J.Jones Vs. MB3 skill comparison

[Rampage]

bigbadroy, didnt you love the TD receptions yesterday. The defense was so geared up to stopping him on the run. Nice playcall to have him slip out for a pass.

yes i did. great playcalls,throws, and catches

 

[Hoov]

How many yards did he have? 21 yards in the first half. How many did he have in the second?

Nobody said he can't we said he benefits from a tired defense. Bucs were huffing and puffing and 75% of Barbers stats came in the second half.

21 yards on 4 carries in first half.

Jones had 15 yards on 6 carries in first half.

same defense, same half of football.

 

[Rampage]

21 yards on 4 carries in first half.

Jones had 15 yards on 6 carries in first half.

same defense, same half of football.

good point

 

[DBoys]

21 yards on 4 carries in first half.

Jones had 15 yards on 6 carries in first half.

same defense, same half of football.

While the stats are accurate our offense is different on 3rd downs and so is the defense. Barber rarely sees 8 in the box and JuJo sees it quite a bit. So I don't think you can say same defense.

 

[Hoov]

While the stats are accurate our offense is different on 3rd downs and so is the defense. Barber rarely sees 8 in the box and JuJo sees it quite a bit. So I don't think you can say same defense.

cmon man, barber was in there on 1st down too and running on 1st down. he ripped a 10 yard run on 1st down. you might be thinking 3rd down because people call him a 3rd down back.

NFL.com has the entire play by play, you can see that THIS game he was in the same positions and opportunities as Jones in the firts half and he did well. As far as other games i cant say because i havent looked it up.

I dont know why you get defensive when people give props to barber ???

 

[DBoys]

No sense in rehashing this debate neway we just agree to disagree.

 

[Hoov]

No sense in rehashing this debate neway we just agree to disagree.

OK. But just for the record, i"ll say one more thing....I love me some M barber

 

[DBoys]

cmon man, barber was in there on 1st down too and running on 1st down. he ripped a 10 yard run on 1st down. you might be thinking 3rd down because people call him a 3rd down back.

NFL.com has the entire play by play, you can see that THIS game he was in the same positions and opportunities as Jones in the firts half and he did well. As far as other games i cant say because i havent looked it up.

I dont know why you get defensive when people give props to barber ???

What defensive set did Barber face and was our offense spread? And when was he touched on that 10 yarder? Were there 8 in the box? 21 yards in a half is nothing now the TD receptions were great.

I argue the fact that some fans want to say that Barber is better than Julius and at no point have I been defensive. We have been discussing this and we just don't agree.

 

[Hoov]

What defensive set did Barber face and was our offense spread? And when was he touched on that 10 yarder? Were there 8 in the box? 21 yards in a half is nothing now the TD receptions were great.

I argue the fact that some fans want to say that Barber is better than Julius and at no point have I been defensive. We have been discussing this and we just don't agree.

I dont know what the defensive set was, but he played on more than just 3rd down. I dont really know that Jjones faces as many 8 man fronts as you like to think. That would suugest that TO, Witten and TGlenn are all 3 in single coverage.

21 yards on 4 carries is something. Im not crazed about 21 yards in a half, its just that people say he cant play well unless the defnse is beated down firts by Jones, and it looks like that may not be true.

 

[ghettogandhi]

Taken from another forum posted by ganxta_sixxty_foe:

The way I see it:

J.Jones and MB3 are two very different types of backs...

J.Jones -

1. Does not have a very high level of break away speed, but on the other hand has a very very quick step/ acceleration

2. Has nifty, break your ankle in three places types of moves (that's more appropriate for the defensive secondary, NOT...I repeat NOT for the backfield)

3. Lacks the brute strength to bowl defenders over

4. Not as good a blocker as MB3

5. Not as good as MB3 at catching passes in the backfield

6. Poses a threat to hit the home run on any given play or down

7. Has a nose for the endzone in the redzone (just not as big as that of MB3)

Bottomline: J.Jones while lacking the grit to break the first tackle (in the backfield) has the talent and ability to make 2nd, 3rd, to the last defender reach for him and grab a handful of air.

MB3 -

1. Lacks a very high break away speed just like J.Jones, while also lacking in the quick acceleration department

2. Has nifty, break your ankle in two places types of moves (that's more appropriate for the backfield, moves which can also work for the rest of the opposing defenders)

3. Has more than enough brute strength to bowl defenders over like a human Mack truck

4. Blocks better than J.Jones

5. Catches passes way better than J.Jones out of the backfield

6. Doesn't pose the same amount of threat that J.Jones poses to defenses with regards to being able to hit the home run on any given play or down

7. Has a pinokio sized nose for the endzone in the redzone

Bottomline: Is more of an efficient smashmouth style back...whom while not posing any significant home run hitting threats, can and will make defenders pay every time they come in contact with him

Note: J.Jones can and will become a more effective back with the help of a lead blocker (to handle the first defender?whom he usually has trouble breaking away from)

this is the most accurate, complete analysis I have seen posted on these two-

both lack shakeability but both are very reliable at what they do-

J Jones is more effective when he has a lead blocker- the 2 weeks that the lb was the fullback he was very effective-

GREAT ANALYSIS-

Running back is the skill position preventing this team from being the best in the league- our backs are solid to good - not very good or great-

 

[DBoys]

I dont really know that Jjones faces as many 8 man fronts as you like to think. That would suugest that TO, Witten and TGlenn are all 3 in single coverage.

