I've been as hard on Jason Garrett as anyone here

[DOUBLE WING]

And anyone who has conversed with me on CZ knows that.

With that said, I find it really hard to fathom that there's currently a six page thread blaming Garrett for last night. I have never thought and still don't think he's a top flight NFL coach.

However, you have to consider we went onto the road last night without our star QB and star WR. Lost one of our most diverse offensive weapons halfway through the game. Lost our best defensive player early in the game, which meant we were without two starting DE's and two starting LB's and one of the backup LB's hobbled off toward the end of the game, leaving a not-ready-for-prime time rookie in Damien Wilson to cover CJ Spiller and obviously he couldn't get the job done.

This team is up against it with injuries right now. The fact that they even got that game into OT last night has got to be considered a minor miracle. I don't know if there's any coach in the NFL, including Belichick, that could overcome the injuries we've been hit with thus far.

 

[jrumann59]

The Plus Side Wilson is a player, he will only get better. Him and Hitch will be key cogs in this defense for a long time. I can't fault the kid he made a lot of plays yesterday and he is just a rook.

 

[Daillest88]

The Plus Side Wilson is a player, he will only get better. Him and Hitch will be key cogs in this defense for a long time. I can't fault the kid he made a lot of plays yesterday and he is just a rook.

True. More mad at that bum Barry church. Seriously how many missed tackles did he have last night. Wilson gonna be a beast.

 

[Idgit]

That's why this season is so frustrating. We looked out of synch when we were relatively healthy, and then it's just been one key injury after another. You can't even get to a point where you can fairly blame anybody yet, and the hits seem to just keep coming.

 

[jrumann59]

True. More mad at that bum Barry church. Seriously how many missed tackles did he have last night. Wilson gonna be a beast.

Church is who he is, a solid guy nothing remarkable. Wilcox irks me, he comes in too hot and ends up missing, or he goes full on missile mode expecting a knock out and ends up bouncing off without wrapping. If he hit and wrapped he would be so much better.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

you have to be aggressive when you're incapable.

just like an injured animal will gnaw your finger off without thought.

we are injured but havent been aggressive. we've just laid flat down. That is 100% on JG.

Any 2 point conversion, or not having 12 men on the field and gifting 3 points would have won last night.

Is JG just picking his nose? Can he not count? Any HC should be able to watch whats going on and say "oh crap, theres 12 out there"

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think he's a top flight HC. But, my big worry is the injuries his teams have suffered. We have had a MASSIVE amount of injuries in 4 out of the 5 seasons he has coached here. The only season where we didn't have a MASSIVE amount of injuries was last season and that was only because the offense stayed healthy. The defensive still had a ton of injuries.

In the past, I would question the practice habits. But outside of Scandrick, the rest of the major injuries have all happened on the field. Dez broke his foot playing. Tony broke his clavicle playing. Dunbar hurt his knee playing. Leary hurt his groin in week 1. McClain hurt playing, same with Gregory, now Lee, Gachkar, Crawford.

I honestly don't know how one finds a solution to this. I'd like to think that it can't keep on happening, but it does.

Either way, I think last season proved he was a top flight coach. He has his weaknesses, but he also has his strengths. Maybe one day we'll stop getting these ridiculous amount of injuries.





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[GimmeTheBall!]

And anyone who has conversed with me on CZ knows that.

With that said, I find it really hard to fathom that there's currently a six page thread blaming Garrett for last night. I have never thought and still don't think he's a top flight NFL coach.

However, you have to consider we went onto the road last night without our star QB and star WR. Lost one of our most diverse offensive weapons halfway through the game. Lost our best defensive player early in the game, which meant we were without two starting DE's and two starting LB's and one of the backup LB's hobbled off toward the end of the game, leaving a not-ready-for-prime time rookie in Damien Wilson to cover CJ Spiller and obviously he couldn't get the job done.

This team is up against it with injuries right now. The fact that they even got that game into OT last night has got to be considered a minor miracle. I don't know if there's any coach in the NFL, including Belichick, that could overcome the injuries we've been hit with thus far.

.Garrett is a assistant superb coach. He do not half the fire to motivate and lead a injured and untalented team. He do not half the balls to say no to Jerra (OK, that goes for most Cowboys coaches) and he does not berate underachievers, he enables them further. Any player plays horribly and he says, he say: "He's an intelligent player with a good work ethic. He's passtionate about the game and that is why he fumbled, had 4 penalties and then pouted . . . i mean was passionate on the bench later."

