J.Reeves... not surpised by cowboys drop off

[tyke1doe]

Ya ever see a woman with a low cut blouse get ticked off because one of us guy types takes a look? (like Sarge or Yeager...because I'm way too sophisticated to do such a thing)

Same thing with the Cowboys. If ya don't want the attention, then don't take a high profile.

You know what I hate even more (well, not hate)? Women who have writing on their T-shirts, especially long sentences.

So you want me to read the T-shirt and then question me looking at you?

Sorry, for the digression.

 

[Apollo Creed]

There are obviously problems with our team, we don't need Reeves to tell us.

I don't think our guys on offense or defense know who the head coach is. Thats the biggest problem. Any coach with testicular fortitude doesn't allow all this politicing, lobbying, and *****ing to go on.

I'm not on the pro-Wade or pro-RJ band-wagon, I just know we need someone the players respect. And I don't think either one of these guys are the answer.

So, one side of me cheers for us to fall apart so we can bring in a real head coach like Shanahahananahanaahan or Holmfries. Then the other side, wants us to do well, but if we go 10-6, win one playoff game, and fall apart again - I know Jerry will stay the course with Wade.

This team needs higher goals than just winning a playoff game, because I've never seen a more complacent team. Once they reach that goal of winning one, they will start to act like the 11-2 2007 team that just beat the Packers. Everybody had an opinion, and was talking like we had won the Super Bowl. Thats what I'm scared of. These guys love reading their own clippings...

 

[Juke99]

I wonder why he didnt mention BEFORE the season started?

Uh...because the reporter asked him AFTER the season when it became a news story that the Cowboys, the pre season favorite to compete in the Super Bowl came apart at the seams?

Because maybe, in spite of the fact that these problems existed, some people thought that the Cowboys could overcome the problems?

 

[Juke99]

You know what I hate even more (well, not hate)? Women who have writing on their T-shirts, especially long sentences.

So you want me to read the T-shirt and then question me looking at you?

Sorry, for the digression.

Well, it's all according to how close ya get to do the reading.

 

[Doomsay]

Good post. I will take it one step further and add that people coming out and trying to twist these innocuous comments into something thats pointed at coaches or management is that much more of a joke.

By the same token, people that ignore the non-specific import of his message (team chemistry sucked), or discount his message because he wasn't a pro-bowler, are similarly delusional. He clearly is attenuating his words in deference to former teammates and his hometown in general. Something that lends more credence to his statements, not less.

 

[GoBoys41]

He was supremely vague in his comments. This is a waste of time.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Hello?

Just looking for insights.

None of us is in the lockerroom.

What has his playing ability got to do with his ability to communicate what happened behind closed doors and within the organization? With that kind of thinking, the only guys we'd pay attention to are the star players...how probably have the most warped perspective of all.

What I'm saying is, I'm not taking his word as gospel but I'm also not going to knee jerk hammer the guy simply because he speaks his mind. I'll take his words into consideration with the words of others and try to form an opinion about a situation that none of us has much of an insight into.

Yeah, but his insight is as about as credible as what existing players, such as Spears and Julius Jones said, when they said things about BP "holding" them back after he left the team.

Players have a tendency to make themselves look better than they are or make things known after the fact when things aren't holding them back (like saying things that may cause negative repercussions at their current place of employment). It's easy to say something when it hasn't occurred (in the case of Spears or Julius), or when it has already occurred (in the case of Reeves) for those reasons.

You're perfectly welcome to take his words into account, but they mean nothing to me considering he was cut from a 13-3 team, and implied their downfall was based on a lack of chemistry, effectively the same one that led them to the that 13-3 record on the team he played on.

 

[STSINAZ]

he sucks

 

[khiladi]

Canty said TO wasn't a problem and he'd have him on the Giants any day... But I guess people 'missed' that 'important thing to say'...

 

[Mash]

Canty said TO wasn't a problem and he'd have him on the Giants any day... But I guess people 'missed' that 'important thing to say'...

It doesnt matter what Reeves says he is a defensive player....what does defensive players know about whats going on

 

[Juke99]

Yeah, but his insight is as about as credible as what existing players, such as Spears and Julius Jones said, when they said things about BP "holding" them back after he left the team.

Players have a tendency to make themselves look better than they are or make things known after the fact when things aren't holding them back (like saying things that may cause negative repercussions at their current place of employment). It's easy to say something when it hasn't occurred (in the case of Spears or Julius), or when it has already occurred (in the case of Reeves) for those reasons.

