Jack at SLB or WLB?

[hendog]

If we were to draft Myles where would he play in base defense.

Assuming McClain mans the middle do you move Lee to the strong side and let Jack play the will or does Jack play SLB?

I'd imagine Lee and Jack would be the dime backers. Any thoughts?

 

[dbonham]

SS in the base, LB in nickel, TD on the goal line.

 

[TheFinisher]

Long term he's your Mike. Year 1 while McClains still under contract you probably plug him in at Sam in the base defense and let him and Lee be your nickel backers.

 

[texbumthelife]

I think if you draft Jack you stay in base defense far more than you normally would and zone him over the slot receiver. I would never put the kid in man-to-man versus a slot guy, but he could handle it in zone I believe. When teams aren't in nickel I think Jack and Lee split time at SAM. I wouldn't leave either there full time, because they're going to wear down and lose the explosiveness that makes them great backers.

 

[AKATheRake]

I think if you draft Jack you stay in base defense far more than you normally would and zone him over the slot receiver. I would never put the kid in man-to-man versus a slot guy, but he could handle it in zone I believe. When teams aren't in nickel I think Jack and Lee split time at SAM. I wouldn't leave either there full time, because they're going to wear down and lose the explosiveness that makes them great backers.

That's taking 1 of your 2 best players on defense off the field. Due to Jack's versatility that's why he is so highly regarded because he should stay on the field all 3 downs.

Can play the run and pass equally.

 

[AbeBeta]

Long term he's your Mike. Year 1 while McClains still under contract you probably plug him in at Sam in the base defense and let him and Lee be your nickel backers.

This is correct. I'd also add that he's a pretty good edge rusher, so we might find a few plays for him to line up and rush

 

[texbumthelife]

That's taking 1 of your 2 best players on defense off the field. Due to Jack's versatility that's why he is so highly regarded because he should stay on the field all 3 downs.

Can play the run and pass equally.

What are you talking about? They would both be on the field. On any given snap one would be at SAM and one would be at WILL (with McClain at MIKE). You would just rotate SAM to keep them fresh.

Jack may be a great athlete, but he is going to disappear if you make him fight double teams at SAM all game. Playing run from WILL and playing run from SAM are dramatically different.

 

[TheFinisher]

I think if you draft Jack you stay in base defense far more than you normally would and zone him over the slot receiver. I would never put the kid in man-to-man versus a slot guy, but he could handle it in zone I believe. When teams aren't in nickel I think Jack and Lee split time at SAM. I wouldn't leave either there full time, because they're going to wear down and lose the explosiveness that makes them great backers.

You could even sub out one of the safeties like Church for a Corner and keep all 3 LBs on the field because Jack can act as your pseudo SS in Nickel while still fielding your traditional 4-3 front 7 personnel

 

[AbeBeta]

What are you talking about? They would both be on the field. On any given snap one would be at SAM and one would be at WILL (with McClain at MIKE). You would just rotate SAM to keep them fresh.

Jack may be a great athlete, but he is going to disappear if you make him fight double teams at SAM all game. Playing run from WILL and playing run from SAM are dramatically different.

So you are telling me with Ro and Lee on the field, offenses last year doubled Wilber or Hitch? Makes no sense

 

[Jake0]

You could even sub out one of the safeties like Church for a Corner and keep all 3 LBs on the field because Jack can act as your pseudo SS in Nickel while still fielding your traditional 4-3 front 7 personnel

Awesome idea, if only we had a corner that was worth bringing in in that situation. Championship.

 

[AKATheRake]

What are you talking about? They would both be on the field. On any given snap one would be at SAM and one would be at WILL (with McClain at MIKE). You would just rotate SAM to keep them fresh.

Jack may be a great athlete, but he is going to disappear if you make him fight double teams at SAM all game. Playing run from WILL and playing run from SAM are dramatically different.

I think I misunderstood what your original post was getting at.

My point is there's no reason why Sean Lee and Myles Jack cannot be playing at the same time on all 3 downs because of their ability to cover as a LB.

Whether you switch them both at SAM or WILL for one another. Hitchens is obviously involved in the rotation and McClain would probably come out on obvious 3rd and long passing downs. Jack could be utilized as a 3rd safety as well.

1 of the reason's he's being considered so highly is because he is so versatile and can be utilized in just about any package on all downs. At 20 years old he's 6'1" 245 lbs so he's not a small LB by any means. Just really freakishly athletic at that size and very game smart.

 

[casmith07]

Safety.

