful he has finally relinquished control to Stephen and McClay and just get the heck over the last 2 decades. I mean, you don't have to, but what's the point of constantly rehashing what we already know? Jerry was a terrible GM for the first quarter century of owning this team; outside of perhaps member's of the Jones family, I don't see anyone disputing that. It's a dead horse that people are still kicking, like it's going to change something.

I'll be honest @jday ,I've always admired that Man!,,,although there was a couple three months span just last fall ,after I *regrettably * watched his YouTube "FOOTBALL LIFE" ,,,as it stove a hole beneath my waterline after having to digest all that excessive self aggrandizement, yet, the steady& able bodied seaman that resides within me,,, of qualified bona -fides& securely focused,,, I'd managed thru miraculous fortitude & the smiles of Neptune,,, to make beach upon an uncharted tropical island and make repairs,,,,

 

[LittleD]

I'll regain my optimism when this nightmare is over.

Well, I suggest you might consider taking a long, overdue vacation and come back in 20 years or so. Jerry will likely
be gone and programmed robots might be playing the game instead of humans.

 

[CouchCoach]

Hope springs eternal and it is a new season every season.

What I don't get is the misery forward at this point in the season. Want to be negative or positive, I can make a case for either, just depends on what you want. But history has little to do with today's NFL.

Want proof? Look at the division winners in the NFC over the last 3 seasons and the last repeat winner in the East was 13 years ago. And in that span, the Cowboys have won 4, same as the Eagles, 1 more than the Giants and 2 more than the Skins. That ain't nuthin' in my book.

I get that the lack of playoff success has some down on the team but who owes you anything? Think because this franchise established themselves as one of the premier in all sports decades ago means anything today?

As fans, we can believe whatever we want but to be all down on the team before they even play a game in a league filled with disappointment and surprise every season is just satisfying the need to be unhappy, Or sewing the seeds of negative before the season begins enables some to play the crop of 'told ya so" later? Or galvanizing oneself against disappointment with lowered expectations thinking that really works?

But let me share with you my thoughts with you on this. This a game, a sport, and one that I've loved for many years. It has served as an escape from the real world and folks, that real world has never looked as bad as it does right now so I will be damned if I am going to make myself unhappy projecting failure forward when I don't even know the final makeup of the team. If I am positive and it goes south, what have I lost? If I am negative and it turns out so, what have I gained? If I am negative and it turns out positive, what have I lost? I choose some positivity right now because I do not know what will happen once fall gets here but at least I will not have wasted time and invited negative energy onto myself.

Don't misread this into criticism of posters in a negative mood about this season, you have that right and whether you are negative or positive, we are all correct right now. But if I felt as down as some I am reading here, I would have already been gone.

 

[jday]

I'll be honest @jday ,I've always admired that Man!,,,although there was a couple three months span just last fall ,after I *regrettably * watched his YouTube "FOOTBALL LIFE" ,,,as it stove a hole beneath my waterline after having to digest all that excessive self aggrandizement, yet, the steady& able bodied seaman that resides within me,,, of qualified bona -fides& securely focused,,, I'd managed thru miraculous fortitude & the smiles of Neptune,,, to make beach upon an uncharted tropical island and make repairs,,,,

I'm a saleman by trade...so is Jerry.

Based on that, here's a little conjecture:

If there is anything I know to be true of all salesmen is that they themselves love to be sold on something. We respect and honor the craft, and when someone wields tools we ourselves use to convince us of something, we freaking love it...can't get enough of it. That, I believe, to be our salesmen-specific human nature.

So, from the above you could guess that Jerry too likes to be sold on stuff. And when someone employs enthusiasm and ardent belief in whatever their product is (such as, let's go get Bobby Carpernter...I know his father...it'll be a great story..which by the way is something else Jerry loves - a great story to adorn his franchise with) Jerry laps it up like mothers milk. That I believe to be the story of the first twenty or so years of this franchise...someone would sell him on something and being the "final word" he would buy into it and set the franchise back with stupid decisions.

Here lately we have less to worry about in that regard because he has narrowed his listening circle to Stephen and McClay. And I think that has made all the difference in the world. And make no mistake, I suspect that Garrett will be following Dez out the door if he doesn't do something spectacular in 2018. And his little dog Linehan, too!

 

[Diehardblues]

I'd be willing to bet that Jerry Jones knows more about football at this point than 90% of us fans. The problem is not his lack of football knowledge or understanding these terms. The problem has always been since the beginning who he has ultimately decided to listen to.

Fortunately, now we have Will McClay and considering the success of the last several drafts this constant crying and moaning about Jerry is honestly beginning to get a bit tired. I'm not saying the complaints are always inaccurate, but what purpose does it serve...unless you just really enjoy complaining....

At this point, we should all be thankful he has finally relinquished control to Stephen and McClay and just get the heck over the last 2 decades. I mean, you don't have to, but what's the point of constantly rehashing what we already know? Jerry was a terrible GM for the first quarter century of owning this team; outside of perhaps member's of the Jones family, I don't see anyone disputing that. It's a dead horse that people are still kicking, like it's going to change something.