Garrett has had his chance. Make his offensive coordinator or a team VP. He strictly 2nd-tier in the NFL.

 

[jrumann59]

.Garrett is a assistant superb coach. He do not half the fire to motivate and lead a injured and untalented team. He do not half the balls to say no to Jerra (OK, that goes for most Cowboys coaches) and he does not berate underachievers, he enables them further. Any player plays horribly and he says, he say: "He's an intelligent player with a good work ethic. He's passtionate about the game and that is why he fumbled, had 4 penalties and then pouted . . . i mean was passionate on the bench later."

Garrett has had his chance. Make his offensive coordinator or a team VP. He strictly 2nd-tier in the NFL.

So because he does not publicly call players out he is a bad head coach. Since we have no clue what goes on behind closed doors I am assuming that is what your are basing your analysis on.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

If you are going to be a "walk around coach"....you better have some presence! You better not have your starting RB leap over a pile the very next week you told him NOT to! You better not sit there and watch 12 men on the field get called without using your timeout. You better have a better feel for WHEN it is time to open the offense up. You better stop clapping when players come of the field after kicking a 30 yard FG! The margin for error on this team is SMALL....and when we get that close to the end zone and it is 1st down. We need 7! And they need to know that getting 3 is a victory for the other team. You need to show me that you can come up with a gameplan to beat a team that Jamis Winston beat. The players do not fear him...and as a result we look like a rag tag bunch. Garrett is not a difference maker...having superior physical talents is what he desires...because that reduces how creative he has to get with his game plans. Bill Pacells or Jimmy Johnson would have lost it on this team by now and the team would have responded in kind!

 

[texbumthelife]

I am not ready to throw Garrett to the fire just yet, but he absolutely does deserve some of the blame. This team is plagued with injuries, that is a valid excuse for lack of big plays. However, this team continues to make stupid mistakes. The players and the coaches are guilty of it. That falls squarely on the shoulders of Garrett. Furthermore, we lost the last two games, not solely due to injuries, but because we did not make adjustments. Once again, that is on the head coach.

Garrett is a good X's and O's guy. He is generally good at delegation and talent evaluation. However, as far as style and systematic approach, Garrett is very vanilla. He is a line up and beat the man across from you kind of guy and that is how this team plays. That is why injuries are such a burden for this team. When we don't out-talent someone, we don't outwork or out-scheme them either. This is Garrett's biggest downfall and it is why his overall record is so mediocre. The team moving Dunbar around and attacking Breaux last night is so different than the norm, it's almost completely out of character to the point we've all been shocked. These are things, however, that other coaches are doing on a weekly basis with all their talent available.

Finally, I absolutely understand the impact the injuries have had on this roster. It is a triage unit, however one only has to look back as far as Green Bay two seasons ago to see what a well-coached team can do even when inundated with injuries. Garrett still has a chance to be a great one, but I think he need to surround himself with assistants that are a little more aggressive and scheme intensive, in order to balance out his propensity to just let them play. Marinelli will get another season because of the injuries, but I would really like to see what an aggressive defensive coordinator, someone who schemes for his players, can do with this linebacker and defensive line talent.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

So because he does not publicly call players out he is a bad head coach. Since we have no clue what goes on behind closed doors I am assuming that is what your are basing your analysis on.

yes, my shallow analysis about a coach who never say nothing negative about players who constantly underachieve. I bet he would say a lot of good things about you.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

True. More mad at that bum Barry church. Seriously how many missed tackles did he have last night. Wilson gonna be a beast.

I felt bad for Wilson on that final play. He was never even given a chance to be in the right position because they didn't adjust when the other guy got hurt.


You either have to stay down so they can substitute properly or the coaches have to call a time out here and make the change the right way.

Having Wilson have to sprint out there at the very last second and hope to line up properly and everything was just stupid.

 

[Idgit]

you have to be aggressive when you're incapable.

just like an injured animal will gnaw your finger off without thought.

we are injured but havent been aggressive. we've just laid flat down. That is 100% on JG.

Any 2 point conversion, or not having 12 men on the field and gifting 3 points would have won last night.

Is JG just picking his nose? Can he not count? Any HC should be able to watch whats going on and say "oh crap, theres 12 out there"

I think the opposite. The smart play is to keep things relatively simple for the backup QB while you can, and put it on the OL and the defense to perform at a high enough level to keep you in the game. For example, had we held onto any of the three picks last night, we'd likely have won that game. Had we run it more effectively, it might have been a comfortable win, even.