It would be nice if we ran 3 WR sets with Jones in the backfield more often

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I read these running back debates and I leave with my head shaking. This is not the QB where both players are not going to get carries each and every game.

As it stands right now Jones is getting about 19 carries a game and Barber is getting 9. It really seems to me that people just want to turn Barber into Emmitt and have him run 25+ a game.

Fact of the matter is that Jones has ran the ball 2 times as much as Jones and heading into final third of the season it was good to see Julius get a blow. This still does not change the fact that we are ranked FOURTH in the league in rushing yards. It is rushing yards, not yards per carry that correlate with winning.

Why do people think its a great idea to change a system that is running very very well? I think a lot of people think its a good idea to have their carries reversed but you give Barber 20+ carries a game and all of a sudden his effectiveness is going to deteriorate very quickly.

Jones is a threat to take it to the house every times he touches it and his running style is a bit more conducive to longevity as he doesnt take the pounding (esp in the red zone) that Barber takes. And these lies about 4.5 speed from Julius just need to stop. Barber is the best goalline back we have as he can pound it for an extra two yards and his overall route running is better.

Bottomline: if it is not broken then why try to fix it?

 

[ZenItRam]

I read these running back debates and I leave with my head shaking. This is not the QB where both players are not going to get carries each and every game.

As it stands right now Jones is getting about 19 carries a game and Barber is getting 9. It really seems to me that people just want to turn Barber into Emmitt and have him run 25+ a game.

Fact of the matter is that Jones has ran the ball 2 times as much as Jones and heading into final third of the season it was good to see Julius get a blow. This still does not change the fact that we are ranked FOURTH in the league in rushing yards. It is rushing yards, not yards per carry that correlate with winning.

Why do people think its a great idea to change a system that is running very very well? I think a lot of people think its a good idea to have their carries reversed but you give Barber 20+ carries a game and all of a sudden his effectiveness is going to deteriorate very quickly.

Jones is a threat to take it to the house every times he touches it and his running style is a bit more conducive to longevity as he doesnt take the pounding (esp in the red zone) that Barber takes. And these lies about 4.5 speed from Julius just need to stop. Barber is the best goalline back we have as he can pound it for an extra two yards and his overall route running is better.

Bottomline: if it is not broken then why try to fix it?

sense in this insanity. thank you.

Leave our effective running game alone, people!!:bang2:

 

[big dog cowboy]

T. Dorsett vs. H. Walker all over again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

T. Dorsett vs. H. Walker all over again.

Except those two guys didnt play well on the same team. Our guys do.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Taken from another forum posted by ganxta_sixxty_foe:

The way I see it:

J.Jones and MB3 are two very different types of backs...

J.Jones -

1. Does not have a very high level of break away speed, but on the other hand has a very very quick step/ acceleration

2. Has nifty, break your ankle in three places types of moves (that's more appropriate for the defensive secondary, NOT...I repeat NOT for the backfield)

3. Lacks the brute strength to bowl defenders over

4. Not as good a blocker as MB3

5. Not as good as MB3 at catching passes in the backfield

6. Poses a threat to hit the home run on any given play or down

7. Has a nose for the endzone in the redzone (just not as big as that of MB3)

Bottomline: J.Jones while lacking the grit to break the first tackle (in the backfield) has the talent and ability to make 2nd, 3rd, to the last defender reach for him and grab a handful of air.

MB3 -

1. Lacks a very high break away speed just like J.Jones, while also lacking in the quick acceleration department

2. Has nifty, break your ankle in two places types of moves (that's more appropriate for the backfield, moves which can also work for the rest of the opposing defenders)

3. Has more than enough brute strength to bowl defenders over like a human Mack truck

4. Blocks better than J.Jones

5. Catches passes way better than J.Jones out of the backfield

6. Doesn't pose the same amount of threat that J.Jones poses to defenses with regards to being able to hit the home run on any given play or down

7. Has a pinokio sized nose for the endzone in the redzone

Bottomline: Is more of an efficient smashmouth style back...whom while not posing any significant home run hitting threats, can and will make defenders pay every time they come in contact with him

Note: J.Jones can and will become a more effective back with the help of a lead blocker (to handle the first defender?whom he usually has trouble breaking away from)

I will agree with your assessment for the most part although I would give Jones a 'little' more props.

However it is always dangerous to post this without getting that Jones this, Barber that.... All I have to say is these two backs compliment each other really really well, and the way they are used should not change one bit.

It looks like Jones and Barber have no problems with the way it is, and it shows that whenever the camera goes to them on sideline after a big play.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Except those two guys didnt play well on the same team. Our guys do.

1986 and 1987.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

1986 and 1987.

I know that they played on the same teams but they didnt pay well together. In 1986, the basically split the carries but in 87 Dorsett took a big dump and average less thatn 3.5 a carry. He was unhappy the whole time and he prob sucked on purpose.