So, you believe it was Stephens final decision on Hardy and risk in draft like Gregory and Jaylon?

Until Jerry officially relinquishes control he’s going to recieve the brunt of the criticism while enjoying the success. It goes both ways.

At least I’d agree that the better decisions being made is from greater influence Jerry’s recieving which has always been the case. But I seriously doubt the bigger decisions are being made without Jerry’s blessing.

 

[Diehardblues]

I'm a saleman by trade...so is Jerry.

Based on that, here's a little conjecture:

If there is anything I know to be true of all salesmen is that they themselves love to be sold on something. We respect and honor the craft, and when someone wields tools we ourselves use to convince us of something, we freaking love it...can't get enough of it. That, I believe, to be our salesmen-specific human nature.

So, from the above you could guess that Jerry too likes to be sold on stuff. And when someone employs enthusiasm and ardent belief in whatever their product is (such as, let's go get Bobby Carpernter...I know his father...it'll be a great story..which by the way is something else Jerry loves - a great story to adorn his franchise with) Jerry laps it up like mothers milk. That I believe to be the story of the first twenty or so years of this franchise...someone would sell him on something and being the "final word" he would buy into it and set the franchise back with stupid decisions.

Here lately we have less to worry about in that regard because he has narrowed his listening circle to Stephen and McClay. And I think that has made all the difference in the world. And make no mistake, I suspect that Garrett will be following Dez out the door if he doesn't do something spectacular in 2018. And his little dog Linehan, too!

I defintely agree Jerry is a master promoter. And I’ve always said wearing both hats as owner and GM is a conflict of interest.

The owner must remain relentlessly optimistic promoting and selling his product while a GM must plan for worse case scenarios being held accountable.

And I believe Garrett is part of that influence.

 

[Diehardblues]

Hope springs eternal and it is a new season every season.

What I don't get is the misery forward at this point in the season. Want to be negative or positive, I can make a case for either, just depends on what you want. But history has little to do with today's NFL.

Want proof? Look at the division winners in the NFC over the last 3 seasons and the last repeat winner in the East was 13 years ago. And in that span, the Cowboys have won 4, same as the Eagles, 1 more than the Giants and 2 more than the Skins. That ain't nuthin' in my book.

I get that the lack of playoff success has some down on the team but who owes you anything? Think because this franchise established themselves as one of the premier in all sports decades ago means anything today?

As fans, we can believe whatever we want but to be all down on the team before they even play a game in a league filled with disappointment and surprise every season is just satisfying the need to be unhappy, Or sewing the seeds of negative before the season begins enables some to play the crop of 'told ya so" later? Or galvanizing oneself against disappointment with lowered expectations thinking that really works?

But let me share with you my thoughts with you on this. This a game, a sport, and one that I've loved for many years. It has served as an escape from the real world and folks, that real world has never looked as bad as it does right now so I will be damned if I am going to make myself unhappy projecting failure forward when I don't even know the final makeup of the team. If I am positive and it goes south, what have I lost? If I am negative and it turns out so, what have I gained? If I am negative and it turns out positive, what have I lost? I choose some positivity right now because I do not know what will happen once fall gets here but at least I will not have wasted time and invited negative energy onto myself.

Don't misread this into criticism of posters in a negative mood about this season, you have that right and whether you are negative or positive, we are all correct right now. But if I felt as down as some I am reading here, I would have already been gone.

Correct !!

Offseason, draft, training camp and preseason all a time for optimistic outlook. Reality doesn’t begin until after Labor Day.

 

[CouchCoach]

So, you believe it was Stephens final decision on Hardy and risk in draft like Gregory and Jaylon?

Until Jerry officially relinquishes control he’s going to recieve the brunt of the criticism while enjoying the success. It goes both ways.

At least I’d agree that the better decisions being made is from greater influence Jerry’s recieving which has always been the case. But I seriously doubt the bigger decisions are being made without Jerry’s blessing.

I don't think anything happens without his approval. Remember back several seasons ago when some were seeing the changing of the guard? Well, Booger must have seen that too because he was front and center HMFIC in two shakes. The only time he hasn't been was when he was going through that stripper situation.

What has anyone seen in his past in the wildcatter biz to his "jox to sox" coming in as the owner/GM to make them even think for a moment that as long as this man is in good health he is the owner and decision maker of the Cowboys. Why would he even think of backing off?

The only thing that has changed about Booger is his circle of influence because he's smart enough to know he doesn't know it all. He's made mistakes and the odds are he was listening to some bad advice then. He will never back down or off until he has attained that which eludes him, football man. Others can give him credit for those 3 rings and he even plays with that but he knows and the local media will not let him forget, those were Jimmy's rings, he wants his own, his way. But that way is not some wacky character like Crazy Al defiant to the end, he does listen to people he trusts and therein lies our hope for better teams.