You're perfectly welcome to take his words into account, but they mean nothing to me considering he was cut from a 13-3 team, and implied their downfall was based on a lack of chemistry, effectively the same one that led them to the that 13-3 record on the team he played on.

Well, I'll say this much. None of us knows what goes on in that locker room. I'm saying I will take his words into consideration along with all else I've heard...bad and good.

You're choosing to simply dismiss it out of hand, which you are perfectly welcome to do. You've got no foundation to simply reject out of hand...just as I would have no foundation to accept his words as absolute truth.

I'm not here saying "AH HA! I knew it. See Reeves said it. The chemisty stinks" Too many people, imo, do the opposite...and it's just as ill advised.

 

[SultanOfSix]

You're choosing to simply dismiss it out of hand, which you are perfectly welcome to do. You've got no foundation to simply reject out of hand...just as I would have no foundation to accept his words as absolute truth.

But I do have a foundation, and I already explained why.

Perhaps if it came from someone like Barber, or Romo, or even Witten, would I consider it. But, it hasn't. And like someone else mentioned, it seems like all of those players who are talking, concerning supposedly the chemistry issues involving a former #81, are significant ones, and say the opposite concerning him, but those seem to be dismissed out of hand by those who already have a preconceived notion of him that fits their own biases.

 

[Doomsay]

Yeah, but his insight is as about as credible as what existing players, such as Spears and Julius Jones said, when they said things about BP "holding" them back after he left the team..

Problem with this analogy is that Reeves wasn't making any excuses like these two.

You're perfectly welcome to take his words into account, but they mean nothing to me considering he was cut from a 13-3 team, and implied their downfall was based on a lack of chemistry, effectively the same one that led them to the that 13-3 record on the team he played on.

Tale of two seasons. Things were certianly not the same at the end of 2007 as they were in the begining - Reeves was there, saw the trend and is telling us about it. He certainly has more credibility than any of us, especially since he isn't *****ing about anybody or running them over.

 

[theogt]

I'm not surprised Reeves went to Houston and still sucks.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Problem with this analogy is that Reeves wasn't making any excuses like these two.

Irrelevant. He still fits the profile of someone who has "sour grapes" and that was the analogy concerning negativity.

Tale of two seasons. Things were certianly not the same at the end of 2007 as they were in the begining - Reeves was there, saw the trend and is telling us about it.

I don't even know what you mean by the "same". Was there any mention of chemistry issues at the end of the season in 2007? No. Because the team was 13-3 and had the #1 seed locked up. There were concerns about the lackadaisical December play, but nothing concerning chemistry.

He certainly has more credibility than any of us, especially since he isn't *****ing about anybody or running them over.

Maybe. But, he doesn't have more credibility than other players who are better and more respected than him, who haven't said a word. But, the ones who have say the complete opposite.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

By the same token, people that ignore the non-specific import of his message (team chemistry sucked), or discount his message because he wasn't a pro-bowler, are similarly delusional. He clearly is attenuating his words in deference to former teammates and his hometown in general. Something that lends more credence to his statements, not less.

Show me the part where he talked about team chemistry? He could have been talking about Jerry Jones or the climate control system. He just said he wasn't surprised he certainly did not say much more than that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Canty said TO wasn't a problem and he'd have him on the Giants any day... But I guess people 'missed' that 'important thing to say'...

And Zach Thomas wanted to leave because he didn't like the atmosphere. Even more to the trend.

 

[khiladi]

And Zach Thomas wanted to leave because he didn't like the atmosphere. Even more to the trend.

First of all, Zach hasn't even ruled out leaving Dallas. Second, Zach Thomas wants to leave most likely because he is playing out of position, per his own words. His position is the same position Bradie James plays, and he acknowledges that he won't unseed him.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I just love when a guy who was on the inside speaks his mind and everyone hammers him rather than just taking a time out and thinking "hmmmmm...we've heard some similar comments...maybe..."

He's an x Cowboy. You new here? All ex Cowboys suck at the Zone.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

But I do have a foundation, and I already explained why.

Perhaps if it came from someone like Barber, or Romo, or even Witten, would I consider it. But, it hasn't. And like someone else mentioned, it seems like all of those players who are talking, concerning supposedly the chemistry issues involving a former #81, are significant ones, and say the opposite concerning him, but those seem to be dismissed out of hand by those who already have a preconceived notion of him that fits their own biases.

Or some people will just never get it. Some times three isn't the charm.