I've decided! I want to keep our picks, to get Garrett his future players!

[theebs]

Actualy we are 20.27M under and can afford a big time WR and CB. If we go after someone like Pacman we could afford to upgrade our #2 WR and #3. We have enough money to make these moves and we could always backend some contracts. Pacman can be had fairly cheap and we have more then enough to pick up a play maker at wide out. So tell me again whats so madden about it? You realy think that Washinton won't find a way to pick up a Chad Johnson type player? They will do what they have to. The eagles and Giants are both in good positions to make some big moves in the off season. If we want a championship we have to do it and stop talking about it. I am sick of hearing this player will be good in a year or this one will be great in three years. We need impact players NOW not a year or three years from now.

Why on earth would anybody want pacman jones on there football team. He is still suspended and doesnt look to be getting reinstated anytime soon.

Why are people so eager to spend the teams money. A good draft can fill most of our needs and then we would have the cap to secure hamlin, newman, canty, and ware. Ware and newman will get deals next year, but if you can save money towards that why not do it?

What is the rush? What is the obsession with signing known players? this team has been built through the draft and hopefully will continue to be structured through the draft.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Definitely an interesting read, but it confirmed my suspicions. When it came to skill players, bust or non bust is almost directly correlated with their individual stats.

When it came to non-skill players, the requirements were that the player was in the league simply for a certain length of time. They also mention a Pro Bowl as legitimating the player, but they have many many players with no pro bowls that they qualify as non-busts.

I just don't think it's possible to qualify skill busts vs non-skill busts.

The only thing was that overall it was easier for skill position players to be labeled nonbusts that not because the criteria for their individual skills was set so low. Games played was not just this automatic thing. You had to start and be good for a long time.

Whats really convincing to me is that I cannot look at his list and say unequivocally he was wrong on anyone just based on my knowledge of the game. There were a few like Eric Metcalf who actually made the cut that i personally didnt but like i said it was so easy for WR and RB to make it.

50 catches at 14 ypc is only 700 yards. Thats mediocre at best.

 

[TheCount]

The only thing was that overall it was easier for skill position players to be labeled nonbusts that not because the criteria for their individual skills was set so low. Games played was not just this automatic thing. You had to start and be good for a long time.

Whats really convincing to me is that I cannot look at his list and say unequivocally he was wrong on anyone just based on my knowledge of the game. There were a few like Eric Metcalf who actually made the cut that i personally didnt but like i said it was so easy for WR and RB to make it.

50 catches at 14 ypc is only 700 yards. Thats mediocre at best.

Well for the skill players it looked to me like time played was the major factor, maybe I'm wrong, I might have misunderstood some of the info. You're right as far as not being able to argue much of the list, that's not even what I'm arguing.

I'm just saying that it's very difficult to compare one to the other, of course WR's will seem like they have a high bust rating. There have been plenty of QB and RB busts as well, apparently, nearly 50%, but I never hear anyone say don't take QB's in the 1st and rarely hear don't take RB in the first, yet when it comes to WR, so many people seem to think they are some kind of disaster waiting to happen in the first.

That's all I'm saying, not that the bust percentage may not be what they say it is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well for the skill players it looked to me like time played was the major factor, maybe I'm wrong, I might have misunderstood some of the info. You're right as far as not being able to argue much of the list, that's not even what I'm arguing.

I'm just saying that it's very difficult to compare one to the other, of course WR's will seem like they have a high bust rating. There have been plenty of QB and RB busts as well, apparently, nearly 50%, but I never hear anyone say don't take QB's in the 1st and rarely hear don't take RB in the first, yet when it comes to WR, so many people seem to think they are some kind of disaster waiting to happen in the first.

That's all I'm saying, not that the bust percentage may not be what they say it is.

i used to say do not do it no matter what but i've softened my stance. i kinda have to considering we need a WR and a RB this draft.

Its just not prudent to completely remove the possibility. OTOH there are certain things that you can do to temper the risk if you will.

thats why you will see a lot of people saying concentrate on CB in the first round. We need both and if equal value on both is there at 22 or 28 then you go for the CB.

Now of course if Mendenhall or Stewart but no CB falls to sue then you take that RB and you dont look back.

And whatever you do, under no circumstances do you ever ever reach for one once the CB situation is taken care of. Trade down, draft BPA, or whatever but dont reach. Recall Jimmy Johnson reaching for RB after RB in Miami or the bears recent record of futility.

 

[TheCount]

i used to say do not do it no matter what but i've softened my stance. i kinda have to considering we need a WR and a RB this draft.

Its just not prudent to completely remove the possibility. OTOH there are certain things that you can do to temper the risk if you will.

thats why you will see a lot of people saying concentrate on CB in the first round. We need both and if equal value on both is there at 22 or 28 then you go for the CB.

Now of course if Mendenhall or Stewart but no CB falls to sue then you take that RB and you dont look back.

And whatever you do, under no circumstances do you ever ever reach for one once the CB situation is taken care of. Trade down, draft BPA, or whatever but dont reach. Recall Jimmy Johnson reaching for RB after RB in Miami or the bears recent record of futility.

I agree with everything you just said, we'll see what happens come draft day. I know I'm excited.