 

[Melonfeud]

I'm a saleman by trade...so is Jerry.

Based on that, here's a little conjecture:

If there is anything I know to be true of all salesmen is that they themselves love to be sold on something. We respect and honor the craft, and when someone wields tools we ourselves use to convince us of something, we freaking love it...can't get enough of it. That, I believe, to be our salesmen-specific human nature.

So, from the above you could guess that Jerry too likes to be sold on stuff. And when someone employs enthusiasm and ardent belief in whatever their product is (such as, let's go get Bobby Carpernter...I know his father...it'll be a great story..which by the way is something else Jerry loves - a great story to adorn his franchise with) Jerry laps it up like mothers milk. That I believe to be the story of the first twenty or so years of this franchise...someone would sell him on something and being the "final word" he would buy into it and set the franchise back with stupid decisions.

Here lately we have less to worry about in that regard because he has narrowed his listening circle to Stephen and McClay. And I think that has made all the difference in the world. And make no mistake, I suspect that Garrett will be following Dez out the door if he doesn't do something spectacular in 2018. And his little dog Linehan, too!

* yer' my favorite ROCKER outta' ALL the HEAD KNOCKERS on the board!*
It's interesting, as in your words illustrate a key characteristic of mr. Jerral Wayne Jones,,,in the simple fact of being a 'wildcatter' ,,it's running 30% believing in yer' on leg work & 70% CONVINCING
yourself you know it's gonna be a gloryholeblackgold,,,,brilliant casing-liner



* back in the late 1960's and early 70's,,,it was running right around a cool 100k to punch a 5000' dry-hole,,,,


** it's over a million now,or ,,so is my understanding

 

[visionary]

Which nightmare?

Which one do you want to know about? Jerry, Stephen or Garrett ?

 

[jday]

So, you believe it was Stephens final decision on Hardy and risk in draft like Gregory and Jaylon?

Until Jerry officially relinquishes control he’s going to recieve the brunt of the criticism while enjoying the success. It goes both ways.

At least I’d agree that the better decisions being made is from greater influence Jerry’s recieving which has always been the case. But I seriously doubt the bigger decisions are being made without Jerry’s blessing.

Be honest: Had those moves paid off, would you still be bringing it up as a bad move?

 

[Bullflop]

A TV show about a sad pub waiting to closer for good?

You evidently know nothing of that series. It was a comnpelling show offering a variety of ingriguing tales. Where were you?

 

[Diehardblues]

I think it’s only natural for the criticism and skepticism to continue though when we basically still have Jethro and Son running the show despite whatever characters they’ve added to assist and influence them.

The fact the Arkansas Hillbillies( don’t take offense Coach lol) won’t relinquish control and bring in more proven front office and coaching staff is enough to hold them accountable despite any indications they might be appearing to turn the corner because they continue to make some questionable and reoccurring decisions which are still contributing factors to the lack of success on the field for their franchise.

Once they reach the Pinnacle or at least on the brink again then we can begin to crown them. Until then I believe they’re fair game to whatever criticism we dish out as long as we acknowledge the modest improvements but again what’s remained the same must also be presented.

 

[Melonfeud]

Jerry& Co. Seriously needs to
" scoop up" that Lefty L.B. Shaquem Griffin,,, that dude is gonna be a barn burner against any team he lines up against,,, trust me.

 

[Diehardblues]

Be honest: Had those moves paid off, would you still be bringing it up as a bad move?

Of course not but results matter. Taking the chances only pays off if they work.

In most franchises and probably all ,if the GM or HC took those risk and didn’t work, would have been fired.

 

[GORICO]

........feels like Groundhogs Day, the same gyrations year after year. I hate it!

Am I in a fog, am I missing us getting closer?

being a cowboy fan usually means times of cynicism (usually offseason )...but when season rolls around and the excitement generates...the cynicism usually diminishes...well..that has been my experience...well until Redball started...last year really got under my skin for some reason?

 

[GORICO]

Jerry& Co. Seriously needs to
" scoop up" that Lefty L.B. Shaquem Griffin,,, that dude is gonna be a barn burner against any team he lines up against,,, trust me.

he is a "bad" dude...having to overcompensate not only for a hand missing but his twin brother in NFL....i would never count out a dude like that

 

[CouchCoach]

Of course not but results matter. Taking the chances only pays off if they work.

In most franchises and probably all ,if the GM or HC took those risk and didn’t work, would have been fired.

Which is the exact reason Booger gave for not hiring a GM. He knows he's willing to take risks others would be fearful of their jobs, if they took them.

Booger said something very revealing about himself that I had suspected all along. He mentioned that in his wildcatter days the best wells were the ones with the highest investment and risk. He's a gambler and if you know them like I do, they're not addicted to winning, only gambling. It is the risk that is the high and the higher the risk, the higher the high if it pays off. And the gambler, true to nature, will only focus on the wins.