We're just not executing well enough elsewhere to win. That's on the coaching staff, too, but we're so injured that pretty much everybody has to be perfect, and we've been unable to play to that standard. But the solution isn't pretending Brandon Weeden is something other than what he is, and he is a bus driver with a huge arm and highly questionable decision making. I have no interest in watching us play QB Russian Roullette. Nor do I think Cassel at this point represents any sort of potential upgrade.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

I think the opposite. The smart play is to keep things relatively simple for the backup QB while you can, and put it on the OL and the defense to perform at a high enough level to keep you in the game. For example, had we held onto any of the three picks last night, we'd likely have won that game. Had we run it more effectively, it might have been a comfortable win, even.

We're just not executing well enough elsewhere to win. That's on the coaching staff, too, but we're so injured that pretty much everybody has to be perfect, and we've been unable to play to that standard. But the solution isn't pretending Brandon Weeden is something other than what he is, and he is a bus driver with a huge arm and highly questionable decision making. I have no interest in watching us play QB Russian Roullette. Nor do I think Cassel at this point represents any sort of potential upgrade.

if the majority of your defense is injured or suspended...you dont keep things simple and put it on them.

I'll let you slid with putting it on the OL since they shouldnt be sucking at the rate they are.

Cassel has 2 full starting seasons posting a 90+ qb rating for each season. 2008 and 2010. Weeden has 0.

 

[TimHortons]

Church is who he is, a solid guy

I'd like to disagree with you there. He missed a fairly routine tackle (he had the sideline there to help him out) on the game winning play. Church (and Wilcox) are way to inconsistent with their tackling to be considered solid. I'd say a solid (not great) safety is one that can consistently get RBs down after they break through the LBs, usually after a first down. Stop a 10 yard run from becoming 30 yards. Church and Wilcox are so inconsistent with their tackles that they don't fit that IMO. That's not even mentioning their coverage skills...

 

[jrumann59]

yes, my shallow analysis about a coach who never say nothing negative about players who constantly underachieve. I bet he would say a lot of good things about you.

Which players are underachieving, the OL, beyond that you are basically talking about role players and rookies that should not be starting but are due to injuries.

 

[TonyRomo17]

Church is who he is, a solid guy nothing remarkable. Wilcox irks me, he comes in too hot and ends up missing, or he goes full on missile mode expecting a knock out and ends up bouncing off without wrapping. If he hit and wrapped he would be so much better.

I disagree, in 2013 season despite our defense being awful he was a sure tackler as there is in the NFL, he has regressed in that regard the last 2 seasons imo

 

[CATCH17]

And anyone who has conversed with me on CZ knows that.

With that said, I find it really hard to fathom that there's currently a six page thread blaming Garrett for last night. I have never thought and still don't think he's a top flight NFL coach.

However, you have to consider we went onto the road last night without our star QB and star WR. Lost one of our most diverse offensive weapons halfway through the game. Lost our best defensive player early in the game, which meant we were without two starting DE's and two starting LB's and one of the backup LB's hobbled off toward the end of the game, leaving a not-ready-for-prime time rookie in Damien Wilson to cover CJ Spiller and obviously he couldn't get the job done.

This team is up against it with injuries right now. The fact that they even got that game into OT last night has got to be considered a minor miracle. I don't know if there's any coach in the NFL, including Belichick, that could overcome the injuries we've been hit with thus far.

Because he played overly conservative and pretty much gutless.

He does Weeden no favors by making us completely predictable offensively.

He offers us nothing special as a Coach.. Nothing.

 

[jrumann59]

I'd like to disagree with you there. He missed a fairly routine tackle (he had the sideline there to help him out) on the game winning play. Church (and Wilcox) are way to inconsistent with their tackling to be considered solid. I'd say a solid (not great) safety is one that can consistently get RBs down after they break through the LBs, usually after a first down. Stop a 10 yard run from becoming 30 yards. Church and Wilcox are so inconsistent with their tackles that they don't fit that IMO. That's not even mentioning their coverage skills...

so you are saying a solid safety makes 100% of all the plays around him. Church is a much surer tackler than the JJ "Projectile" Wilcox. As the saying "goes if you are relying on your safety to be the last line defense all the time you are in trouble."