 

[Chuck 54]

1. We won't draft him

2. If we did draft him, once he adjusted to the game and was clearly one of the best two LBs on the team, he goes to the Will and Lee moves back to MLB. McClain goes back to his couch.

Jack is no MLB....he doesn't get off blocks, and he's not a thumper, more of a wrap up and hang on tackler. He's a speed guy and it would be silly to try and make him work inside.

A. Ramsey
B. Bosa
C. Trade down

 

[texbumthelife]

So you are telling me with Ro and Lee on the field, offenses last year doubled Wilber or Hitch? Makes no sense

The SAM has to take on the TE and the OT very frequently when runs go his way. It makes complete sense.

 

[AbeBeta]

The SAM has to take on the TE and the OT very frequently when runs go his way. It makes complete sense.

Most teams run about as many plays left as they do right.

You are telling me that when teams run left, they don't bother to double the WILL?

 

[texbumthelife]

Most teams run about as many plays left as they do right.

You are telling me that when teams run left, they don't bother to double the WILL?

We are talking weak side (WILL) versus strong side (SAM), not left versus right. Teams run significantly more to their strong side in base sets, otherwise, there is no point in running out of your base set.

The NFL isn't Madden, where left is always the weak side and LB's don't flip. The linebackers wait for the offense to line up and Lee goes away from the strong side most of the time (regardless of it being left or right). Many times teams flip their weak/strong side based on down/distance and which hash they're on.

You do understand the designations WILL, MIKE and SAM, right? I am not trying to be snarky. It's a genuine question.

 

[AbeBeta]

We are talking weak side (WILL) versus strong side (SAM), not left versus right. Teams run significantly more to their strong side in base sets, otherwise, there is no point in running out of your base set.

The NFL isn't Madden, where left is always the weak side and LB's don't flip. The linebackers wait for the offense to line up and Lee goes away from the strong side most of the time (regardless of it being left or right). Many times teams flip their weak/strong side based on down/distance and which hash they're on.

You do understand the designations WILL, MIKE and SAM, right? I am not trying to be snarky. It's a genuine question.

I fully understand the distinctions. The fact is that teams are far more likely to scheme to get an extra man on Lee because he's so disruptive. You work that scheme and who does the guy come off? He's coming off the SAM

 

[Sydla]

You could even sub out one of the safeties like Church for a Corner and keep all 3 LBs on the field because Jack can act as your pseudo SS in Nickel while still fielding your traditional 4-3 front 7 personnel

Just out of curiousity, how many NFL LBs can play a SS in a nickel situation and be able to cover the slot?

It's one thing for Jack to be able to cover the slot WR in college, it's an entirely different thing to ask him to cover a NFL slot WR.

 

[texbumthelife]

I fully understand the distinctions. The fact is that teams are far more likely to scheme to get an extra man on Lee because he's so disruptive. You work that scheme and who does the guy come off? He's coming off the SAM

I could sit here and list schemes to combat how defenses line up all day, but the offense and defense still have to have a base formation. The base formation of the offense still dictates where players line up in the defense's base formation. The SAM is called as much because he lines up on the strong side of the formation. It is called the strong side because there is an extra blocker. The extra blocker is often used to initially double team and seal the linebacker, and then one of those blockers moves to the next level. Hence, the backer playing the strong side is far more likely to see double teams more often than the WILL.

The fact of the matter is, if Lee is so disruptive from the WILL, teams are even more likely to run to the strong side leading to even more doubling down on the SAM. That is one of the reasons Lee makes so many great chase down plays.

The reduced amount of double teams and blocks is precisely why they moved him to WILL, in order to take some of the wear and tear off of his body, further illustrating my point.

Also, I didn't say the SAM is the only one who will see double teams, just that he is more likely to see them more frequently.

 

[texbumthelife]

I think I misunderstood what your original post was getting at.

My point is there's no reason why Sean Lee and Myles Jack cannot be playing at the same time on all 3 downs because of their ability to cover as a LB.

Whether you switch them both at SAM or WILL for one another. Hitchens is obviously involved in the rotation and McClain would probably come out on obvious 3rd and long passing downs. Jack could be utilized as a 3rd safety as well.

1 of the reason's he's being considered so highly is because he is so versatile and can be utilized in just about any package on all downs. At 20 years old he's 6'1" 245 lbs so he's not a small LB by any means. Just really freakishly athletic at that size and very game smart.

The entire point of my post was they could both play all three downs. I simply said I would rotate them at SAM so neither is fighting that strong side the whole game as it's more prone to wear a guy down. When I said rotate them at SAM, I meant one plays SAM and the other plays WILL, then switch them.